A libertarian who whines about the MSM is a cry-baby HYPOCRITE

nuklbone

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I'm guilty too. I'll admit it. But stop and think about what we are saying. CNN, Fox News, etc. are private corporations. They have the right to say whatever they want and cover whatever candidates they want. They don't owe us anything. Are we suggesting that they should be controlled or restricted in some way? As long as they keep up their ratings and sell commercials, they are doing their job.

The free market works. When there is demand, someone will eventually find a way to profit by meeting that demand. Judging from the enormous energy of this Ron Paul Revolution, it is obvious that there is a huge amount of pent up demand for a different type of coverage than what is currently available on a mainstream level. That hunger for better coverage creates a demand that someone will eventually fill if they can find a way to make it profitable.

It's not bad or good, fair or unfair. It's just the free market. Supply & demand.
 
lol, it never bothered me so much, more than it annoyed me

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I've thought about this too, and wondered why no one has brought it up against him? I wonder if that also is what keeps him from making a scene when he's being ignored, because he can basically be shut out by someone saying "This is what you're trying to make"

ETA: But like you said, he is encouraging people to find new options, and that's what we're doing and being successful with it
 
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i wouldn't have a problem with it if this were actually a free market. there are so many regulations on starting companies these days and the media's become almost a cartel sustained by the government. if this were a free market then we'd have no reason to complain
 
I'm pretty sure they are entrusted with...

I'm guilty too. I'll admit it. But stop and think about what we are saying. CNN, Fox News, etc. are private corporations. They have the right to say whatever they want and cover whatever candidates they want. They don't owe us anything. Are we suggesting that they should be controlled or restricted in some way? As long as they keep up their ratings and sell commercials, they are doing their job.

The free market works. When there is demand, someone will eventually find a way to profit by meeting that demand. Judging from the enormous energy of this Ron Paul Revolution, it is obvious that there is a huge amount of pent up demand for a different type of coverage than what is currently available on a mainstream level. That hunger for better coverage creates a demand that someone will eventually fill if they can find a way to make it profitable.

It's not bad or good, fair or unfair. It's just the free market. Supply & demand.

the public airwaves to report the news.:confused: But then the FCC is the one selling us out.
 
We want free market health care too. But we don't want doctors deciding who should live or die.
 
Does that mean I can have my own national news program and say whatever I want? Or is there regulation stopping me?
 
the public airwaves to report the news.:confused: But then the FCC is the one selling us out.

Show me where it says they are "entrusted" to report the news fairly and without bias.

And, also, let me remind you that Fox News Channel is a CABLE network, not an "over the air" network.
 
I'm guilty too. I'll admit it. But stop and think about what we are saying. CNN, Fox News, etc. are private corporations. They have the right to say whatever they want and cover whatever candidates they want. They don't owe us anything. Are we suggesting that they should be controlled or restricted in some way? As long as they keep up their ratings and sell commercials, they are doing their job.

The free market works. When there is demand, someone will eventually find a way to profit by meeting that demand. Judging from the enormous energy of this Ron Paul Revolution, it is obvious that there is a huge amount of pent up demand for a different type of coverage than what is currently available on a mainstream level. That hunger for better coverage creates a demand that someone will eventually fill if they can find a way to make it profitable.

It's not bad or good, fair or unfair. It's just the free market. Supply & demand.
You're right...

Television networks, newspapers, radio stations, etc. are private businesses and act in a manner that will produce revenue. That's their goal. Some pride themselves and think it's in their business interest to be unbiased and neutral, and others intentionally fill a niche.

...with all of that said, I'm still not happy. I wish he did get more coverage, but it's still their choice... Hopefully, another network can capitalize off of the bias and takeover the market share by using an fair and unbiased approach. That's why we need to continue to spread the word, so as to enrage people.
 
We think private companies should be left alone by the government, but it does not follow that we should endorse or be happy with everything private companies do.

None of us suggest that the government should intervene.

Rather, we find creative voluntary ways to express our disapproval.
 
I disagree - libertarians beleive that they have a right to do this, just like someone has the right to be disrespectful towards others. But that doesnt mean we think people should be, nor does it mean we think the press should be so disrespectful to Ron Paul.
 
No but think about this. The reason the media censors us is because they are in collusion with the government. When corporations are able to lobby to the government to get handouts and privileges they have a very specific reason to only cover certain people and shape the minds of the masses. If the government was only doing the things it is supposed to do, the corporations would have no reason to lobby the government because it couldn't give them favors.

I'm guilty too. I'll admit it. But stop and think about what we are saying. CNN, Fox News, etc. are private corporations. They have the right to say whatever they want and cover whatever candidates they want. They don't owe us anything. Are we suggesting that they should be controlled or restricted in some way? As long as they keep up their ratings and sell commercials, they are doing their job.

The free market works. When there is demand, someone will eventually find a way to profit by meeting that demand. Judging from the enormous energy of this Ron Paul Revolution, it is obvious that there is a huge amount of pent up demand for a different type of coverage than what is currently available on a mainstream level. That hunger for better coverage creates a demand that someone will eventually fill if they can find a way to make it profitable.

It's not bad or good, fair or unfair. It's just the free market. Supply & demand.
 
A libertarian who whines about the MSM is a cry-baby HYPOCRITE

If you understand libertarian philosophy and if you understand economics in general, your statement is absolutely wrong.

In order to faciliate well functioning markets, FRAUD IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. Fraud is a crime, and it should be a crime. MSM, by pretending to be unbiased journalists, are commiting fraud.

Libertarianism suggests market solutions for fraud. It's true that watchdog groups will spring up and people will listen to them. In this case, we're the watchdog group. Show me a media conglomerate that isn't committing fraud by pretending that they're unbiased.

Fraud is not acceptable if you're a libertarian.
 
I'm guilty too. I'll admit it. But stop and think about what we are saying. CNN, Fox News, etc. are private corporations. They have the right to say whatever they want and cover whatever candidates they want. They don't owe us anything. Are we suggesting that they should be controlled or restricted in some way? As long as they keep up their ratings and sell commercials, they are doing their job.

The free market works. When there is demand, someone will eventually find a way to profit by meeting that demand. Judging from the enormous energy of this Ron Paul Revolution, it is obvious that there is a huge amount of pent up demand for a different type of coverage than what is currently available on a mainstream level. That hunger for better coverage creates a demand that someone will eventually fill if they can find a way to make it profitable.

It's not bad or good, fair or unfair. It's just the free market. Supply & demand.

You are correct.....only to the degree that they don't fraudulently cloak themselves in the mantle of the "4th Estate." If they will drop the pretense, and openly confess that the only difference between the National Enquirer, the Weekly World News, and themselves is that they have an undeserved reputation for journalistic integrity (by comparison), and a frightening degree of access to the halls of power, most of us would stop complaining. Until they come clean with the American public, and drop the deception, I and others will continue to be indignant, as is our right.
 
I'm guilty too. I'll admit it. But stop and think about what we are saying. CNN, Fox News, etc. are private corporations. They have the right to say whatever they want and cover whatever candidates they want. They don't owe us anything. Are we suggesting that they should be controlled or restricted in some way? As long as they keep up their ratings and sell commercials, they are doing their job.

The free market works. When there is demand, someone will eventually find a way to profit by meeting that demand. Judging from the enormous energy of this Ron Paul Revolution, it is obvious that there is a huge amount of pent up demand for a different type of coverage than what is currently available on a mainstream level. That hunger for better coverage creates a demand that someone will eventually fill if they can find a way to make it profitable.

It's not bad or good, fair or unfair. It's just the free market. Supply & demand.

These private Corps have a goverment backed monopoly to hold onto public airwaves. I really think this is getting into the Antitrust realm
 
Wouldn't an extension of the libertarian ideal be against monopolistic / collusional companies since they become de facto governing bodies?

The amount of regulation, red tape and the subsidies prevents real "free markets" in media. That is why we rail against them.
 
Libertarianism suggests market solutions for fraud. It's true that watchdog groups will spring up and people will listen to them. In this case, we're the watchdog group. Show me a media conglomerate that isn't committing fraud by pretending that they're unbiased.

Exactly. How will the market properly respond if we don't whine and raise a big stink over this? The more we use our freedom of speech to spread the word about the media's faults, the faster a market solution will transpire. All this complaining and boycotting has already cost Fox some viewers and credibility....now Fox gets to choose money or bias. And I hope Rupert chokes on his decision, whatever it may be. God bless the free market. :D
 
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