A Reader Writes to Andrew Sullivan

[AlienLanes82]

From AndrewSullivan.com:

A reader writes:

Andrew, I'm going to hurl if you don't get off this Ron Paul bandwagon. Aside from the fact he's a whackjob on economic issues, and hopelessly naiive on foreign policy, he is surrounded by really serious hate groups. Visit David Dukes site or the Stormfront site and note the RP columns and endorsements. This isn't some innocent eccentric Congressman riding a popular wave, it is tapping into a very sinister side of the US electorate.

Try to engage the Paulistas on any subject and within 5 minutes they are talking about international bankers, the Trilateral Commission and the CFR. And if you encourage them just a little they'll be talking about the Jews and their control of the US government, and before you know it they're off to the races. Freemasons, Illuminati, the guy on the grassy knoll…..its all there.

I fear you are letting Paul's (ignorant and unreasoned) opposition to the war make you a cheerleader based on the "my enemy's enemy is my friend" theory. He is not your friend, not a friend of this country.

 

[0zzy]

I don't.

Though many activist on this forum does.

Guys:
No more conspiracy theories, anti-Semite, etc.
No more cussing and name calling, especially at journalist.

When you want to debate with someone, just use facts. There's nothing else you can do. Say why you support him, say the facts. No name calling, no cussing, be proper.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I'd like that person's address

 

[constituent]

what a maroon.

i'd like that reader to come engage any number of folks around here for five minutes... that'd be a blast!

 

[Mark Rushmore]

No more conspiracy theories... just use facts.

Do you have a link to the site that lists what's a conspiracy and what's a fact?

 

[AlienLanes82]

I thought it might be a good thing to post to show how some people perceive us.

 

[constituent]

I thought it might be a good thing to post to show how some people perceive us.

i think we're all aware of that perception... what it seems like you're attempting to do (on your what, 9th post?) is stir up the s*pot.

furthermore, i get a funny feeling that you know that (what, with so precious little time).

 

[Shink]

Blissful ignorance.

 

[thegearbox]

So what is the CFR then? A bunch of libertatians? Come on, people who choose to ignore these things that are going on behind the scenes are just dillusional. It is real, it is happening, and people just choose to ignore it. One only has to look up things like "CFR" and the Federal Reserve to know better.

 

[V4Vendetta]

I'd like that person's address

So would I

 

[murrayrothbard]

So what is the CFR then? A bunch of libertatians? Come on, people who choose to ignore these things that are going on behind the scenes are just dillusional. It is real, it is happening, and people just choose to ignore it. One only has to look up things like "CFR" and the Federal Reserve to know better.

No shit. It's not like the CFR is some made up thing. Damn, they have a website. Go read it. And yes, there really is a FED. Yes, it is a really BAD thing. It doesn't even require some elaborate conspiracy. Look at what it does. Study it. It is a horrible institution. Whether or not it was setup on purpose for nefarious ends is irrelevant.

 

[constituent]

I'd like that person's address

I think this individual registering as a forum member and identifying his or herself would suffice.

 

[adpierce]

The guy writing to Andrew Sullivan is promoting a stereotype of the typical Ron Paul supporter. He hasn't accurately described me. However he points out what I like to think of as a somewhat accurate stereotype. We use stereotypes to some degree or another. All stereotypes are generalizations... and if they're a good generalization they're useful for referring to a group of people as something or other. You marginalize the individual, like me in this example, but people do it. I do unfortunately think the letter here isn't a bad generalization. Sad but true. Lots of RP supporters are conspiracy theorists. The demographic needs to change for Ron Paul to get elected. Most people don't believe in conspiracies, and please don't help this stereotype along if you even remotely fit into this stereotype mentioned in this letter. We want as little things getting in the way of people supporting Ron Paul as possible. His ideas are controversial enough on their own. They require a paradigm shift in an of themselves, if people are thinking his supporters are whack jobs that's not helping Dr. Paul whatsoever.

 

[angelatc]

Andrew Sullivan is one of us. He's just making a point about how other people can see us.

Waking up is hard to do.

 

[moonbat]

Do you have a link to the site that lists what's a conspiracy and what's a fact?

Yes please, I would like to have that list as well.

 

[Mr. White]

Andrew Sullivan is one of us. He's just making a point about how other people can see us.

Waking up is hard to do.

For both sides. A number of us come across as extremely contemptuous of those that don't agree with us immediately. That's not how you get an ear, it's how you get a door closed. Some say that we don't need that kind of person, I disagree. I'd prefer someone else's inability to behave politely NOT close a door before I even get there.

Not condemning anyone, just pointing out a trend I see on these boards to react with great animosity towards anyone and everyone who doesn't buy into everything we do. Whether they are worthy of your contempt is irrelevant. Their vote still counts as much as yours.

 

[Mark Rushmore]

As usual, the way to correct other's misconceptions and silence one's detractors is not to fret over and pander to them, but rather to stodgily trudge on down the path of simple truth. Whatever the outcome of this election, Ron Paul's groundswell of support should reinforce that much.

 

[thegearbox]

Ignoring the fact is what got us into this mess. A few years ago it would have been ludicris to say that we would have a national ID card, and that we would be pursueing a borderless nation, and yet here we are. One would also call it crazy to say that the U.S. empowered Fidel, Sadam, and the regime in Iran, but thats all fact. One would call it crazy that we passed all of our money on to the Federal Reserve, but that's the truth. One would be crazy ti think thats all the mass media outlets are bought out, but that also is documented truth. One might be crazy to think that we could hold people with out a trial, but look at Guantanamo Bay. Heck, even a few years ago, we would call it crazy to think that the Government would pass an act giving them the right to spy on every bit of our lives without just cause. This is all truth, this is all fact. People ignore it because they think, "oh no, not this country". All I can say is that if we ignore this any longer then there will be nothing left of us.

 

[Mark Rushmore]

Ignoring the fact is what got us into this mess. A few years ago it would have been ludicris to say that we would have a national ID card, and that we would be pursueing a borderless nation, and yet here we are. One would also call it crazy to say that the U.S. empowered Fidel, Sadam, and the regime in Iran, but thats all fact. One would call it crazy that we passed all of our money on to the Federal Reserve, but that's the truth. One would be crazy ti think thats all the mass media outlets are bought out, but that also is documented truth. One might be crazy to think that we could hold people with out a trial, but look at Guantanamo Bay. Heck, even a few years ago, we would call it crazy to think that the Government would pass an act giving them the right to spy on every bit of our lives without just cause. This is all truth, this is all fact. People ignore it because they think, "oh no, not this country". All I can say is that if we ignore this any longer then there will be nothing left of us.

Good post.

 

[angelatc]

For both sides. A number of us come across as extremely contemptuous of those that don't agree with us immediately. That's not how you get an ear, it's how you get a door closed. Some say that we don't need that kind of person, I disagree. I'd prefer someone else's inability to behave politely NOT close a door before I even get there.

Not condemning anyone, just pointing out a trend I see on these boards to react with great animosity towards anyone and everyone who doesn't buy into everything we do. Whether they are worthy of your contempt is irrelevant. Their vote still counts as much as yours.

I think it's a brilliant post on Sullivan's blog. He's pointing out that some of us are right, some of us are a little nuts, and the source of the letter is a neo-con war monger anyway.