A Message to the Liberty Movement

[Anti Federalist]

Why don't we stick to the original topic as to how to get these grand juries put in place?

Good idea...I'm out.

Carry on.

 

[osan]

Oh god, I'm done with you and HVACTech.

I try to talk rationally to you and now I, along with osan and Gunny are agents.

I guess the jig is up, AF... we've been discovered and outed. Yes, we are CIA plants, paid for by ISIS and CPUSA, not to mention NOW, NAACP, SPLC, and the entire MIC.

I am going to the local sheriff to turn myself in that I may pay my debt to society.

 

[osan]

Closing the thread won't stop it.

But a black bag team, on the other hand, would.

 

[osan]

Why don't we stick to the original topic as to how to get these grand juries put in place?

A laudable notion. However, before doing so should we not get to the question I raised regarding whether such things can actually be done? CPUd posted here to the effect that this is a scam. I have no way of evaluating this in what I would call "reasonable" time, and posed the question to others as to whether this idea is meritorious or hogwash. I do not believe there has yet been a clear and complete answer. Perhaps this should be first addressed prior to devoting energy into making it happen.

 

[DaninPA]

I enjoy reading differing opinions on the Constitution, the current state of affairs and what to do about it, but IMO this thread is a bunch of you pissing into the wind

 

[dude58677]

A laudable notion. However, before doing so should we not get to the question I raised regarding whether such things can actually be done? CPUd posted here to the effect that this is a scam. I have no way of evaluating this in what I would call "reasonable" time, and posed the question to others as to whether this idea is meritorious or hogwash. I do not believe there has yet been a clear and complete answer. Perhaps this should be first addressed prior to devoting energy into making it happen.

Yes, we look for a Tea Party government and propose the idea whether it is local or State.

 

[HVACTech]

I enjoy reading differing opinions on the Constitution, the current state of affairs and what to do about it, but IMO this thread is a bunch of you pissing into the wind

it really is hard to learn about our Constitution with SO many trashing it.
everybody knows the DOI was passed on july 4th 1776, few know that we got our first constitution in 1781. (the articles of confederation)
this lasted, and was MUCH discussed until we got our 2nd Constitution. in 1788.
it was not until 1791 that the BOR was added.

in this way, it can be seen that they were three separate and distinct documents. and yet, they are symbiotic.

I support restoring our Republic and 2nd Constitution.

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

Why don't we stick to the original topic as to how to get these grand juries put in place?

If you had been reading you would know we need a lawful and peaceful revolution to return authority to the GJ's. Common law GJ's have no authority since the act of 1871.

We have covert agents working here to cloud the environment of agreement between sincere Americans upon prime constitutional intent which is required to conduct a lawful peaceful revolution.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?471555-A-lawful-and-peaceful-revolution

If you really want to see the GJ's operating, act independently of the social influence of the covert agents and agree that the ultimate purpose of free speech is to enable the unity required to effectively alter or abolish government destructive to unalienable rights.

Realize that the Bill of Rights is deficient and that deficiency has caused far more vulnerability to usurpation than can be described.

 

[HVACTech]

Yes, we look for a Tea Party government and propose the idea whether it is local or State.

the expressed purpose of our Constitution was to unite the states. without it, we would probably look a lot like the middle east.

it was NOT written to, for or about ANYTHING to do with the "PEOPLE"

the BOR was added later.. think of it as...
"instructions" on how to amend.

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

Why don't we stick to the original topic as to how to get these grand juries put in place?

Good idea...I'm out.

Carry on.

Except the act of 1871 ended the jurisdiction of common law. So you you recommend people waste time on GJ's rather than creating jurisdictional authority for them first by conducting a lawful and peaceful revolution as is fully possible IF Americans agree upon prime constitutional intent which you and osan oppose. Poorly however because you are both unaccountable.

 

[dude58677]

the expressed purpose of our Constitution was to unite the states. without it, we would probably look a lot like the middle east.

it was NOT written to, for or about ANYTHING to do with the "PEOPLE"

the BOR was added later.. think of it as...
"instructions" on how to amend.

The OP was about using grand juries to hold public officials accountable for violations of the Constitution. How do we do this?

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

Some of Brown's points are actually very good and well thought as far as actual process. And I agree with him in scope but I wouldn't go so far as to place the people that he is placing into the phenomenon. As well, I wouldn't necessarily just assume that it would be government infiltration. It'd be more in tune with private entities.

So, good points and actually a great observation as a whole (meaning the way this stuff goes down sometimes on boards like this) when it comes to this stuff, but, as I said, I wouldn't tie the people that Brown ties into the phenomenon as he does here.

A thoughtful comment. Consider, the web forums limits and the great need to establish fidelity to the intents of the constitution, OR, filter out the insincere that will NOT, cannot contribute to unity as a part of their agenda.

We do not have time to allow the covert infiltrators ANY credence. No one that is unwilling to unify around prime constitutional intent for the purposes of altering or abolishing can have any effect on the steamroller that has been created with partisan politics, the dumbing down and media manipulation.

Consider, there is absolutely NO SACRIFICE of anything required to simply humor me and say, "Sure, I can agree and accept that the ultimate purpose of free speech is to enable the unity needed to alter or abolish government destructive to our rights".

Can one person reasonably define how making such a statement and commitment work against our efforts to restore the 1787 constitution to full power over the federal government? One?

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

The OP was about using grand juries to hold public officials accountable for violations of the Constitution. How do we do this?

The GJ is a righteously constitutional legal mechanism, that was totally disabled by supreme court actions that were a part of the act of 1871.

We do it by first nullifying the act of 1871 through Article V. Then purging the supreme court of unconstitutional justices by public inquiry using ORDERS TO SHOW CAUSE, under Article V authority upon the justices. They must show cause to be deemed fully constitutional officials.

Essentially agreeing and accepting that the first thing Americans can participate in together is to alter or abolish AFTER using the purpose of free speech to unify and do it correctly, establishing constitutional intent. The people are the only entity that can define constitutional intent. All officials at all levels in all states need to agree and accept that, more, empower that.

They NEED to do it because we NEED to alter or abolish and unity is the only way to get it done. These are not called the united states for nothing.

 

[HVACTech]

The OP was about using grand juries to hold public officials accountable for violations of the Constitution. How do we do this?

I cannot answer your question.
what I do know, is that this is up to the dept of justice.
they are the first line of defense.

but really and truly, it is up to an educated people...
the founders understood MOST people are both stupid and docile.
this is why they chose a Republic with representatives..

As long as we keep sending dumbfucks up there... things will not change.
just to be clear, democracy is against the law in this country.

the founders included the democratic PROCESS to keep them honest.

use it.

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

the expressed purpose of our Constitution was to unite the states. without it, we would probably look a lot like the middle east.

it was NOT written to, for or about ANYTHING to do with the "PEOPLE"

Yes, but that unification of states was to happen under constitutional intent which the people define. How else would they know when unalienable rights were violated? How else besides sing the purpose of free speech would they unify adequately to alter or abolish government destructive to those rights?

When the constitution was first created the people were in basic agreement. There were not that many and their sympathies were well enough known by the elite framers to be well represented in the unifying efforts of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of RIghts.

My point is that there are minor deficiencies in those three documents that the loyalist mentality has exploited for 226 years greatly weakening the American ability to know even the original constitutional intent, let alone an upgraded version valid to our contemporary world.

The agreement I strive to initiate is the beginning of that upgrade. When people use it to purify state officials, then this officials conduct Article V with constitutional intent, the upgrade begins. That is the completion of preparatory amendment.

Preparatory amendment make the nation of people of states constitutional enough, along with state officials, to properly, VERY carefully, continue amending and amend the fucking infiltrated federal government completely out of business!

You crack me up! "the middle east"

 

[Anti Federalist]

Except the act of 1871 ended the jurisdiction of common law. So you you recommend people waste time on GJ's rather than creating jurisdictional authority for them first by conducting a lawful and peaceful revolution as is fully possible IF Americans agree upon prime constitutional intent which you and osan oppose. Poorly however because you are both unaccountable.

You don't read a thing do you?

 

[HVACTech]

You don't read a thing do you?

Entropy, is about the FLOW of energy..

I did it in 7 words!

does this mean OSAN complimented me?
or did he mean it in a potential or kinetic fashion?

sir, by the VERY definition of the term.
an "anti-federalist" stands in violent OPPOSITION to the 2nd Constitution.

would you like to explain Entropy? or YOUR position on this matter?



smartass.

 

[HVACTech]

Yes, but that unification of states was to happen under constitutional intent which the people define. How else would they know when unalienable rights were violated? How else besides sing the purpose of free speech would they unify adequately to alter or abolish government destructive to those rights?

When the constitution was first created the people were in basic agreement. There were not that many and their sympathies were well enough known by the elite framers to be well represented in the unifying efforts of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of RIghts.

My point is that there are minor deficiencies in those three documents that the loyalist mentality has exploited for 226 years greatly weakening the American ability to know even the original constitutional intent, let alone an upgraded version valid to our contemporary world.

The agreement I strive to initiate is the beginning of that upgrade. When people use it to purify state officials, then this officials conduct Article V with constitutional intent, the upgrade begins. That is the completion of preparatory amendment.

Preparatory amendment make the nation of people of states constitutional enough, along with state officials, to properly, VERY carefully, continue amending and amend the fucking infiltrated federal government completely out of business!

You crack me up! "the middle east"

dude, I try to be nice to people.

I have mastered HVAC/R. yes, I AM aware you do not know what that means.
we have two sayings,
if you cannot dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.
and.
if thou art shall piss off thy service tech, thou art shall pay more.

AF and OSAN have pissed me off.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Entropy, is about the FLOW of energy..

I did it in 7 words!

does this mean OSAN complimented me?
or did he mean it in a potential or kinetic fashion?

sir, by the VERY definition of the term.
an "anti-federalist" stands in violent OPPOSITION to the 2nd Constitution.

would you like to explain Entropy? or YOUR position on this matter?



smartass.

I already have, numerous times, in a much more clear and understandable way.

Go home, your brain is fried on refrigerant fumes...

 

[Anti Federalist]

Oh, and BTW way HVACTech, you never answered me from before:

These people stood in violent opposition to the 2nd Constitution and the authority granted by it.

Should they have been gunned down or arrested en masse by the federal forces there?