a letter and response from the constitution party...

[Minuteman2008]

I read a while back that Dr. Jerome Corsi will probably be the Constitution Party candidate.

 

[Original_Intent]

I read a while back that Dr. Jerome Corsi will probably be the Constitution Party candidate.

He is the only candidate that has announced in the CP, afaik.

I agree with torch again - there will come a time for the CP and LP to openly announce for RP, but the time is not now and doing so would probably hurt his chances. And they are keeping options open in case RP does not get the nominations, which if they announced for RP now those would largely be closed or weakened.

 

[sunny]

I don't expect you to see the point... but there is more going on here than just a few people refusing to abandon their lifes work...
and their is an appropriate time. i've expressed this before... what would the republican base... the people we have to win over... what would they think if the libertarian party came out loud and proud today and said on the MSM, we are 200% behind ron paul and all our manpower and resources are going behind him!... didn't ron paul run for president as a libertarian in 1988? maybe he is just a libertarian trying to high-jack our party....

do you see what i am saying?

and then- you have our perspective...the lp perspective. why are we libertarians not republicans? because the neocons highjacked our party. if we lose the lp because of our neglect during this presidential cycle... and ron paul loses... we have damaged the only political vehicle we have to get 'ron paul like' ideas into the political arena because the republicans are not doing it.

its not as easy as you are making this out to be... its a complex problem... and it would be niave to act like it isn't and also iresponisble for those people like me who are trying to keep a backdoor open for people who desire liberty.

so you don't expect me to see the point? i'm not sure how to take that.

for the rest of it - point taken!

 

[torchbearer]

so you don't expect me to see the point? i'm not sure how to take that.

for the rest of it - point taken!

I'm sorry, not ment to be insulting... i just don't have an expectation that the thought would be communicated in a way that you could understand even what was in my head.
That was a me comment, not a you comment. if that makes any sense.
i am not traditionally one who seeks to insult someone... so please always give my comments the benefit of the doubt.
civil discussion is so much better... i just get frustrated with my own ability to communicate.
I had posted those thoughts several times over the past couple of weeks on the forum... i get the feeling people are not understanding it because they keep belittling the entire LP over this very complex issue.
I approach it as the vice-chairman of the libertarian party of louisiana.
We are big time Ron Paul supporters... its just disheartening to see little regard to all the things we are still doing in the background with meet-up groups, while at the same time not jeopardizing ron paul with an unsolicited association.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Torch, I can see how that would be true with the libertarian party. ie. formal announcement at this point in time, but I don't see why the same would be true about the Constitution party. Maybe I'm not getting something.

I do hope however, that both parties are unofficially throwing support behind Ron Paul and not just AFTER he gets nominated, but right now.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I approach it as the vice-chairman of the libertarian party of louisiana.
We are big time Ron Paul supporters... its just disheartening to see little regard to all the things we are still doing in the background with meet-up groups, while at the same time not jeopardizing ron paul with an unsolicited association.

Oh, it is more than obvious that Ron Paul has a great deal of libertarian support. And, I for one, understand that it wouldn't be wise for them to officially announce support at this point in time.

 

[torchbearer]

Torch, I can see how that would be true with the libertarian party. ie. formal announcement at this point in time, but I don't see why the same would be true about the Constitution party. Maybe I'm not getting something.

I do hope however, that both parties are unofficially throwing support behind Ron Paul and not just AFTER he gets nominated, but right now.

Libertyeagle, I can report the the LP in louisiana are the activist on the ground for ron paul. We are heading up and/or participating in almost all the meet-up groups. Ron Paul is discussed favorably at all LP functions...
This issue is at our heart. We want to be the most benefit without causing blowback... which a lot of us will feel may happen if we get "officially" too involved at this early point... so we do it unofficially... and the LP is not looking down on these activities at all... just not openly endorsing them yet.
There are other factors too... but i believe this particular one to be the most relevant.

 

[guntherg16]

I think CP members are doing the exact same thing.

Also, I think Alan Keyes is prepared to lead an exodus from the GOP if a pro-choice candidate gets the GOP nomination.

Have you heard of the Conservative Exodus Project?

http://www.conservativeexodusproject.com/

The Pledge (sign below)

We, the undersigned, petition the Republican Party to support real conservative candidates for the 2008 presidential nomination.

In the belief that the Republican Party has become too liberal, we pledge, unless a suitable candidate is selected for the GOP 2008 presidential nomination, to stay home or vote third party (e.g. Constitution Party).

Returning to its liberal roots, the GOP has recently become the party of big business, neoliberal globalism, and unwise interventionism - not the party of conservatism.

The following presidential candidates are UNACCEPTABLE: John McCain, Rudolph Giuliani, Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, Sam Brownback, Mike Huckabee, Chuck Hagel, Condoleezza Rice, et al. They all support the third-world invasion of the United States.

Unless a candidate is chosen who is tough on immigration (e.g. Ron Paul, Tom Tancredo, Duncan Hunter, or another candidate yet to announce), we shall have no choice but to vote third party.

We would like to stress these five points.

(1) We oppose the third-world invasion of the United States, and reject amnesty and any path to citizenship for illegals. We support deportation, attrition, and massive reductions in legal immigration, especially from the third world.

(2) We oppose free trade, the support of which has become an ideological suicide pact. Free trade is both destroying our economy and undermining our sovereignty. Historically, conservatives have opposed free trade, and they should, but many in the GOP have been "neoconned" on this issue.

(3) We support a moral candidate, critical of secularism, who embodies the virtues of the Christian Western tradition.

(4) We oppose the illegal neocon war in Iraq. The transformation of the Middle East to liberal democracy is Jacobin, not conservative.

(5) We wish to see big government reduced in size - in all three branches - and for many offices and functions to be returned to the states, where they Constitutionally belong.


Unless the above criteria are met, we pledge to stay home or vote third-party in 2008.


The Undersigned,



Addendum: Rumors abound that Fred Thompson may announce an exploratory committee. We would find him an unacceptable candidate, for he has a dubious record on immigration and is a neocon.

Tommy Thompson too would be unacceptable.



About CEP: CEP is a group of traditionalist conservatives who, realizing that the GOP is moving too leftward, started a petition on March 3, 2007 to encourage conservatives to leave the GOP if a suitable presidential candidate is not chosen in 2008.

 

[Original_Intent]

Have you heard of the Conservative Exodus Project?

http://www.conservativeexodusproject.com/

I have not heard of the CEP, but it sounds like a beautiful thing. When Alan Keyes spoke to the CP convention he essentially said that he would be doing something like this, but wondered if the CP was organized enough to hit the ground running with a huge influx of members.

Of late I have become disenchanted with Alan Keyes, but I do believe he is a true patriot who has been "neoconned" on some issues.

Thanks for the info on the CEP - very interesting I hope it is huge. I hope most don't take the "stay at home" option - that is surrender to tyranny.

 

[Minuteman2008]

I have not heard of the CEP, but it sounds like a beautiful thing. When Alan Keyes spoke to the CP convention he essentially said that he would be doing something like this, but wondered if the CP was organized enough to hit the ground running with a huge influx of members.

Of late I have become disenchanted with Alan Keyes, but I do believe he is a true patriot who has been "neoconned" on some issues.

Thanks for the info on the CEP - very interesting I hope it is huge. I hope most don't take the "stay at home" option - that is surrender to tyranny.

I got an email about the CEP and signed their petition about six months ago, so I know it's been around for a while.