A new site vision; a new era

[phill4paul]

Great idea! I hope it works out!

However, I personally think the time for Liberty is past and we as a nation are far beyond repair. It was a good run guys but I think our time should now be spent trying to survive what's to come.

Knowledge is the basis for survival. If that is your focus we could use your input in these sub-forums...

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/forumdisplay.php?65-Freedom-Living

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/forumdisplay.php?112-Personal-Security-amp-Defense

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/forumdisplay.php?179-Personal-Health-amp-Well-Being (regarding health tips/remedies that would apply in a shtf scenario)

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/forumdisplay.php?8-Privacy-amp-Data-Security ( staying out of the governments cross-hairs, etc.)

 

[scrosnoe]

This thread makes me smile reminds me of the early days and yet with new vision -- special thanks to Bryan for stimulating this conversation!

I think the most important thing I could add is that it is the diversity within our midst that makes us different from all the rest of political fiefdom out there. It is the fact that we really work at having a real conversation on real topics. And most of the time we succeed in taking care of one another with a lot of wisdom and love. If the body kills it's wounded parts, it will die sooner instead of later. We need each other and it does matter how we treat one another. We need to know our heavenly Father and we need to know how the system operates. He will show us IF we ask and even try to follow His Way.

I find that everyone in our midst is a truth seeker. That is a good thing, because the bible tells us that if we seek; we will find:

Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: Matthew 7:7

The Guide Point can be a part of that process that is IF we all work together to make it so!

Blessings,
Sandie

 

[tod evans]

FYI

https://www.guideposts.org/

 

[Natural Citizen]

FYI

https://www.guideposts.org/

Hm. Well, that's interesting irony there. I really would like to see more people with this view participate more here. We do have friends here who understand and place into practice this aspect of libertarian outreach. It goes hand in hand with liberty by its very nature. But our peace through religion platform has become counter-intuitive to these particular principles. A boxing ring of varying philosophy. To the point that we've lost some of these people here. Talented people. People whose contributions/ideas on direction are valuable in scope. There is more I want to say about this but I'll leave it alone for now.

But I did bookmark your link, tod. I like sites like that. And liberty is certainly a lifestyle as much as it is a group of principles.

 

[cjsanford5]

I have been coming here since 2008 to check the pulse of the movement. I don't post much but browse daily to see what like minded individuals think about current events. Don't change too much please!

 

[Suzanimal]

I have been coming here since 2008 to check the pulse of the movement. I don't post much but browse daily to see what like minded individuals think about current events. Don't change too much please!

Nine posts since 2008. Obviously, you feel strongly about this.

 

[Suzu]

Nine posts since 2008. Obviously, you feel strongly about this.

It's entirely possible. I have a friend who lives in Colorado who joined this forum years ago and has only posted a few times. But he's very much a pro-liberty, Ron Paul / Libertarian guy.

 

[Suzanimal]

It's entirely possible. I have a friend who lives in Colorado who joined this forum years ago and has only posted a few times. But he's very much a pro-liberty, Ron Paul / Libertarian guy.

I wasn't doubting his/her sincerity. I just found it amusing.

 

[Suzu]

I wasn't doubting his/her sincerity. I just found it amusing.

Okay. And I wasn't implying that you doubt the person, either; I was just commenting about my friend. BTW here is one of his posts -- and he's only made three posts since he joined in April of 2008 -- worth a look:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...t-Where-Why!&p=1393879&viewfull=1#post1393879

 

[kill the banks]

good luck brian search toward truth and loving wisdom

the basics that the freemasons failed and the secret boys clubs

we need a complete restart

 

[wizardwatson]

You want to know exactly what's wrong with the "movement" and what caused it's downfall, Bryan?

Just listen to the strategic moron (Hans Herman Hoppe) in this video here originally posted by Conza88 in post #51. What he says in this minute and 17 second video pretty much sums up the problem (not that he addresses the problem, but that his attitude toward knowledge IS the problem):



Rothbard addresses these do-nothing people in Ethics of Liberty Chapter 30:

It might be thought that the libertarian, the person committed to the
"natural system of liberty" (in Adam Smith's phrase), almost by definition
holds the goal of liberty as his highest political end. But this is often not
true; for many libertarians, the desire for self-expression, or for bearing
witness to the truth of the excellence of liberty, frequently takes precedence
over the goal of the triumph of liberty in the real world. Yet surely,
as will be seen further below, the victory of liberty will never come to pass
unless the goal of victory in the real world takes precedence over more
esthetic and passive considerations.

In other words, until the Bryan's of the world take precedence over the Hoppe's of the world, it's going to be a hard journey.

 

[wizardwatson]

Can anyone part of site staff, or associated with this year+ old initiative comment on the status of this "new site vision"/initiative?

Are there still plans to have new branding with The Guide Point? Any work being done on this front in general? Anyone still interested?

I'm currently refining Bryan's ideas into a solid plan, and just wondering what overall level of activity is that I might not be seeing just as a forum member.

I've read this thread through along with all Bryan's threads associated with Foundational Knowledgebase and the MAF.

 

[wizardwatson]

So yeah, bumpy bump 'n stuff. Still kinda wanna know if this is still a thing. (see post #112)

 

[dannno]

It's not the Mod's/etc. job to create the content although they certainly can if they want.. what initiatives do you want to promote?

 

[Natural Citizen]

I'm gonna go through the OP line by line tomorrow when I have time. Thanks for the bump, wiz.

First things first really should be definition. And not just definition of liberty.

 

[wizardwatson]

It's not the Mod's/etc. job to create the content although they certainly can if they want.. what initiatives do you want to promote?

Well, I was just asking on the status of the new "The Guide Point" branding. If that was still a thing, and if there's any organizational initiatives still under consideration. I am working on something myself, have been for a little over a week, that is in the same spirit of what Bryan was getting at, only defines a solid process using the forum as a workspace.

Should be done by the end of the weekend.

But not asking "what is everyone doing" in general, but specifically with the "The Guide Point" branding. More like, is this active or abandoned. So non-answer kind of gives me a clue.

 

[wizardwatson]

I'm gonna go through the OP line by line tomorrow when I have time. Thanks for the bump, wiz.

First things first really should be definition. And not just definition of liberty.

I should have my write up on Bryan's thing, together with a defined process, by the end of the weekend. Essentially, Bryan's idea for a "Wiki" is really just developing a process for consensus on a mission/platform/definition document. I'm essentially writing up a very simplified forum-based "wiki" workflow that doesn't require anything fancy, and is easy for everyone to understand.

It will be like the Fisher Price version of Roberts Rules of Order, only implemented on a forum, with "meeting minutes" and reports via a Google Sheet that I've created, that does some basic reporting. That's the abstract.

Won't go into details, since it will be a time waste since I'm only a few days out from showing the whole thing. Better to spend time finishing than responding to questions about "where I'm at." I've been working on it since Oct. 10th.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I never started. It's kind of all in my head. Though, I've recently discovered the critical need for loyalty to that which we define and place into application (mission). Simply put, without definition, there can not be 1 - a mission, and 2 - loyalty to said mission.

For example. As a store owner, I might support competition next door. And I might even invite my competition over to discuss how we may grow the market itself in synergy. But why would I invite my competition into my store if he's only going to walk down my aisles knocking my product off the shelves and switch all of the labels around? Why would I invite him into my store if I know that he and his employees go back to his store to discuss how they're going to wreck my store in the future just by way of the fact that I let them in? Or discuss how they're going to recruit my employees. Hm? Why?

To expand on that single factor alone, a current guideline that we've established in support of our mission is that - Attempts to undermine the value of electoral politics or the legitimacy of the US constitution is in opposition of our mission.

That said, we spend a great deal of time fighting people who signed up in agreement of this principle by contract yet systematically work against it (walk down my aisles knocking my product off the shelves and switch all of the labels around.) This is counterproductive and a burden.

But there's so much more to say about other things, too, so there are points to be made specific line by line with regard to the OP.

But definition is number 1. And, again, not just a functional definition of liberty. There needs to be a functional definition of a few isms as well as their value to mission.

I should have my write up on Bryan's thing, together with a defined process, by the end of the weekend. Essentially, Bryan's idea for a "Wiki" is really just developing a process for consensus on a mission/platform/definition document. I'm essentially writing up a very simplified forum-based "wiki" workflow that doesn't require anything fancy, and is easy for everyone to understand.

It will be like the Fisher Price version of Roberts Rules of Order, only implemented on a forum, with "meeting minutes" and reports via a Google Sheet that I've created, that does some basic reporting. That's the abstract.

Won't go into details, since it will be a time waste since I'm only a few days out from showing the whole thing. Better to spend time finishing than responding to questions about "where I'm at." I've been working on it since Oct. 10th.

 

[Jamesiv1]

Shouldn't we take a poll about this?

 

[undergroundrr]

To expand on that single factor alone, a current guideline that we've established is in support of our mission is that - Attempts to undermine the value of electoral politics or the legitimacy of the US constitution is in opposition of our mission.

"More people are discovering that the system is all rigged, and that voting is just pacification for the voters and it really doesn’t count.” - Ron Paul

"Our Constitution, which was intended to limit government power and abuse, has failed. The Founders warned that a free society depends on a virtuous and moral people. The current crisis reflects that their concerns were justified." - Ron Paul