A handgun to defeat any body armor

[rpfan2008]

Video

http://en.rian.ru/video/20090327/120770953.html

 

[akihabro]

I was going to say sounds like a glock until the rounds penetrate steel. I don't maybe you can change bullet designs to make armor piercing rounds and shoot in most guns.

 

[Madcat455]

I was gonna say.. that looks more like and achievement in round advancement, rather than the weapon itself.

Either way.. I wouldn't kick it out of bed

 

[Ozwest]

I'm a .44 mag target silouette shooter who manufactures my own ammo for destructive purposes.

And.

It would test body armor to its limits.

 

[Ozwest]

Depends on the application.

A .44 mag is not designed for deer hunting, but it saved my life when a big tusking boar was 4 metres in front of me and not stopping.

It was then, I appreciated "knock down" power. Different strokes for different folks.

 

[LATruth]

YouTube - GSh-18 pistol

 

[OptionsTrader]

Depleted Uranium rounds?

 

[SWATH]

I actually think it is probably fake government propaganda. It appears to be a 9mm round with a funny shaped bullet. Even if the bullet had a depleted uranium core it would still not have enough energy to penetrate 8mm of steel. The only way I can see it happening is either a small High explosive shaped charge in the bullet but you would likely need a larger bullet to make it effective, or an extremely hot loaded 9mm round with a super dense hard core like tungsten or DU and even then iffy. The super powered bullet theory is also unlikely seeing as this lightweight pistol recoils essentially the same as any other. Those holes in the steel appear to be of minimal displacement and around 5-6mm indicating they were likely inflicted by high velocity 5.45x39mm rounds and edited to appear like they were being fired from a pistol. A pointy bullet shape will help a low powered round like 9x18 or 9x19 penetrate soft fibrous woven armor like kevlar but when it comes to steel armor (harder than the bullet) velocity is what defeats it. Just shoot some sheet metal with a 5.56mm and a 9mm and observe the difference in the impact holes, the 9mm will leave a large dent with hole in the center, the high velocity 5.56mm will leave no dent whatsoever with a very crisp clean hole with a tiny amount of molten splash displacement right around the rim of the hole, almost as though it was drilled as was seen in the steel plate on the video.

If it is real it is just a 9mm with a tungsten/carbide or DU core firing into a very soft mild steel plate.

 

[rpfan2008]

Those holes in the steel appear to be around 5-6mm indicating they were likely inflicted by high velocity 5.45x39mm rounds and edited to appear like they were being fired from a pistol.

What if the plate isn't real steel?

 

[SWATH]

What if the plate isn't real steel?

It's not because all their real steel are belong to us.

 

[50calray]

So why would anyone want handgun or ammo that is capable of penetrating body armor

Anyhow, if you really need something to penetrate body armor, try looking into a Magnum Research in 45-70 Gov.If it doesn't penetrate, it's still going to cause some serious blunt force trauma. Just make sure you use both hands, I end up cutting my hand on the trigger guard when I try it one handed.

 

[sailor]

A handgun to defeat any body armor

This is down to the round. It is an over-pressureised 9mm. They have a submachinegun in this as well. It is called PP-2000 and is the Russian anwser to armor-piercing "personal defense weapons" like the MP-7.


Here take a look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PP-2000

 

[sailor]

The rounds are called 7N21 and 7N31. Here some more info:

This development leads us back to pistol ammunition, but this time with improved penetration capabilities rather than stealth. The proliferation of body armor rendered most military pistols, with ammunition designs about 100 years old, almost obsolete. The one way to deal with body armor is to adopt smaller-calibre, high velocity bullets for both pistols and submachine guns. This gives additional benefit of flatter trajectory and reduced recoil, both beneficial for accuracy. On the minus side, the terminal performance of the small-calibre, lightweight bullets is somewhat questionable. After initial test and research, conducted from the late 1980s under the codename “Grach”, the Russian armed forces adopted an improved version of the world’s most popular pistol ammo, the 9x19 Parabellum. First produced circa 1994, this version of the 9mm features an armor piercing bullet of proprietary design, and a powerful powder charge, which brings this cartridge, officially designated as 7N21, to the +P+ level, with peak pressures running up to 2,800 kg per square cm. The armor-piercing bullet of the 7N21 ammo features a hardened steel penetrator core, enclosed in a bimetallic jacket. The space between the core and jacket is filled with polyethylene, and the tip of the penetrator is exposed at the front of the bullet, to achieve better penetration. A bullet of similar design, but of lighter weight, is used in another service 9x19 cartridge, 7N31, which has been developed in the late 1990s for the GSh-18 pistol, and later adopted for the PP-2000 submachine gun. Another offspring of the ”Grach” trials is the 9x21 family of ammunition. Adopted by the Federal Security Bureau (FSB) of Russian Federation, this cartridge in its basic form, known as the SP-10, is more or less a stretched 7N21 cartridge with improved performance; the 9x21 ammo also available in AP-T (tracer) and SP-11 low-ricochet ball (with lead core) bullets. This ammo is used in SPS “Gyrza” pistol and in SR-2 “Veresk” submachine gun.

http://world.guns.ru/ammo/sp-e.htm

The 7N31 gives a muzzle velocity of 600 m/s.

 

[schwa]

A FiveseveN with the right ammo can do it

YouTube - 5.7x28 ProtecTOR level II Vest 15% gel test

YouTube - ProtecTOR

 

[SWATH]

The 5.7 uses a very small caliber fast pointy bullet, it can certainly penetrate soft armor. I don't know about hard armor but it would have a better chance due to its velocity. A friend told me the commercially available 5.7 ammo is downloaded specifically to prevent it from penetrating even soft armor.

 

[LATruth]

so sexy...

 

[50calray]

blah

 

[idiom]

That round might be an over pressure Sabot...