A plea to my fellow lovers of liberty

[Bastiat's The Law]

Do whatever you want, but don't try to dissuade others from continuing the success we've had. The thread derailment is not appreciated.

Unfortunately a certain segment only want to continually dissuade and derail the movement Ron Paul started. If they had any real plan they would be working towards it, not posting defeatism on an internet forum.

 

[Shane Harris]

We have quite a few good candidates still running for office. We have to show up to vote for them.

I don't. There's no one good in PA. I have no reason to be in the GOP for at least 2 years

 

[deadfish]

So requesting those trying to derail the thread (violation of forum rules) is being rude?

Threads aren't started for argument. These people are free to voice their dissenting opinion in another thread or the vent. Carlybee has spent 2 pages telling everyone why this thread is wrong. And I'm being rude?

Yes, someone drops by and leaves 1 short comment. Instead of just letting it be at just the one comment, you accuse them of not caring about advancing liberty or worse. And so 1 comment turns into many more because you can't tolerate any other opinions on strategy other than your own. Unless I missed something, nobody said they didn't appreciate what the delegates and those involved in the GOP have accomplished.

I will get involved with the local GOP, you can bet on it. I'm good at speaking softly and convincing those delicate sheeple that they are being lead by wolves. Not everyone wants to do that.... that's ok!

 

[RickyJ]

Just remember, they struggled incredibly hard to stop us today. We have the party establishment against the wall. They will not be able to stop us next time! Do not give up. The party is in our grasp. Keep up the good fight! !

If there is still an America in 4 more years, and Ron Paul would run, I think there is a very good chance he would win despite his age. There were hints at the start of the "We are the future" rally in Tampa that Ron Paul might run again in 2016. It is a possibility.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

@Deadfish - Do you see what's posted above you? Aye. These aren't short comments. They are confrontational and posted with intent to derail the thread.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Yes, and people want to give up now?! It boggles my mind!

If there is still an America in 4 more years, and Ron Paul would run, I think there is a very good chance he would win despite his age. There were hints at the start of the "We are the future" rally in Tampa that Ron Paul might run again in 2016. It is a possibility.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

This. I've reported and requested a removal of the posts trying to derail the thread and my responding posts as well. I'd ask others to do the same.

It was made abundantly clear to me that nothing here will change until after the RNC is over and people can deal with their emotions and then see how things are. So, you're wasting your time reporting them. You're doing the right thing pushing Ron's plan to restore the GOP, so even if we lose support in the RP community we'll just have to keep working on our fellow conservative delegates using the issues we agree on to move forward if we can't depend on help from some of our own. It'll all work out. Many here are set in their ways either way and are smart enough to want their own way. It'll be easier getting grassroots conservatives to help you out than some round these parts that get a kick out of leaving the hardcore GOP restorers out to dry. It's all good.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Maybe it wasn't a good day to start this thread. In case you haven't noticed, no one is feeling much love for the GOP no matter how much y'all keep trying to force a shotgun wedding on us. If you REALLY loved liberty that should go without saying.

+rep

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

It was made abundantly clear to me that nothing here will change until after the RNC is over and people can deal with their emotions and then see how things are. So, you're wasting your time reporting them. You're doing the right thing pushing Ron's plan to restore the GOP, so even if we lose support in the RP community we'll just have to keep working on our fellow conservative delegates using the issues we agree on to move forward if we can't depend on help from some of our own. It'll all work out. Many here are set in their ways either way and are smart enough to want their own way. It'll be easier getting grassroots conservatives to help you out than some round these parts that get a kick out of leaving the hardcore GOP restorers out to dry. It's all good.

Good point. Even the Revolutionaries had their Benedict Arnold. The liberty movement will have theirs as well.

 

[Bryan]

Posts deleted. Please keep things on-topic, per thread starter. Thanks.

 

[Carlybee]

Newsflash: I am much more a fan of liberty than a fan of the GOP. I joined in 2007 specifically for Ron Paul, to urge him to run and when he did, got elected as a county delegate and have stuck by this movement since then and up until about 3 months ago. So keep calling me a troll. The campaign didn't seem to mind taking my donations and they never once called me a troll when I sent them in. So keep accusing people who have been loyal to this movement as being trolls and derailers. Sounds to me like some people can't handle anyone who tries to exercise free will. And that makes you not a lover of liberty but something else altogether.

 

[ravedown]

The GOP will carry the stink of what happened today with it for a long time. The way RP supporters we're treated in 2008 and in this primary season was unforgivable. They lead us along only to laugh at us every 4 years. Don't underestimate the youth that support the liberty movement. Times will only get worse with these two parties and the young voters have made it clear they don't give a shit about the proud GOP history or party affiliation. they want something honest, something new to rally around- and the crooked bought and paid for GOP ain't it. I cant imagine-after all that's happened proudly announce when asked what party I support, "me? Why I'm a republican!" fuck dat. Peace.

 

[Bryan]

Newsflash: I am much more a fan of liberty than a fan of the GOP. I joined in 2007 specifically for Ron Paul, to urge him to run and when he did, got elected as a county delegate and have stuck by this movement since then and up until about 3 months ago. So keep calling me a troll. The campaign didn't seem to mind taking my donations and they never once called me a troll when I sent them in. So keep accusing people who have been loyal to this movement as being trolls and derailers. Sounds to me like some people can't handle anyone who tries to exercise free will. And that makes you not a lover of liberty but something else altogether.

It doesn't matter what anyone's intent is-- just follow the forum guidelines as best possible. Thanks!

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ge-Guidelines-and-Other-Important-Information

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?32994-There-are-no-trolls-here

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Appreciate it, Bryan.

Imagine what will happen when we get Ashley Ryan in a position to run for major office. The woman we need to appeal to other women in the party.

Posts deleted. Please keep things on-topic, per thread starter. Thanks.

 

[deadfish]

@Deadfish - Do you see what's posted above you? Aye. These aren't short comments. They are confrontational and posted with intent to derail the thread.

You're not exactly using a respectful tone yourself...

meh,...not me.

The Liberty movement needs to find a new venue to avoid any confusion between us and the despots who control the Republican party.

The more avenues we allow liberty to flow through, the better. You are doing a disservice to the liberty movement by refusing to support a liberty candidate in the GOP. Just saying....

It's disheartening to see you refer to other Ron Paul supporters as doing a disserve to the liberty movement. Don't you think that is too far? Did the guy say he wouldn't support a liberty candidate in the GOP? I assume he supported Ron Paul.

 

[TheTexan]

It'll be easier getting grassroots conservatives to help you out than some round these parts that get a kick out of leaving the hardcore GOP restorers out to dry. It's all good.

I disagree with restoring the GOP, and will often make posts to that point. Usually though, I try to make my point and then leave so you guys can keep doing whatever it is you're doing.

There's no need for the hostility between the people who want to restore the GOP and the people who don't. We all want the same thing, just have different ideas of how to get there.

That's part of what we're fighting for. Freedom. That means people don't always disagree. So the divisive hostility and passive aggressive stuff really has no place towards anyone fighting for liberty.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Abandoning liberty candidates and the fight they put up simply because it's within the GOP is, in my opinion, a disservice to liberty. Liberty is not exclusive to any specific avenue. To infer otherwise is nonsensical. Also, keep in mind I am not throwing personal insults. I believe the decision is a poor one, but that's a far cry from being disrespectful.

You're not exactly using a respectful tone yourself...





It's disheartening to see you refer to other Ron Paul supporters as doing a disserve to the liberty movement. Don't you think that is too far? Did the guy say he wouldn't support a liberty candidate in the GOP? I assume he supported Ron Paul.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

You say divisiveness has no place, yet your first post in this thread was "He's just saying this so he can shove GJ down your throat." If you want to go off topic, you can take it to the vent. The admin already came in the thread once.

I disagree with restoring the GOP, and will often make posts to that point. Usually though, I try to make my point and then leave so you guys can keep doing whatever it is you're doing.

There's no need for the hostility between the people who want to restore the GOP and the people who don't. We all want the same thing, just have different ideas of how to get there.

That's part of what we're fighting for. Freedom. That means people don't always disagree. So the divisive hostility and passive aggressive stuff really has no place towards anyone fighting for liberty.

 

[Carlybee]

It doesn't matter what anyone's intent is-- just follow the forum guidelines as best possible. Thanks!

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ge-Guidelines-and-Other-Important-Information

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?32994-There-are-no-trolls-here

With all due respect, there is no responding to these threads. If one dissents from what the OP wants to hear then one is accused of derailing or being a troll and it de-escalates from there. I have to wonder if there is some prejudice going on here. But I will bow out.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

I disagree with restoring the GOP, and will often make posts to that point. Usually though, I try to make my point and then leave so you guys can keep doing whatever it is you're doing.

There's no need for the hostility between the people who want to restore the GOP and the people who don't. We all want the same thing, just have different ideas of how to get there.

That's part of what we're fighting for. Freedom. That means people don't always disagree. So the divisive hostility and passive aggressive stuff really has no place towards anyone fighting for liberty.

The people that don't wish to restore the GOP like Ron Paul envisioned shouldn't continuously attack those that believe Ron's plan is working. They should do something positive instead of attacking with negativity every thread. Do something positive, run for office in a third party or donate your time and money to one instead of tearing down the positive activism of others.