A Nuclear 9/11 -- Dr. Paul's Payback?

[fmontez]

Good grief. There were mainstream media reports, one after the other on these guys. It all happened within a week--it was like one a day.

OLD NEWS! The other poster is right. They were mostly, if not all, car accidents, but I thought one died of "natural causes."

Oh, thank God! I was starting to doubt the Government for a second. I found several articles, and 10x as many debunking it... here is a good one:

http://www.unknownnews.org/070920-fd.html#20:Rebecca

Now, I don't trust the Government 100%, but I am not afraid of my Government, and I don't believe the Government kills Airmen for making mistakes. I don't believe the CFR is evil and so on and so forth.

That DOES not exclude me from thinking Dr. Paul has some great ideas, especially when it comes to economics. Gets old being called a Troll because you are not on the CFR and GOP bash/hate wagon.

 

[Dave Pedersen]

I am from Minnesota and this is crap! Paul Wellstone's plane crashed because of bad weather.. and Cynthia McKinney is a nut who assualted Capital Police... this whole article is truther trash!

Whoever wrote this trash is a liar and really whacked IMHO.

I was delivering the Pioneer Press at the time. The conclusions reached were done so reluctantly. There was no better conclusion than to blame it on the weather but the weather wasn't considered to be that bad and much investigation was aimed at the pilot.

Your stars have been upside down for quite a long time by the way.

Check out the OKC evidence of the real story. It may convince you that our enemies infest our government rather than caves along the Pakistan/Afghanistan border.

 

[freelance]

Oh, thank God! I was starting to doubt the Government for a second. I found several articles, and 10x as many debunking it... here is a good one:

http://www.unknownnews.org/070920-fd.html#20:Rebecca

Now, I don't trust the Government 100%, but I am not afraid of my Government, and I don't believe the Government kills Airmen for making mistakes. I don't believe the CFR is evil and so on and so forth.

That DOES not exclude me from thinking Dr. Paul has some great ideas, especially when it comes to economics. Gets old being called a Troll because you are not on the CFR and GOP bash/hate wagon.

Fair enough, as long as you support RP then we have something in common.

 

[fmontez]

I was delivering the Pioneer Press at the time. The conclusions reached were done so reluctantly. There was no better conclusion than to blame it on the weather but the weather wasn't considered to be that bad and much investigation was aimed at the pilot.

Your stars have been upside down for quite a long time by the way.

Check out the OKC evidence of the real story. It may convince you that our enemies infest our government rather than caves along the Pakistan/Afghanistan border.

Well, I will say this, it would be almost impossible to convince me that the Government killed Senator Wellstone. The greatest threat facing our nation right now, in my opinion, is the Socialist movement; but those fellows in the caves of Pakistan/Afghanistan ARE our enemies too.

 

[realitywiz]

Oh, thank God! I was starting to doubt the Government for a second. I found several articles, and 10x as many debunking it... here is a good one:

http://www.unknownnews.org/070920-fd.html#20:Rebecca

Now, I don't trust the Government 100%, but I am not afraid of my Government, and I don't believe the Government kills Airmen for making mistakes. I don't believe the CFR is evil and so on and so forth.

That DOES not exclude me from thinking Dr. Paul has some great ideas, especially when it comes to economics. Gets old being called a Troll because you are not on the CFR and GOP bash/hate wagon.

I've been reading your posts. I don't think you're a troll -- but you seem to be too trusting of your government. I'm glad you like some of Ron Paul's ideas.

I suggest please do some research into the CFR and individuals such as George W. Bush, etc. You sound like you trust these people and may have even supported them in the past. Please investigate objectively and don't ignore the facts just because you may have supported the mainstream GOP, Bush, etc. for a long time and simply don't want to hear the truth.

People are too trusting of their government. Historically, governments have hurt their own people for political purposes. This cannot be denied and no one should think the U.S. government is some magical exception. It's never comforting to acknowledge that your own government can hurt you on purpose -- but it's the truth. The Founding Fathers warned us against blind faith in the government. Real Americans listen to the wise advice of the Founders.

Open your eyes -- the truth is like an elephant in the living room. The only way you can miss it is if you refuse to open your eyes!

 

[realitywiz]

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Captain Eric H. May
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Captain Eric H. May, the Internet intelligent writer, examines the way the Bush administration gets even with those who criticize it, one way or another. Are Ron Paul and his constituents targets?
A Nuclear 9/11 -- Dr. Paul's Payback?

By Captain Eric H. May
Military Correspondent

Bush League Rules

"If you vote against the war in Iraq, the Bush administration will do whatever is necessary to get you. There will be severe ramifications for you and the state of Minnesota." -- Vice President Dick Cheney to Senator Paul Wellstone (D), October, 2002, just days before Wellstone's death in an airplane accident.

The Bush League, comprised of neocons and globalists, has always played dirty in the game of politics. League members are forgiven for any and all vices and crimes -- except lack of loyalty to the Bush League, that is. Despite his felony conviction, pardoned Scooter Libby lives in freedom and comfort. Paul Wolfowitz, an architect of a failed Iraq war and later a scandalized president of the World Bank, is now working for the White House again. CIA Director George Tenet, who did not prevent 9/11, received the presidential Medal of Freedom. So did Army General Tommy Franks, for that matter, whose greatest accomplishment was leading our 2003 leap into Iraqi quicksand.

Bush League opponents, though, have frequently endured the worst of luck, so much so that folks whisper in private of reprisals against those who don't go along and get along. They whispered when Congressman Mickey Leland, a troublesome black radical from Houston, died in a strange plane accident in Africa just months after Bush 41 took office in 1989. They whispered when Senators Tom Daschle and Russ Feingold, who in 2001 were resisting the Homeland State and Global War, became targets of anthrax attacks that strangely used US military spores. They whispered when left-leaning antiwar Senator Paul Wellstone died in a strange plane accident just days after opposing the War Powers Act.

Not everyone who challenges the Bush League dies, though. Former congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, who insisted that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job, found herself hassled by the DC cops, labeled a troublemaker and run out of office. Muslim Congressman Keith Ellison, who in July, 2007 compared 9/11 to the Reichstag fire and Bush to Hitler, was begging Bush for emergency aid less than a month later, after the strange collapse of his Minnesota home district's I-35 bridge into the Mississippi River. Congressman Dennis Kucinich, who sponsored articles of impeachment against Dick Cheney and called for a new investigation of 9/11, last month mourned the sudden, strange death of his 52-year-old brother, Perry. Former congressmen Mark Deli Siljander, who was about to publish a book loathed by neocons, A Deadly Misunderstanding: a Congressman's Quest to Bridge the Muslim-Christian Divide, just this week found himself facing dozens of federal charges that he rendered aid to Al Qaeda.

Payback for Paul?

"All of a sudden, I heard a boom. A real big boom. I thought al-Qaida was here. I did, I'm not going to lie." -- Gloria Randle, Texas City, July 28, 2005

Congressman Ron Paul is probably the most prominent reformer in America nowadays not to suffer -- or see his constituents suffer -- from strange bad luck. His anti-establishment presidential bid is provocatively named "The Ron Paul Revolution," and his activist support base stretches from gold standard libertarians and states rights conservatives to 9/11 truthers and New World Order opponents. Despite a mainstream media that usually pretends he doesn't exist, Dr. Paul and his "Paulestinian" supporters continue to wage an Internet campaign effectively promoting both the man and the message.

In our brave new post-9/11 world, how long can the Bush League allow such a gadfly to buzz around the body politic? The answer is simple: not long. In fact, Paul and his district are already living on borrowed time. Readers of my recent columns are familiar with my assertion that Ron Paul's congressional district has long been the primary target for the nuclear 9/11, or "9/11-2B." Working with Houston area law enforcement and media, Internet activists in the Houston area have anticipated and interdicted three different 911-2B attempts or rehearsals against BP, the nation's third largest refinery, in Paul's Texas City.

What more fitting Bush League payback could there be for the pain in the ass Ron Paul, a constant critic of the Global War and the Homeland State, than an "Al Qaeda" attack against his district? Just Monday, January 14, the Texas City BP refinery experienced yet another explosion and fatality. It has had a strange streak of explosions in recent years, becoming the nation's most dangerous workplace. Insiders wonder whether the many incidents are really random -- or are rehearsals. Many of Paul's Gulf Coast friends are alarmed, believing that Texas City, Texas is long past due for joining New York City, New York and Oklahoma City, Oklahoma on the New World Order false flag casualty list. To review the past as prologue, refer to my 2007 article, The Texas Triangle: Terror and Treason.

"Noble" 911-2B?

"Maybe the people who think there's a conspiracy out there are right." -- Congressman Peter DeFazio, July, 2007

"The truth is that Bush just likes to blow things up... in Iraq, in the United States, and in Congress." -- Congressman Pete Stark, October, 2007

"Noble Resolve" is an annual series of military command post exercises rehearsing 9/11-2B in designated states. 9/11 analysts are quick to point out that both the 9/11/01 attacks and the 7/7/05 London attacks were strangely coincident with military exercises rehearsing their deadly outcomes. Accordingly, being a Noble Resolve participant is the last thing on earth anyone would want. All this is bad news for just-announced 2008 target states Texas, Oregon, Indiana and Washington, DC. They are now fair game for nuclear, biological and chemical attack exercises.

A healthy dose of paranoia about government motives is the correct prescription in the post-9/11 world. It's better to be safe than sorry, as every good doctor knows.

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Captain May is a former Army military intelligence and public affairs officer, as well as a former NBC editorial writer. His political and military analyses have appeared in The Wall Street Journal, the Houston Chronicle and Military Intelligence Magazine. His homesite is www.spiritone.com/~pazuu/pow-mia/Ghost_Troop_Captain_Eric_H_May.htm

Thanks for sharing this. There's no doubt in my mind that an intentional "payback" is possible to Ron Paul and/or his constituents. I mean, this stuff is right in our faces. I'm surprised at how painfully slow the process is for waking people up. Why don't they wake up and see the elephant in the living room???

 

[Dave Pedersen]

Well, I will say this, it would be almost impossible to convince me that the Government killed Senator Wellstone. The greatest threat facing our nation right now, in my opinion, is the Socialist movement; but those fellows in the caves of Pakistan/Afghanistan ARE our enemies too.

I hate socialism too. Specifically the doctrine of reallocating wealth from one individual to another. Back when Wellstone died I celebrated the country's good fortune. I was that convinced he was so harmful to America. While I had sympathy for him and his family I believed we were much better off without him. I still believe this to be true. I also would celebrate if everyone else in congress would suffer a similar fate (with a very few notable exceptions). All those who voted yes for H.R. 1955 .. I would not mourn their loss and I would be happy for our country. But I would not be happy if anyone were deliberately murdered as Wellstone may have been.

Our nation is overrun by mobsters. Unless they can be removed our nation will be destroyed and all who gave their lives on the fields of battle will have ultimately died for a lost cause. This should not be. Not while it remains in our power to act to promote the truth. It is by the truth and not by force of arms that we will prevail.

When it comes time to restoring our government -- should we choose to have a federal level of government in any form let us remember the role of corporations and resolutely limit their capacity to co-opt our sovereignty.

 

[braumstr]

I dont trust the government one bit, to do just about anything. Much less something as complex as what you imply.

This is pure dukey.

 

[Churchill2004]

Not buying into truther nonsense does not and has never equaled "trusting the government". I don't trust the government. That doesn't mean I have to believe blatantly ridiculous claims about supposed evils the government has committed.

 

[Mini-Me]

While this sounds very far-fetched to me, the fact that it has been predicted and written on has pretty much eradicated the already slim chances of something like this happening - if it did, this story would be reposted everywhere.

 

[Ex Post Facto]

I'm not a truther either. But I do look at all the facts even when they seem farfetched.

 

[slinkymaster]

While this sounds very far-fetched to me, the fact that it has been predicted and written on has pretty much eradicated the already slim chances of something like this happening - if it did, this story would be reposted everywhere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JHqB7w9WSI
skip the 1st 3 minutes of alex jones crap.

Bill Cooper predicted an attack on the country during his 6/28/01 show and said it would be blamed on osama bin laden. Bill Cooper was gunned down by authorities in front of his house 11/5/01.

We need a truce on these boards, us "truthers" shouldnt be bashing people for not believing and us truthers shouldn't be bashed for being "truthers".

I doubt there is any idiot out there saying "Ron Paul never voted to raise taxes, and did you know that jet fuel burns 600 degrees cooler than the melting point of steel?" We're on the same side and the majority of us dont walk around promoting 9/11 to random people outside of the internet. Regardless if the original post is true or not, it doesn't hurt anyone to put the information out there.

 

[Ex Post Facto]

I agree Slinkymaster, I believe in the free marketplace of ideas.

 

[Mini-Me]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JHqB7w9WSI
skip the 1st 3 minutes of alex jones crap.

Bill Cooper predicted an attack on the country during his 6/28/01 show and said it would be blamed on osama bin laden. Bill Cooper was gunned down by authorities in front of his house 11/5/01.
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<crickets>
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Well, that's news to me, and it pretty much shoots down what I just said. Yeah, I guess this article would get little to no recognition even if the scenario it predicts did occur.

 

[RucdelaSpook]

They've been pretty arrogant so far...

about flouting their power. Sometimes at night, I pray for Dr. Paul. I really am afraid that something's going to happen to him. I think that they're holding back now because so many people are paying attention. Can you imagine the media explosion (at least, on the Internet) that would occur if Dr. Paul was "assassinated"?? Let's continue to be very obvious with our vigilance of him; I have a feeling that the moment the spotlight is off of him-- heart attack.

Going back to the 9/11 response he gave during the debate, "if they cared for me" could also refer to his personal safety. You never know... Dr. Paul has been in this game for a long time, I'm sure he's the most aware of the danger he faces everyday he makes a public appearance. Just remember-- be VIGILANT.

 

[braumstr]

The reason I do not trust the government is because in my observation they are generally incompetent. So, while interesting, I am inclined to be skeptical of these complex theories.

 

[Fox McCloud]

Going back to the 9/11 response he gave during the debate, "if they cared for me" could also refer to his personal safety. You never know... Dr. Paul has been in this game for a long time, I'm sure he's the most aware of the danger he faces everyday he makes a public appearance. Just remember-- be VIGILANT.

I'm not going to say that Paul is just covering his butt and saying that he isn't a truther, despite the fact he secretly is....because I have my doubts.

however, I'm fairly confident to say he knows FAR FAR more than he ever lets on....come on, he's a 10 term Congressman, he's going to know the in's and out's of a lot of things.

As for Bill Cooper and him "exposing" Alex Jones...I don't buy it, but I'm not going to call him and his 9/11 prediction a fraud either.


edit: and I pray for Dr. Paul too.

 

[jdrochon]

people like me? You are the troll here attacking a real supporter! HOW DARE YOU!!!

Oh good one. Look buddy. The world is full of conspiracies. I know this. You know this. But this is a mainstream forum and is best seen as representing the best interest of Ron Paul. You're truther/conspiracy talk whether it's the truth or not will turn people off from Dr. Paul and will be seen as attempt to derail the campaign. So stop thinking about yourself, stop trying to regain lost credibility by dropping more conspiracy theories in hope that maybe this time you'll be right. There is some real bad stuff going on that has not been brought to light. We know how dirty things are but your unfounded rumors and theories are a turn off to the mainstream supporters that we so desperately need.

 

[raiha]

A good book: "Death by Government" Professor Rummel. Reviewed for Amazon by this person in 2003.

Big Government: Catalyst for the blood-soaked 20th century.
By Ryan Setliff "InternetPundit.com"

~Death by Government~ touches on a subject that is often ignored that over 150,000,000 people have been killed in the 20th century, not in wars, but in democidal and genocidal purges by statist and totalitarian regimes. Beyond the detailed statistical analysis, some of the conclusions drawn seem to miss the mark. Have we really learned any lessons from history? Rommel makes an observation that more democracy is the answer. Is this really the most prudent conclusion we can draw. However, given that every dictatorship clings to a populist mass ideology (e.g. Hitler's Volkisk ideology, Qadhafi's Jamahiriya or state of the masses) to give it a locus of legitimacy, can any lessons be learned from the 20th century where democracy is held to be sacrosanct? Stalin committed heinous crimes in the name of the people. The Weimar Germany of the 1920's was said to have the most democratic constitution in all of Europe, yet it could not fortify the rule of law and the avoid lawlessness and dissent into political radicalism. Shortly thereafter the Nazis rose to fill the vacuum of power. Total democracy has a tendency to yield to the most totalitarian systems, because it runs roughshod over the rule of law and some demagogue rises while espousing a general will for the masses. Hitler loathed federalism, because its essence was a diffusion of power, and it was anemical to securing his party and ideology in place. Perhaps we should recognize that a relatively decentralized federal system such as that of Switzerland or the U.S. is the key to avoiding the horrors of the authoritarian system since only centralized statist regimes proved themselves capable of getting away with so much mass murder. The great crisis of liberal democracy has been its' unfettered faith in the people and its' rosy views of human nature. This ideology of democratism views democracy as an end in itself. Not surprisingly, there has been a drive in the name of democracy for more centralization and erosion of checks and balances which hinder the implementation of that alleged "will of the people." Thus, Rummel's assertions that we need more democracy may be missing the mark when trying to assess what we can learn from history. Rediscovering the federal principle of subsidiarity, which is in essence a difusion of power remains the key to structuring viable political systems that are most conducive to freedom are less likely to be plagued by corruption and historically the least likely to subject its people or any other nation to mass murder. If one retorts that this what Rummel means in his conception of democracy than he certainly fails to define it.

So, if Rummel's simplistic thesis is that more "democracy" is the answer to avoid repeating the blood-soaked 20th century's mistakes than we've learned nothing. The 20th century was the most democratic of all, but political systems failed to fortify themselves against its excesses, which gave rise to dictators, demagogues and populist mass ideology that ran roughshod over the rule of law and individual liberty. Erik Von Kuehnelt-Leddihn avowed, "Fifty-one percent of a nation can establish a totalitarian regime, suppress minorities and still remain democratic." This book is an otherwise intriguing reference on a sad series of episodes in human history.

 

[fmontez]

We need a truce on these boards, us "truthers" shouldnt be bashing people for not believing and us truthers shouldn't be bashed for being "truthers".

I am here to get Ron Paul elected! I don't care if peeps sit in their closets with a shotgun and a tinfoil hat, but if they want to get Dr. Paul elected they should have enough self control to realize how there words drive a wedge between mainstream voters and Dr. Paul.

Lets play it like this: all the Truthers can "know in there hearts" that when Ron Paul gets elected he will publish the Presidents Secret Book of Secrets, but until then he has to pretend to be a straight and narrow GOP Pawn.