A Message to the Liberty Movement

[Christopher A. Brown]

It is safe to assume that northbreather can find no thread here that presents a viable plan for defending liberty.

Can you find one thread on the site that has a viable, lawful, peaceful strategy that will empower the people to defend and enforce the constitution?

The below does not constitute finding a thread here with a viable plan to defend liberty.

Uh yes. As I just said, spreading the idea of liberty in the form that fits the situation.

In other words.

Setting brush fires of liberty in the minds of your fellow men ( as the good doc has said to be paramount, time and again)

I'm certain that the hundreds of liberty related topics one can view on these forums each day do NOT serve as mere "distraction" from a "viable" strategy to obtain liberty.

I've already asked you to post a link to ONE, as you said that before, and you have not.. What you do is post the same assertion of your "certainty". Find a link to a "viable" strategy to obtain liberty" and post it!

 

[wizardwatson]

Its most likely a person with a controlled mind would pretend I didn't know that in the process of trying to compromise agreement upon prime constitutional intent enabling unity defending unalienable rights.

Do you agree and accept that the ultimate purpose of free speech is to enable unity adequate to alter or abolish government destructive to unalienable rights?

Ooooh! You are asking me directly.

Well, truth be told I don't believe in free speech. It's a fiction. There are no such things as "rights". God gave you no rights, he gave you commands. You think those are your words coming out of your mouth but they are not.

Proverbs 16:1 The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue, is from the LORD.

When you speak you think it's the truth because you think you own yourself. You don't own that either. You can't change one single thing about you.

Matthew 5:36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.

Freedom is an illusion. Only by becoming aware of our sin nature can we achieve any type of freedom. That is the truth.

So when you go around spewing your nonsense philosophy others are more aware of your error than you are. And since you self-identify with your words you become enraged when others don't acknowledge the wisdom you see in them. Your philosophy is nothing but vanity. You have some kind of psychologically embedded hero complex that's making you irrationally accuse others of being malevolent actors.

Only by acknowledging the holes and fallacies in the words you've clinged to will this delusion of yours melt away. You know nothing. None of us know anything either. All is His will. Seek the truth only. Do not seek to wield the truth. It cannot be wielded. It is a living truth. You cannot possess truth in such a way that you "catch it" but only in such a way that it catches you.

Eat more vegetables.

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

Enforcement seems to be the issue with grand juries. There is movement to get sheriffs on board. I think this is a great tool but most people don't come close to understanding the far reaching power juries have and the profound effect they will exert on society if used to their full potential.

Here is why we need a lawful and peaceful revolution to create authority for GJ's.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...rty-Movement&p=5864960&viewfull=1#post5864960

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

Ooooh! You are asking me directly.

Well, truth be told I don't believe in free speech. It's a fiction. There are no such things as "rights". God gave you no rights, he gave you commands. You think those are your words coming out of your mouth but they are not.



When you speak you think it's the truth because you think you own yourself. You don't own that either. You can't change one single thing about you.



Freedom is an illusion. Only by becoming aware of our sin nature can we achieve any type of freedom. That is the truth.

So when you go around spewing your nonsense philosophy others are more aware of your error than you are. And since you self-identify with your words you become enraged when others don't acknowledge the wisdom you see in them. Your philosophy is nothing but vanity. You have some kind of psychologically embedded hero complex that's making you irrationally accuse others of being malevolent actors.

Only by acknowledging the holes and fallacies in the words you've clinged to will this delusion of yours melt away. You know nothing. None of us know anything either. All is His will. Seek the truth only. Do not seek to wield the truth. It cannot be wielded. It is a living truth. You cannot possess truth in such a way that you "catch it" but only in such a way that it catches you.

Eat more vegetables.

^ = evasion.

 

[wizardwatson]

^ = evasion.

Denial of the assertions underlying your question is not an evasion.

Answering the loaded question which violates my core belief system would be evading myself and pretending to be someone I'm not.

That would be more akin to evasion in an indirect way.

You're just being whiney.

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

Accountability? Anyone????

Northbreather says he is certain there is a viable plan somewhere on the forum to defend liberty, but cannot post a link to one.

AF bashes a plan to defend liberty and refuses to agree or accept that free speech has the ultimate purpose of enabling unity adequate to alter or abolish government destructive to unalienable rights.

Unfounded speculation within implied constitutional intent which has never been reasonably shown to be otherwise.

Let's try it for 6 months to see what happens. But do you feel liberty, rights and the constitution are worth it?

How much progress has your plan of action produced in the last 6 months? Ah, what is that pian BTW?

The wizwat evades. No wonder tyranny is looming over us with this kind of unaccountable dysfunction. Can this be by accident? Doubtful IF those posters are sincere Americans concerned about what is happening in America.

 

[jllundqu]

Being the ignorant pig that in some ways I am, could anyone explain to me the value of the 10th Amendment? I see nothing there but the door to tyranny standing widely ajar. The 9th was all that was needed and is correct. Semantically speaking, the 10th places the state above the individual, and puts them in competition for those rights to which reference is made. At the very least I would have reversed to order to say "to the people or to the States." This is just another subtle, but very serious error on the part of the authors.

Were the Framers out of ideas in a world where they just had to have a nice round number of Amendments, like ten? Clearly, I must be missing something.

All that said, how does the measure in question make the 10th work properly? What is its proper function? I see this as making the 9th work properly, or does the 10th speak to "the people" not as individuals but as a governing body? That last bit just came to me. It is correct?

In the immortal words of Dubya, "The Constitution is just a god damned piece of paper."

Osan. Your points are well taken. I would posit even if the founders and framers (picture framers, to use your analogy) had crafted a near 'perfect' document, the human experience and human nature itself would, and does, render such expressions as meaningless. "Interpretations" and the like leave the individual at the mercy of would-be tyrants and despots.

 

[wizardwatson]

Northbreather says he is certain there is a viable plan somewhere on the forum to defend liberty, but cannot post a link to one.

AF bashes a plan to defend liberty and refuses to agree or accept that free speech has the ultimate purpose of enabling unity adequate to alter or abolish government destructive to unalienable rights.



The wizwat evades. No wonder tyranny is looming over us with this kind of unaccountable dysfunction. Can this be by accident? Doubtful IF those posters are sincere Americans concerned about what is happening in America.

Are you the Gestapo? Come to round us all up?

There is no strategy for liberty, friend. Read last chapter of Ethics of Liberty if you need a clue.

The fact that you have an infintesimal inkling of a shadow of a clue about that is completely BLINDING you to the fact that all your posts are EQUALLY empty on that front as well.

All I read is:

Path to liberty:

Step #1: We all need to discuss and agree that my assertion that us talking and agreeing will lead to liberty.
Step #2: See Step #1.

I pity you in a way because this psychosis no doubt stems from some misguided frustration you have with the suffering going on in the world. But you are not the savior. You are as much to blame for the suffering in the world as the next guy.

You are the one evading your own despair. Confront and accept it. You cannot change yourself if you have no awareness of yourself.

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

wiz, you completely ignore that the framers defined a right to alter or abolish, and instead try to assert that I demand people agree with me. I assert that the framers has a naturally limited vision into the masses and mass media or its potentials. They assumed that people would be united as those were at the time of the revolutionary war.

Are you the Gestapo? Come to round us all up?

There is no strategy for liberty, friend. Read last chapter of Ethics of Liberty if you need a clue.

The fact that you have an infintesimal inkling of a shadow of a clue about that is completely BLINDING you to the fact that all your posts are EQUALLY empty on that front as well.

All I read is:

Path to liberty:

Step #1: We all need to discuss and agree that my assertion that us talking and agreeing will lead to liberty.
Step #2: See Step #1.

I pity you in a way because this psychosis no doubt stems from some misguided frustration you have with the suffering going on in the world. But you are not the savior. You are as much to blame for the suffering in the world as the next guy.

You are the one evading your own despair. Confront and accept it. You cannot change yourself if you have no awareness of yourself.

Basically I read someone trying to make excuses for their own refusal to unify for the protection of unalienable rights. This is exactly what covert agents in a group will do, and they will work together to try and make it look normal. So you fit in.

Critical thinking anyone? Are you going along with the wiz's efforts to make the Declaration of Independence go away?

 

[HVACTech]

In the immortal words of Dubya, "The Constitution is just a god damned piece of paper."

Osan. Your points are well taken. I would posit even if the founders and framers (picture framers, to use your analogy) had crafted a near 'perfect' document, the human experience and human nature itself would, and does, render such expressions as meaningless. "Interpretations" and the like leave the individual at the mercy of would-be tyrants and despots.

wow dude, that was like MAJOR profound...

the founders wrote about human nature in the Federalist papers.

 

[osan]

In the immortal words of Dubya, "The Constitution is just a god damned piece of paper."

Osan. Your points are well taken. I would posit even if the founders and framers (picture framers, to use your analogy) had crafted a near 'perfect' document, the human experience and human nature itself would, and does, render such expressions as meaningless. "Interpretations" and the like leave the individual at the mercy of would-be tyrants and despots.

This is the precise point I have been making for years. It is a good thing to have a well crafted constitution, if you are going to have one at all, but at the end of the day it is nothing on its own. The people are what make it real and who give it its manifest effect. Was it Jefferson... Paine, perhaps, who said that a people who are ill-educated cannot become free or remain so for very long. Knowledge and attitude are inseparable from one's state of being able to live in accord with their inherent freedom.

Freedom is a LOT of work. Being a slave is far and away easier. Most appear to prefer ease over freedom - a most depressing truth, the fundamental character of which reminds me of Salem's Lot where the one character, after having been rescued from the fangs of the vampire tells his friends that not only was he unable to escape, but that he no longer wanted to. That is very much the analogy that describes the American circumstance today.

 

[HVACTech]

This is the precise point I have been making for years. It is a good thing to have a well crafted constitution, if you are going to have one at all, but at the end of the day it is nothing on its own. The people are what make it real and who give it its manifest effect. Was it Jefferson... Paine, perhaps, who said that a people who are ill-educated cannot become free or remain so for very long. Knowledge and attitude are inseparable from one's state of being able to live in accord with their inherent freedom.

Freedom is a LOT of work. Being a slave is far and away easier. Most appear to prefer ease over freedom - a most depressing truth, the fundamental character of which reminds me of Salem's Lot where the one character, after having been rescued from the fangs of the vampire tells his friends that not only was he unable to escape, but that he no longer wanted to. That is very much the analogy that describes the American circumstance today.

wow dude, that was like MAJOR profound.

the founders wrote extensively about human nature in the federalist papers.

 

[wizardwatson]

wiz, you completely ignore that the framers defined a right to alter or abolish, and instead try to assert that I demand people agree with me. I assert that the framers has a naturally limited vision into the masses and mass media or its potentials. They assumed that people would be united as those were at the time of the revolutionary war.

Basically I read someone trying to make excuses for their own refusal to unify for the protection of unalienable rights. This is exactly what covert agents in a group will do, and they will work together to try and make it look normal. So you fit in.

Critical thinking anyone? Are you going along with the wiz's efforts to make the Declaration of Independence go away?

Oh, so you're demanding people agree with the slave-owning rich fat cat framers then? I see.

As far as the revolutionary war goes. That was a color revolution fomented by the NGO known as the Sons of Liberty. What great injustice was being done to poor people by England that the U.S. didn't continue? We kept slavery longer than England did. This country was started by mercantilist opportunists.

I worship God. Not the founding of this country and associated actors.

Jefferson was smart but so is Rand Paul. And we see what is required of smart men to play well with others. The declaration of independence was a nice piece of writing that pleased the masses. Made them sound oppressed and dignified. "All men are created equal" except the guy who does my laundry.

I actually am a covert agent though now that I think about it. For Jesus. I can't reveal all the details at this time but soon, my friend, soon.

 

[Anti Federalist]

They assumed that people would be united as those were at the time of the revolutionary war.

But that's just it, they were not united, not by a long shot.

Any critical reading of the times leading up to 1775 and after, show huge rifts between the New England radicals, the mid-Atlantic planters, landed gentry and mercantilists and the antebellum south.

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

But that's just it, they were not united, not by a long shot.

Any critical reading of the times leading up to 1775 and after, show huge rifts between the New England radicals, the mid-Atlantic planters, landed gentry and mercantilists and the antebellum south.

True enough, but those differences were well dissolved by a common understanding adequately accepted to successfully wage a war.

The spoken word was fairly consistent with the printed and when it was not, people knew it and knew why. With that the purpose of free speech was intact and functioning much more than today.

 

[wizardwatson]

True enough, but those differences were well dissolved by a common understanding adequately accepted to successfully wage a war.

The spoken word was fairly consistent with the printed and when it was not, people knew it and knew why. With that the purpose of free speech was intact and functioning much more than today.

You know how you get people to fight in a war, Chris? You pay them. Nothing else is required really.

You're willingness to lie is becoming very transparent.

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

I worship God. Not the founding of this country and associated actors.

Wiz and the covert disciples.

Ya musta' missed Gods natural law awakening of those hanging out with Indians.

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

You know how you get people to fight in a war, Chris? You pay them. Nothing else is required really.

You're willingness to lie is becoming very transparent.

Did you miss a lesson with God in representation with fidelity to common knowledge?

 

[wizardwatson]

Wiz and the covert disciples.

Ya musta' missed Gods natural law awakening of those hanging out with Indians.

Yes, that's what RPF is. Chocked full of my disciples.

You do realize that this is a bulletin board and not an organization right? I mean, it's objectively just a shared document that multiple anonymous people can edit. Are you aware of ANYONE here being a member of anything? I see a few "Stand With Rand" logos attached to avatars but other than that not much in the way of organization.

 

[wizardwatson]

Did you miss a lesson with God in representation with fidelity to common knowledge?

God has a plan for the US. It's much more akin to Project Mayhem than some hippy revolution.