A Final Warning: What Happens When Governments No Longer Need You

[ClaytonB]

argues humanity has been systematically separated from its natural birthrights—land, water, food, shelter, knowledge, and freedom—by the artificial constructs of government, property

Commie lunacy detected.

It is not We The People who should fear government. It is government who should fear We The People. We have destroyed them before. We will do it again, if it comes to that, and rebuild afresh.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

It is not We The People who should fear government. It is government who should fear We The People. We have destroyed them before. We will do it again, if it comes to that, and rebuild afresh.

I don’t think the system will ever allow things to get to the point where “the people” could actually rise up. All it would take is for those in power to cut off access to water, food, energy, and fuels, for a few weeks—and most of the population wouldn’t survive. They could easily blame a cyberattack or some emergency, while the real agenda is mass elimination. The truth is, government has never feared the people. The entire concept of government is built on control, not on serving or fearing its citizens. They will not allow a long term dissattisfied rebellion to take place. Everyone alive today lives because the government allows it.

 

[ARealConservative]

In 500 years, the squirrel will still be a squirrel, living as it always has. Will humans still have any real rights—or will we be extinct, having traded freedom for the illusion of control?

who the fuck knows what happens in 500 years

I know I won't be around

 

[ClaytonB]

I don’t think the system will ever allow things to get to the point where “the people” could actually rise up.

Fortunately for us, we don't have to speculate or go off of random-Internet-person's opinion -- We The People have already defeated the tyrants once before and, therefore, we can do it again (by the grace of God).

All it would take is for those in power to cut off access to water, food, energy, and fuels, for a few weeks

You have it exactly backwards. A dispersed group of people can survive natural disaster with far higher probability than a concentrated group of people who must collectively source their enormous needs, all together. 1,000 people fanned through the forests foraging for themselves will survive much more than 1,000 people huddled in a camp, waiting for "the Leader" to bring them food/water/etc. So, it is DC that has to worry about decapitation, not We The People. We'll go on surviving at one level another regardless of what Nature does. DC and other centralized tyrannies... not so much.

—and most of the population wouldn’t survive.

Baseless speculation. You're right that most of NYC, LA, DC, etc. won't survive. But that's where blue-state tyranny is emanating from anyway, so in terms of the power calculus between the tyrants and WTP, the more of them that die huddled up in the cities, the better. I don't believe that will actually happen, either (nor do I hope for it), but as a "threat" that's like the home intruder threatening to stab himself in the neck... OK, go ahead and do it.

They could easily blame a cyberattack or some emergency, while the real agenda is mass elimination.

"Mass elimination" -- big talk from people who can't even fix potholes!

The truth is, government has never feared the people.

Absolute, ahistorical nonsense -- government has always feared the people; tyranny is the art of balancing the threat of internal slave-revolt against the threat of invasion by the foreign tyrant (who's doing exactly the same thing as the domestic tyrant). We The People can exist just fine without government. Government literally cannot exist without We The People. The US Government is only ever about 2 weeks away from total existential annihilation. If their supplies are cut off by the market, all but a few core capabilities will go down within 1-2 weeks, including most of the US military's capabilities. And the SPR will only keep those going for another few weeks after that.

The entire concept of government is built on control, not on serving or fearing its citizens.

Government is tyrannical control and, therefore, fears its citizens.

They will not allow a long term dissattisfied rebellion to take place.

They've effectively been doing just that since roughly the 1980's.

Everyone alive today lives because the government allows it.

That's a moronic statement. Did ChatGPT compose this? Only an LLM could actually believe something that stupid.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

Fortunately for us, we don't have to speculate or go off of random-Internet-person's opinion -- We The People have already defeated the tyrants once before and, therefore, we can do it again (by the grace of God).



You have it exactly backwards. A dispersed group of people can survive natural disaster with far higher probability than a concentrated group of people who must collectively source their enormous needs, all together. 1,000 people fanned through the forests foraging for themselves will survive much more than 1,000 people huddled in a camp, waiting for "the Leader" to bring them food/water/etc. So, it is DC that has to worry about decapitation, not We The People. We'll go on surviving at one level another regardless of what Nature does. DC and other centralized tyrannies... not so much.



Baseless speculation. You're right that most of NYC, LA, DC, etc. won't survive. But that's where blue-state tyranny is emanating from anyway, so in terms of the power calculus between the tyrants and WTP, the more of them that die huddled up in the cities, the better. I don't believe that will actually happen, either (nor do I hope for it), but as a "threat" that's like the home intruder threatening to stab himself in the neck... OK, go ahead and do it.



"Mass elimination" -- big talk from people who can't even fix potholes!



Absolute, ahistorical nonsense -- government has always feared the people; tyranny is the art of balancing the threat of internal slave-revolt against the threat of invasion by the foreign tyrant (who's doing exactly the same thing as the domestic tyrant). We The People can exist just fine without government. Government literally cannot exist without We The People. The US Government is only ever about 2 weeks away from total existential annihilation. If their supplies are cut off by the market, all but a few core capabilities will go down within 1-2 weeks, including most of the US military's capabilities. And the SPR will only keep those going for another few weeks after that.



Government is tyrannical control and, therefore, fears its citizens.



They've effectively been doing just that since roughly the 1980's.



That's a moronic statement. Did ChatGPT compose this? Only an LLM could actually believe something that stupid.

The idea that “We The People” can always rise up or that governments fundamentally need the people’s consent is ignoring how society actually works today. In the modern world, access to everything we need to survive—water, food, energy, land, shelter—is controlled by the government or by corporations that operate under government rules. If you can’t legally or practically get these essentials outside the system, then your ability to resist or survive independently is basically nonexistent.

It’s not like the past, where people could just go live off the land or form self-sufficient communities. Most of us live in cities, rely on supply chains, and don’t have the skills or legal right to just “head for the woods” if things go bad. The old idea that a dispersed population could just survive on their own is a fantasy for almost everyone today. If those in power decided to cut off water, food, or energy, most people wouldn’t last a week, let alone long enough to organize any kind of resistance. That’s not speculation—just look at what happens during a blackout or a water crisis: panic and desperation set in almost immediately.

Historical revolutions happened in a world where land was available, people were rural, and survival skills were common. That’s not our reality anymore. Today, the balance of power has shifted so that governments don’t need to “fear the people” the way they once did. With surveillance, legal barriers, and control of infrastructure, mass resistance is logistically impossible for most. The idea that governments are always just a couple weeks away from collapse if people rebel is outdated. In reality, most people are just a couple days away from disaster if the system cuts them off.

It’s not science fiction to say that authorities have used resource denial as a weapon—history is full of examples, from sieges to blockades to forced famines. Modern technology just makes this kind of control more efficient and far-reaching. If you can’t survive without permission, your freedom is an illusion, and the power to resist is gone long before any “uprising” could even start. That’s the reality we’re living in now.

 

[ClaytonB]

The idea that “We The People” can always rise up or that governments fundamentally need the people’s consent is ignoring how society actually works today.

Absolutely not. You're just another tyranny-boot-licker... this mindset is dime-a-dozen in Clown World. Everybody somehow "just knows" that government is somehow magically omnipotent by virtue of magic pixie dust or something.

In the modern world,

"Adults are but children grown large" -- John Newton

"Modern society is but ancient society grown more populous" -- Me

Nothing has changed in 10,000 years. The same brain that has launched men to the Moon and built quantum computers is the same brain that our ancestors had thousands of years ago. Human nature is, relative to history, a fixed constant.

access to everything we need to survive—water, food, energy, land, shelter—is controlled by the government

Well, governments have amply proved that they can go scorched earth and destroy the natural environment both for us and for themselves. For example, the US military is the single biggest polluter in the world.

or by corporations that operate under government rules.

Groups of people are just ... groups of people. There have always been, and always will be, groups of people So what.

If you can’t legally or practically get these essentials outside the system, then your ability to resist or survive independently is basically nonexistent.

I don't care about "resisting" nor even necessarily "surviving". I'm a different breed that people like you don't understand... we're called believers and we've been shredding the gears of "tEh sYsTeM" for over 2,000 years. And once the last drop of martyr blood has been shed by God's decree, he will return to Earth and then we will all see -- TOGETHER -- what the word "powerful" really means. Here is Scripture's advice to everyone who fancies themselves to be "powerful": "Therefore, you kings, be wise; be warned, you rulers of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry and you be destroyed in your way, for his wrath can flare up in a moment. Blessed are all who take refuge in him." (Psalm 2:10-12) In a word: get with the program or perish! You don't give the ultimatums, God does.

The idea that governments are always just a couple weeks away from collapse if people rebel is outdated.

Not at all. The government is literally incapable of producing anything that it needs. It has a buffer of 1-2 weeks of fuel and other consumables. After that 2 week period, it will begin to crumble as fast or faster than any private corporation. Of course, the US military has backup reserves for all kinds of contingencies, but even those reserves will quickly start depleting if there is a total blackout. Be careful what you wish for!!

In reality, most people are just a couple days away from disaster if the system cuts them off.

I can comfortably live without any food for days just from body fat. The idea that we're all just days away from catastrophe is ludicrous. We The People have nothing to fear from the government unless we continue to allow ourselves to be cucked by the tyrants. That will be a matter of choice. Welcome to America.

It’s not science fiction to say that authorities have used resource denial as a weapon—history is full of examples, from sieges to blockades to forced famines.

Yeah, to starve other "authorities that use resource denial". Until the invention of total war in the 20th-century, wars were the concern of kings and armies, civilians were just spectators (as long as they had nothing of value).

Modern technology just makes this kind of control more efficient and far-reaching. If you can’t survive without permission, your freedom is an illusion, and the power to resist is gone long before any “uprising” could even start. That’s the reality we’re living in now.

Permits are the market arbitrage on popular toleration of petty tyranny. You can't get from "permits exist" to "people only exist because government allows them to" unless, of course, you're a Clown World NPC bot.

You're not wrong that the State can bring the matter to a head. They definitely have the power to start a fight for real. Trump nearly did that with Iran. So, we can have Armageddon whenever the kings of this world think they are tall enough to ride that ride. Their call. "The Lord is at your right hand; he will crush kings on the day of his wrath. He will judge the nations, heaping up the dead and crushing the rulers of the whole earth." (Psalm 110:5,6)

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[ARealConservative]

"Mass elimination" -- big talk from people who can't even fix potholes!

pretty much anyone can handle demolition

the construction phase is where the talent is needed

 

[ClaytonB]

pretty much anyone can handle demolition

So it's a two-way street then...

 

[ARealConservative]

So it's a two-way street then...

no. if demolition is a street, construction is more like space travel

 

[ClaytonB]

no. if demolition is a street, construction is more like space travel

*sigh

The joke (now dead horse) is that if it's so easy to blow shit up, then that's a TWO-WAY STREET. If anybody can do it, then anybody can do it, meaning, WTP can blow up the government just as easily as they can blow us up... since it's so easy to just blow shit up. And as was proved in 1776-1789, we're better at it than they are. But they seem to be determined to be taught that lesson all over again...

 

[ARealConservative]

*sigh

The joke (now dead horse) is that if it's so easy to blow shit up, then that's a TWO-WAY STREET. If anybody can do it, then anybody can do it, meaning, WTP can blow up the government just as easily as they can blow us up... since it's so easy to just blow shit up. And as was proved in 1776-1789, we're better at it than they are. But they seem to be determined to be taught that lesson all over again...

le sigh is right