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This is what you were going for:
Thanks, Gunny!
The link froze and then my computer started having issues.
A number of people here are Conservatives first, and Libertarians second
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Thanks, Gunny!
The link froze and then my computer started having issues.
The United States was founded on 3/5ths of Liberty.
Some people here think letting people who don't own land vote, or letting women vote, or letting black and the Irish roam free decreased liberty.
Embracing individualism and free-markets was an extremely progressive idea and is still a bridge to far even for the United States.
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Atta girl, +Rep!
Ditto for me too, on this one.
(I wanted to make it my avatar pic, but it's just too darned big.)
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Holy crap. I didn't get the exact top corner, almost didn't make it into the radical libertarian arc!
Hope this doesn't mean a re-education camp for me
Libertarian re-education camp:
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Two is a number, name two.
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...it's sad to hear people bickering about 'political issues'...'liberals'/democrats vs. 'conservatives'/republicans vs. 'socialists' vs. 'fascists' vs. 'centrists' vs. 'independents' vs. etc. republicrat fools ad goddamned nauseam...
...but when it comes to the bankster$ getting government bond$, etc. ad nauseam, for free...well, there's apparently no difference of opinion here...it's all ok...move along....nothing to talk about here...not EVER a stinking peep from the republicrat monetary ignoramu$ bickerers...
...many of the abortion prohibitionist 'conservatives' are among the worst imo...frequently working their foaming gobs about 'big bad government'
as they screech like gd fools for some new 'dept. of abortion prohibition'...and---of course---endless wars/warmongering galore....?apparently these authoritarian republicrat peckerheads presume some jurisdiction over another's womb?...despite the pathetic rhetoric about [individual] 'liberty'
frequently emanating from their hot dog chutes... 
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...it's sad to hear people bickering about 'political issues'...'liberals'/democrats vs. 'conservatives'/republicans vs. 'socialists' vs. 'fascists' vs. 'centrists' vs. 'independents' vs. etc. republicrat fools ad goddamned nauseam...
...but when it comes to the bankster$ getting government bond$, etc. ad nauseam, for free...well, there's apparently no difference of opinion here...it's all ok...move along....nothing to talk about here...not EVER a stinking peep from the republicrat monetary ignoramu$ bickerers...
...many of the abortion prohibitionist 'conservatives' are among the worst imo...frequently working their foaming gobs about 'big bad government'
..?apparently these authoritarian republicrat peckerheads presume some jurisdiction over another's womb?...despite the pathetic rhetoric about [individual] 'liberty'
The unborn are individuals deserving of life and liberty too. PREVENT unwanted pregnancies.
In one sentence, libertarianism, "Other people are not your property."
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Is there or has there ever been a system that you would like to live in? If so, what and when?
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I prefer being called a Ron Pauler. lol
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crickets.....
Kind of expected that.
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No, they pretty much all suck.
Satanic rule and control does tend to do that. <shrug>
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Only applies to a sliver of a minority of the cognitive dissonants.
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The story of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, from the scriptures, for me, is a parable about humanities desire to experience life in a dynamic and challenging realm. Instead, of a protected, predictable, mundane one. To live free and challenged, verses complacent and static.
I see humanity as excelling and progressing under stress, while festering and becoming stagnant and unsustainable in times of plenty.
It's just how we are wired.
I see humanity as excelling and progressing under stress, while festering and becoming stagnant and unsustainable in times of plenty.
It's just how we are wired.
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Labels dont matter. How we treat each other is really what matters.
In todays society, we live under the great lie of Government. Government itself is the great lie by which everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else. Values are shifted and morals are distorted by forcing others to bear the burden of responsibility for the bad behaviors of others. By doing this, each individual sees bad behaviors as a threat to their own well being, and thus draw a conclusion that the indirectly affected individual has a "Right" to tell another individual how to live their lives. That concept continues to escalate until total ownership of another human being is necessary. People are now treated as if they are the property of the state, and any attempts to refuse the demands of the state are perceived as a threat to other individuals that support state ownership of people. The final consequence of this is that if your neighbor does not brush their teeth every day, every other individual perceives the non toothbrusher as an intolerable member of society, and demand that government be created or enforce violence against the non toothbrusher because the burden of paying for the non toothbrushers dental work costs everyone else. That is a shift of responsibility from the individual to the society, where the needs of the society always outweigh the needs of the individual. Unfortunately, this same concept applies to abortion as well. If one member of society has a pregnancy that is unwanted, the rest of society immediately decries the behaviors of that individual and believes they have a right to justify violence against the person that had the unwanted pregnancy as a measure of self defense. It is just as sad to see one human being murder a grown adult of any nationality as it is to know an abortion has taken place, but like the murder of an adult, it is well beyond the scope of authority of the other members of the society to enact violence directly, thus, we let government do it for us. This results in a pattern of absolving government, and people who act under the pretense of being a part of the government of all responsibility for the violence visited upon that individual. Justice can still be served, but needs to be done so in a court of law. Was the murder an act of self defense? Was it authorized by the military? Was it for greed or lust? There are a ton of reasons on both sides of guilt and innocence that will determine the fate of the individual, however, in the case of abortion, I think that is between the parents, their doctor, and God. Other people need to quit hiding behind the pretense that they have any legitimate say so in the decisions made by those that would choose to have that abortion when they are not directly involved, IE, not either parent or the doctor or god, and I dont think God himself actually posts on our forums, or any other. We are always faced with a choice between what is right and what is easy. It is easy to try to control the behaviors of others. I believe it is right to allow others to make those decisions for themselves, but it is also very hard to not want to get involved. It is even hard for me to bite my own tongue when I see people make a decision about abortion, so if you disagree with me, first, I disagree with myself, because that is the hardest thing that can be done, but I believe also the right thing. I also think that not offering a welfare structure forces people to make individually responsible choices. I cant provide for this baby, thus, I wont go out and get myself knocked up. Just as Open Borders and Welfare cause immigration, Open Legs and Welfare contributes to overpopulation. I know one thing, I cant decide for other people what the right thing to do is. I'll support and offer suggestions, but I do my best to not cross the line and dictate how other people must behave, unless it is a direct and obvious threat to myself, on par with pointing a gun at someone, but something like not brushing ones teeth or not paying taxes, thats beyond the scope of my own authority. Thus, one question to ask yourselves in regards to abortion, if it doesnt affect you, do you think it within the scope of your authority, or beyond the scope of your individual authority? You dont have to post an answer, just food for thought.
Similar to the abortion debate, it is easy to demand that government hand out welfare and do nothing in return. It is right to provide for ones self, but the right thing to do is also the hard choice. It should be obvious that many many people choose what is easy over what is right. Such as bankers who do not produce a damn thing, yet, reap the rewards of the labors of the people. Those types of people will not choose the hard path and to actually put in an honest days worth of work producing anything that society needs. Instead, they put in as much effort as possible to deprive others of what they have produced in order to benefit themselves.
Just thinking out loud...
In todays society, we live under the great lie of Government. Government itself is the great lie by which everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else. Values are shifted and morals are distorted by forcing others to bear the burden of responsibility for the bad behaviors of others. By doing this, each individual sees bad behaviors as a threat to their own well being, and thus draw a conclusion that the indirectly affected individual has a "Right" to tell another individual how to live their lives. That concept continues to escalate until total ownership of another human being is necessary. People are now treated as if they are the property of the state, and any attempts to refuse the demands of the state are perceived as a threat to other individuals that support state ownership of people. The final consequence of this is that if your neighbor does not brush their teeth every day, every other individual perceives the non toothbrusher as an intolerable member of society, and demand that government be created or enforce violence against the non toothbrusher because the burden of paying for the non toothbrushers dental work costs everyone else. That is a shift of responsibility from the individual to the society, where the needs of the society always outweigh the needs of the individual. Unfortunately, this same concept applies to abortion as well. If one member of society has a pregnancy that is unwanted, the rest of society immediately decries the behaviors of that individual and believes they have a right to justify violence against the person that had the unwanted pregnancy as a measure of self defense. It is just as sad to see one human being murder a grown adult of any nationality as it is to know an abortion has taken place, but like the murder of an adult, it is well beyond the scope of authority of the other members of the society to enact violence directly, thus, we let government do it for us. This results in a pattern of absolving government, and people who act under the pretense of being a part of the government of all responsibility for the violence visited upon that individual. Justice can still be served, but needs to be done so in a court of law. Was the murder an act of self defense? Was it authorized by the military? Was it for greed or lust? There are a ton of reasons on both sides of guilt and innocence that will determine the fate of the individual, however, in the case of abortion, I think that is between the parents, their doctor, and God. Other people need to quit hiding behind the pretense that they have any legitimate say so in the decisions made by those that would choose to have that abortion when they are not directly involved, IE, not either parent or the doctor or god, and I dont think God himself actually posts on our forums, or any other. We are always faced with a choice between what is right and what is easy. It is easy to try to control the behaviors of others. I believe it is right to allow others to make those decisions for themselves, but it is also very hard to not want to get involved. It is even hard for me to bite my own tongue when I see people make a decision about abortion, so if you disagree with me, first, I disagree with myself, because that is the hardest thing that can be done, but I believe also the right thing. I also think that not offering a welfare structure forces people to make individually responsible choices. I cant provide for this baby, thus, I wont go out and get myself knocked up. Just as Open Borders and Welfare cause immigration, Open Legs and Welfare contributes to overpopulation. I know one thing, I cant decide for other people what the right thing to do is. I'll support and offer suggestions, but I do my best to not cross the line and dictate how other people must behave, unless it is a direct and obvious threat to myself, on par with pointing a gun at someone, but something like not brushing ones teeth or not paying taxes, thats beyond the scope of my own authority. Thus, one question to ask yourselves in regards to abortion, if it doesnt affect you, do you think it within the scope of your authority, or beyond the scope of your individual authority? You dont have to post an answer, just food for thought.
Similar to the abortion debate, it is easy to demand that government hand out welfare and do nothing in return. It is right to provide for ones self, but the right thing to do is also the hard choice. It should be obvious that many many people choose what is easy over what is right. Such as bankers who do not produce a damn thing, yet, reap the rewards of the labors of the people. Those types of people will not choose the hard path and to actually put in an honest days worth of work producing anything that society needs. Instead, they put in as much effort as possible to deprive others of what they have produced in order to benefit themselves.
Just thinking out loud...
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