A libertarian who whines about the MSM is a cry-baby HYPOCRITE

[Redcard]

Any evidence to back that up? Nope. Just stupidity. How's the Soviet Union doing?

Have you noticed that AT&T owns everything again?

God , you're a farking dumbass. If you were actually not in diapers in 1980 , you'd have remembered all this crap, when AT&T owned everyone, and the government broke them up, and deregulated to let "competitors" back in.

 

[CelestialRender]

Corporate Fascism != Capitalism.

The media conglomerates in the US are vast corporations propped up by government largesse, and favorable legislation, just like most of our other major corporations.

And as long as WE are not allowed to freely speak by donating as much as we want, when we want, how we want, to whichever candidate we want, THEY certainly should not be given greater freedoms than a true flesh-and-blood individual.

 

[CelestialRender]

You think that if it was deregulated that the big dogs wouldn't own everything?

Look at Walmart. It's killing companies. Look at areas of the world that have less regulation.. the bigger companies dominate the smaller ones.

Why do you think that it'd be any different on TV if it were dergeulated. HELL, look at what happened with deregulation in the Telephone market. It closed up and now AT&T is right where it was 30 years ago, only now, they're even MORE powerful.

That's because those same giants are still being propped up by big government. Deregulating A PART doesn't do any good; it's deregulating THE WHOLE that makes fundamental change.

With massive, widespread deregulation, you would see a flourish of small business and local competition.

 

[evandi]

I'm very sick of this "argument". In a libertarian society people take it upon themselves to correct problems in fair ways. Thus we complain and organize boycotts and stuff.

This type of behavior is MORE important in a libertarian society and not LESS important.

In a statist society, the government pretends to do everything for us so that we never take responsibility upon ourselves to organize boycotts or try to sway people to alternatives.

ONCE AGAIN. IT IS MORE IMPORTANT IN A LIBERTARIAN SOCIETY TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THESE THINGS THEN IT IS IN A STATIST SOCIETY. OK? ENOUGH.

Libertarians have the MOST incentive to speak out, not the LEAST. We do not clamor for the government to solve the problem, we only want them to not create the problem.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Have you noticed that AT&T owns everything again?

God , you're a farking dumbass. If you were actually not in diapers in 1980 , you'd have remembered all this crap, when AT&T owned everyone, and the government broke them up, and deregulated to let "competitors" back in.

AT&T owns everything because of government. They made it so people like me can't start our own phone companies.

 

[jrich4rpaul]

I do have to agree, that this may spark the beginning of a new, honest media network that will take over.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I do have to agree, that this may spark the beginning of a new, honest media network that will take over.

yeah right lol

 

[Redcard]

AT&T owns everything because of government. They made it so people like me can't start our own phone companies.

Really?

Vonage and all the VOIP companies would disagree.

See, the companies deregulated, and everyone was allowed in, and actually, quite a few came in to the game.

But, bit by bit.. piece by piece.. they were eaten up.

You're welcome to enter the game now, if you wanted. The phone lines are deregulated. You can, if you want, make deals one on one with various state and local entities to get line sharing. Google themselves are rumored to be negotiating right now.

But, you won't make a profit. And if you began to, AT&T would come in and buy you out of the game.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Really?

Vonage and all the VOIP companies would disagree.

See, the companies deregulated, and everyone was allowed in, and actually, quite a few came in to the game.

But, bit by bit.. piece by piece.. they were eaten up.

You're welcome to enter the game now, if you wanted. The phone lines are deregulated. You can, if you want, make deals one on one with various state and local entities to get line sharing. Google themselves are rumored to be negotiating right now.

But, you won't make a profit. And if you began to, AT&T would come in and buy you out of the game.

No, it's not deregulated. I'm not allowed to. And, besides, the phone lines are socialized, this is what plays into the belief that free markets don't work.

 

[DeanToPaulIn4Years]

How fucking stupid. COMPLAINING ABOUT IT IS NOT SAYING IT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL.

They're free to lie and distort. The people are free to call them out on it, try to bring about change in their behavior and vote with their clicker.

But seriously, if you're still watching cable or television news, you're REALLY wasting your time.

 

[nuklbone]

They're not just in it for the money, they KNOW they have control over the people.

There is really no way to respond to a statement like that. You have moved beyond facts and reason into the realm of emotional paranoia.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

There is really no way to respond to a statement like that. You have moved beyond facts and reason into the realm of emotional paranoia.

Shut up. They don't have any control over people? The media is the one that got McCain back in the race, are you fucking blind?

 

[danda]

BZZZZT.

The FCC holds a monopoly on the airwaves and doles them out to private companies. Very few channels are available, and are ridiculously expensive. This guaranteed for decades that only THE BIG GUYS could play in this market. There were giant STAY OUT signs for the rest of us. Indeed, it is ILLEGAL for anyone else to broadcast on these frequencies.

If government didn't get involved, I don't know how things would've turned out, but differently I'm sure.

Look at the fact that cell phones and cordless phones broadcast privately all over the place without (much) interference.

The market would've devised a solution that did not require toadying up to washington beaurocrats.

Of course, today we have cable which has somewhat broken the stranglehold, and the internet, which has mostly escaped.

But we are still paying the price for those many decades during which our parents and grandparents were effectively brainwashed.

I dunno, honestly. I think that the government holds back these companies more than it "unfairly helps them." For example, Murdoch, without any help from the government, (as seen by his domination of European media WITHOUT the restricts that the US Government has) could easily take over the majority of all the news outlets in the US.

But he can't, because FCC rules prohibit a ton of ownership options that he could have made.

So.. I dunno. I think if this were truly a free market, you'd be very disappointed by the offerings still.

 

[Hayek]

Sure they can do whatever they want, but so can we. If I get a bad burger...I tell the better business bureau and let my friends know to avoid that restaurant. The same is true when we get false or incomplete News from the MSM.

Problem is, there are not a lot of other media options...and you have to wonder why.

 

[Dan Klaus]

I think MTV is starting the see the light...selling Ron Paul's ideas can be profitable for them...hope the trend continues..

 

[mconder]

"I'm guilty too. I'll admit it. But stop and think about what we are saying. CNN, Fox News, etc. are private corporations."

They cease to be private the moment the people in our government decide what is news. Since many of the executives of the MSN, belong to public policy making organizations (CFR, Tilateral Commission, and Bilderberg) and in some cases the government itself, so they no longer hold private status in my eyes since they operate on behalf of the ruling class. If it wasn't for the Internet, Ron Paul would be a no body right now...an unknown Congressman from Texas.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

I agree with you guys that say the regulations should be lifted that make the market hard to enter. That is an important element of a free market. Like rules in a ball game. Competition only works as long as everyone has to follow the rules and the rules are the same for both teams.

But the fact still remains that these cable news channels are in business to make money. THEY DO NOT OWE US ANYTHING. When we sit around and whine about how they are a bunch of jerks and how unfair it is that they don't cover Ron Paul, it puts them in control of our success or failure.

They have been given a government issued monopoly that includes a requirement for public service providing real information. They DO owe us something until the broadcast market becomes 'free'.

 

[Thumper]

The free market works. When there is demand, someone will eventually find a way to profit by meeting that demand. Judging from the enormous energy of this Ron Paul Revolution, it is obvious that there is a huge amount of pent up demand for a different type of coverage than what is currently available on a mainstream level. That hunger for better coverage creates a demand that someone will eventually fill if they can find a way to make it profitable.

It's not bad or good, fair or unfair. It's just the free market. Supply & demand.

Ummm...one of the ways we can see the free market at work is a large group of people bitching and complaining about a product that is inherently bad in an attempt to reveal the inequity to other consumers in the market.

We aren't hypocrites, we are one of the forces that makes the free market work. We are what so many economic philosophers are talking about when they say "the market will take care of it".

 

[Redcard]

BZZZZT.

The FCC holds a monopoly on the airwaves and doles them out to private companies. Very few channels are available, and are ridiculously expensive. This guaranteed for decades that only THE BIG GUYS could play in this market. There were giant STAY OUT signs for the rest of us. Indeed, it is ILLEGAL for anyone else to broadcast on these frequencies.

Name a single all news network that goes out over "The Airwaves."

Just one.

 

[nuklbone]

Name a single all news network that goes out over "The Airwaves."

Just one.

Yeah, the news channels we mainly complain about are the cable news channels. I think that is a different situation than a free broadcast station.