A Progressive wakes up to the folly of Obamacare

[juleswin]

Sadly the only waking up liberals are having is that they should double down and give govt even more control of healthcare. Read liberal forums and see them asking for medicare for all

 

[oyarde]

Sadly the only waking up liberals are having is that they should double down and give govt even more control of healthcare. Read liberal forums and see them asking for medicare for all

I have no doubt you are correct , but I cannot submit myself to reading lib forums ....

 

[MRK]

I was watching a different video here where he is basically saying that healthcare is "not a free market." By that he means its naturally not a free market because of its nature, not that its not a free market because of legislation.

He makes a good point though at the end of that video when he says that "If I have a monopoly on a cancer wonder drug, and I can charge anything I want for it, that's obviously not a free market, and will lead to the kind of abuses..."

The only reason I point this out, and this obviously isn't what he meant, but I'd like to just point out the importance of understanding the failures of IP. IP creates that monopoly, which leads to abuses, which leads to legislation, which leads to more abuses, which leads to more legislation, which leads to socialized medicine.

You can try to make the argument that without IP noone would invest in a cure for cancer. To that I have two things to say: I'd rather be free and have no cure for cancer, than to be a slave with a cure for cancer. Second, with IP, noone is making cures anyway, because there is no money in cures. The money is in treatment.

So.. basically, fuck IP.

As far as I understand, there is no law against you getting the precursors and equipment necessary to synthesize that chemical and create it yourself. As long as you don't sell the product to anyone, or give the product to anyone for that matter to be intended for consumption, you should be ok.

 

[MRK]

I have no doubt you are correct , but I cannot submit myself to reading lib forums ....

Really there is no harm in reading forums outside of our echo chamber. Except of course, aggravation and headaches. I sympathize. But it can be constructive.

 

[BAllen]

I was watching a different video here where he is basically saying that healthcare is "not a free market." By that he means its naturally not a free market because of its nature, not that its not a free market because of legislation.

He makes a good point though at the end of that video when he says that "If I have a monopoly on a cancer wonder drug, and I can charge anything I want for it, that's obviously not a free market, and will lead to the kind of abuses..."

The only reason I point this out, and this obviously isn't what he meant, but I'd like to just point out the importance of understanding the failures of IP. IP creates that monopoly, which leads to abuses, which leads to legislation, which leads to more abuses, which leads to more legislation, which leads to socialized medicine.

You can try to make the argument that without IP noone would invest in a cure for cancer. To that I have two things to say: I'd rather be free and have no cure for cancer, than to be a slave with a cure for cancer. Second, with IP, noone is making cures anyway, because there is no money in cures. The money is in treatment.

So.. basically, fuck IP.

What does an Internet Provider have to do with it?

 

[ronaldo23]

has anyone read the full Steven Brill article? What do you guys think of his conclusions...while he does an excellent job of exposing the fraud of non-profit hospitals and how they are contributing to out of control costs, he has an immense amount of faith in medicare being better than private insurance.

 

[spladle]

has anyone read the full Steven Brill article? What do you guys think of his conclusions...while he does an excellent job of exposing the fraud of non-profit hospitals and how they are contributing to out of control costs, he has an immense amount of faith in medicare being better than private insurance.

I read the article but wish I hadn't. The labels change, but the ideas stay the same. Communists gonna have faith in communism, no matter how many times it fails, because it's more than just an idea - it's a religion. You don't see theists renounce God when their prayers aren't answered, do you? People find ways to make excuses for their deity.

 

[Rothbardian Girl]

What does an Internet Provider have to do with it?

IP = intellectual property.

 

[WarAnonymous]

You guys just hate poor people! Obamacare is the answer, it's free healthcare for everyone. Why are you all hating? I got a phone, I got healthcare and I got an EBT card to spend at the strip club. Haters gonna hate.

 

[Peace Piper]

I have no doubt you are correct , but I cannot submit myself to reading lib forums ....

If you treat it like an anthropological experiment- to document and record the behavior of primitives - it can be quite funny.

If you haven't seen this forum, it was built around that, and it's hilarious.

The DUmpster at the conservative cave.com©

http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=d2e425eddd22d7158ae42124c6ef4b5f&board=10.0

 

[Constitutional Paulicy]

has anyone read the full Steven Brill article? What do you guys think of his conclusions...while he does an excellent job of exposing the fraud of non-profit hospitals and how they are contributing to out of control costs, he has an immense amount of faith in medicare being better than private insurance.

For those who aren't subscribers at the link provided in the OP. Here is a PDF if your interested....

http://livingwithmcl.com/BitterPill.pdf

 

[ronaldo23]

For those who aren't subscribers at the link provided in the OP. Here is a PDF if your interested....

http://livingwithmcl.com/BitterPill.pdf

bump...very interested to see on how people view brills ideas in the article