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Environment: A Plea To Fellow RP Supporters
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Yeah, Ron said hoax in that instance (around the 7 minute mark). I have to disagree with Ron on that. "Hoax" sounds too much like a harmless joke. I would prefer to call it fraud, as "cap and trade" was a fraudulent scam to rip off people. Just a slight matter of semantics.
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Yeah, Ron said hoax in that instance (around the 7 minute mark). I have to disagree with Ron on that. "Hoax" sounds too much like a harmless joke. I would prefer to call it fraud, as "cap and trade" was a fraudulent scam to rip off people. Just a slight matter of semantics.
Agreed. I do believe it was a fraudulent scam as well and I also believe we are closer to a pole shift and perhaps a coming ice age than we are to burning up.
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My issue with climate change is, real or not, it is a diversion. GMO's are a much bigger risk to our society than climate change. They are assumed safe and no tests have been done. They are taking over the traditional crops accidentally through cross pollination. GMO crops include vegetables with "built-in" pesticides--that we then ingest. And they are in almost all processed food.
Many unsafe chemicals are being sold for household use, b/c they don't cause big problems in most cases, but the cumulative effect is not tested. And amazingly, there are often natural products available for cheaper that do as good or a better job! (Try baking soda for scrubbing a sink or tub for ex.) Air and water pollution are affecting this generation, not the future ones. I believe fluoride in water is harmful to our health. When I was chronically ill, I could feel the effects of an ordinary cell phone. Even if only have of these things are truly a concern, they are much greater problem than the potential for environmental problems one day in the future. The number of children will serious disabilities and the number of people with chronic illness is increasing. We are doing SOMETHING wrong. If the illnesses continue to multiple at the rate they are, I predict noone will hardly care if they climate change to come true, b/c the health of our nation will be a bigger concern. There are much more urgent environmental problems.
For that reason alone, I think it is a hoax and a distraction from real issues--it protects companies like Merck and Monsanto if we focus our save the earth types on stopping bar-b-que and driving hybrids.
And if you don't buy any of these problems, well you probably agree with me on the fact the economy is more of a problem than climate at the moment.
Many unsafe chemicals are being sold for household use, b/c they don't cause big problems in most cases, but the cumulative effect is not tested. And amazingly, there are often natural products available for cheaper that do as good or a better job! (Try baking soda for scrubbing a sink or tub for ex.) Air and water pollution are affecting this generation, not the future ones. I believe fluoride in water is harmful to our health. When I was chronically ill, I could feel the effects of an ordinary cell phone. Even if only have of these things are truly a concern, they are much greater problem than the potential for environmental problems one day in the future. The number of children will serious disabilities and the number of people with chronic illness is increasing. We are doing SOMETHING wrong. If the illnesses continue to multiple at the rate they are, I predict noone will hardly care if they climate change to come true, b/c the health of our nation will be a bigger concern. There are much more urgent environmental problems.
For that reason alone, I think it is a hoax and a distraction from real issues--it protects companies like Merck and Monsanto if we focus our save the earth types on stopping bar-b-que and driving hybrids.
And if you don't buy any of these problems, well you probably agree with me on the fact the economy is more of a problem than climate at the moment.
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I agree, GMO and not labeling products that contain them are the biggest threat around. As an organic farmer this concerns me more than anything else Horizontal gene transfer is very scary indeed. Some RP supporters here think its no big deal...
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Yes, even hard-core global warming believers agree that the Earth has not warmed in the last 10 years, therefore the video is fiction, even if AGW were true the video would be a fiction because the AGW people say the Earth has not warmed in the last 10 years. Now even East Anglia says it hasn't warmed in 15 years. Vid is agitprop.
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Thanks Glenn do you need any help with this? I am calling my rep in the morning.
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Awesome!!! plus rep. I should have donated more to you. People don't realize by eating this stuff they are changing their own genetics. If the federal government were to require labeling on these products, no one would buy them accept the looney. One could argue it should be a warning label!
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It's NC only, and the way the rules are set up it died in committee. Will have to wait until January 2013 to re-introduce, assuming that I am successful in my Senate race. On a positive note, the Republicans have shot themselves in the foot again and again last year, and the specter of a renewed Democratic majority would create a favorable environment for the bill to pass.
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I very much appreciate everything you have done, in fact, we finally just found a very low-cost method to cut thank-you cards at pennies on the dollar at extremely low bulk rates even for small runs, so those cards should go out in the next 48 hours.
Truth is, nobody here could have possibly known if I would stay true to principle once in office, so I understood the lack of motivation for many in 2010. The reality, of course, is I hate hate hate being an elected official, so I have no desire to pander to the power brokers via legislation. That makes it easier to uphold principle because the only reason I am doing this is to save America, and the only way to save America is to obey the Constitution.
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If by "scientific community" you mean "scientists who are given money from the government in exchange for publishing support for climate change," then, no, they haven't been reasonably honest. They are in the exact same category of intelligence experts who cook up evidence for WMD's in Iraq.
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OK outstanding! And I appreciate it. You can get your Rep's position on the bill to help inform your vote, but the way the rules are set up it's not going anywhere until re-introduction in January of 2013.
I suggest you look again here:
http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/global-warming/
Actually I mean the widespread international scientific community and every single scientist I've talked to. Calling it a hoax is incredibly dismissive, and quite a bit different than a disagreement.
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http://www.petitionproject.org/
Take away the people who are given money by the government, and it's not that widespread any more.
Plus, how could calling it a hoax really be that bad? The whole climategate story is about a bunch of scientists getting caught red handed in precisely this hoax.
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OK outstanding! And I appreciate it. You can get your Rep's position on the bill to help inform your vote, but the way the rules are set up it's not going anywhere until re-introduction in January of 2013.
I called and spoke to my reps secretary about my concern as a mom and and grand mom that children are the ones being hardest hit by GMOs
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