A number of people here are Conservatives first, and Libertarians second

Because Jesus' forgiveness is so overrated

I think a lot of people just believe this because they want to believe it, not because it actually makes exegetical sense. Few try to argue that because of Christ's death we shouldn't punish murderers now. Some do argue against the death penalty on these grounds, but even those that do usually want murderers to have to spend a lifetime in prison. Yet I'm sure you would object to someone proposing that homosexuals spend a lifetime in prison as an alternative (indeed, prison systems are only used by tyrants in the Bible and are never condoned by God or prescribed for Israel.)

The adulterous woman case isn't applicable for so many reasons, the most obvious being the entire episode still took place under the Old Covenant (the New Covenant did not begin until Christ's death and resurrection) and so the law against adultery would have applied then even if you don't believe it applied now (I think the case of adultery is similar enough to be comparable.) "he who is without sin cast the first stone" is not talking about all sins whatsoever (it would prove too much, as nobody could then be punished for any crime) but rather the victimized party who had not committed adultery (furthermore the law wasn't actually being followed as only the woman was brought out for punishment rather than the man). The Pharisees were testing Jesus, and Jesus immediately discerned where they were breaking the law and used this to avoid the trap.

Christ's forgiveness is certainly available for anyone who has personal faith in his life, death, and resurrection for their justification. Anyone who trusts in him alone for salvation, even someone who has committed adultery or homosexuality, can be forgiven. However, just as with a murderer, being forgiven by Christ does not negate the punishment.

I really think these kinds of arguments from evangelicals and so forth today stems not from sound Biblical exegesis, but because we don't really take sexual sin as seriously as the Bible does, and we want an excuse not to take it as seriously. I think there are some bad philosophical reasons behind this aas well, without a robust understanding of the real improtance of both ideas and spirituality, it doesn't really make sense why God would take this kind of covenant breaking this seriously. I think our arguments here are more stemmed from what we do or don't like than what is actually BIblical.
 
Then you lack the understanding that an integral nation that controls its own borders is an absolutely essential, non-negotiable prerequisite in order for liberty to exist.

"Muh statism!!!!111"

m_JWqS.gif
 
It used to be that conervatives were for a conservative (limited) government. That changed about the mid 70s to mean conservative on social issues. Now they are both big government parties, but differ on the issues government should focus on.

The United States was founded on liberty. Liberty gave its citizens the working space they needed to make it great. In the U.S. true conservatism works to preserve liberty.

The powers that be keep us divided with labels and keep us fighting over social issues while they grow their authoritarian, robber baron regime. Which of them is going to lift a finger to stop abortion? None of them. Not one.

If we cannot restore government of the people, by the people, and for the people, we might just as well have a circle jerk as fight for 'social issues' like the unborn. We can't keep the doctors from killing the unborn and fight with those who are trying to keep the cops from killing the born too. Either we figure out that the 'conservatives' and the 'liberals' are on the same side, or the 'conservatives' and the 'liberals' continue to fight each other while the doctors and cops continue to kill with impunity.

The trolls keep slapping labels on us and the killing continues, born and unborn alike. But the fact that we're busy fighting over labels and fighting over whether the born or the unborn should be saved first has nothing to do with that. Right?
 
Last edited:
"Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire." -- Robert A. Heinlein
 
How do I share my results?

I'm in the libetarian quadrant... very slightly to the right

That particular survey doesn't really have enough detail to be extremely accurate. I'd probably put you closer to Paleocons or Traditional Conservatives.

Here is a better one that allows you to weigh policies, which is important for accuracy:

http://www.quiz2d.com/quiz/

oA56i4l.png


Noticing that yellow dot is AWFULLY close to where I put "Constitutionalism" in my prior drawing....
 
I went ahead and reflected my drawing along the horizontal axis and pasted it on top of my results from http://www.quiz2d.com/quiz/

If you want to know how to post your results, you will probably need to take a screenshot and crop it down.

OZ9b54q.png
 
Back
Top