a 'drug' question...

I agree and may Dr. Hofmann rest in piece for all he did for us. 102 years old.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7374846.stm

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/07/international/europe/07hoffman.html

I still read my copy of "My Problem Child" every year before a "vacation" in the "wilderness."

I just saw a special on LSD the other day on History Channel, I believe. They said that many scientists of the day used LSD as a discovery tool, just as artists and writers have used various drugs to expand their minds.

Francis Crick, the co-discoverer of DNA and the double-helix, was using LSD the day he made the deduction of the DNA structure.

http://www.mayanmajix.com/art1699.html
 
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will someone tell me why the 'war on drugs' is 'bad'? i have seen what drugs can do to a family first hand. while i can see why pot isnt all that bad, or maybe even not bad, what about coke, lsd, meth.....

no one denies drugs hurt families. but it should be a medical issue, not a legal one. the very example you give proves this. did the lawr stop this family member from using drugs?
 
no one denies drugs hurt families. but it should be a medical issue, not a legal one. the very example you give proves this. did the lawr stop this family member from using drugs?

The War on Drugs hurt families much more than drug use does.
Any medical problem can cause stress and there are behavioral problems that are not drug related or caused.
Prohibition only causes otherwise honest people to become criminals.
 
D.A.R.E. is an example of an idea that might sound "good" or at least well intended at first, but the results are unexpected and have been horrid. Then the denial and re-working to bring it into even lower grade levels.... And the result was YOUNGER school children started trying / dealing in drugs. At the same time the program was then introduced in "outlying rural areas" and BINGO, YOU GUESSED IT....

Now, since this "drug problem is spreading, with younger children and more serious drugs", bla, bla, bla. The drug war needs more money than ever before, to fight the problem more than ever before. Gonna' see a victory real soon now, right? After 35 years of this?

(at least some communities finally sobered up and have dropped their DARE programs)

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It's the same deal with the war on child porn. Now, just asking about it (offer to sell or buy) is enough to get the FBI to kick in your doors and point guns at you at 4am - No possession is required, just offer to sell or buy it! It does not matter if it's just a Photoshop creation and technically "victimless". Are "thought police" coming next, or is this the last new law and new war to keep us all safe and protect the children?

I watched (in the Police training room) a local Police officer try to entice an Internet predator into a relationship with an underage girl (that he was posing as while on-line). A conversation started with someone who said he was a 17 year old boy in another state who was just looking for a (girl) friend to chat with. After the innocent school and hobby banter, after a few minutes the cop gradually started getting very suggestive on activities they might do together. After about 15 minutes the person on the other end of the chat just dropped off suddenly after the “naked in the hot tub” suggestions came up from the cop. Now depending on you point of view, this was because:

1 Suddenly became rude (previously was reasonably polite) and just not interested because he was too shy to become naked with some underage girl who was really a Police officer.
2 Technical problems dropped the connection at far end or midway.
3 Parent came into the room and pulled the plug suddenly.
4 Predator got spooked, smelled a sting because his mark was too good to be true.
5 Another cop realized he was just talking to another cop.
6 Or gee, it could have been a kid who (as he stated) just wanted to talk, but instead he got a bit of an education and way more than he was interested in.
7 Maybe it was really a 17 year old boy who thought he smelled a predator (the "good" cop) trying to hit on him, when he really just wanted to talk to a real girl.
8 Your guess?

I was there at the one end and I think it was #6 or #7 and realized that this police sting program actually causes more damage to society than “protection”. I told 'em what I thought and how it reminded me of D.A.R.E. and its reported "harm". No wonder people don't respect the Police and most of the laws they are whipping up these days. Libertarians call these “unintended consequences”.

( I also saw the Fed communication system that offered constant streamed text based propaganda on terror suspected activities. It identifies me as someone to be watchful of, i.e., someone who watches the Police with a critical eye or might be in possession of/carry a copy of the US Constitution. So much for the JBS "Support your Local Police and keep them independent" program. The feds now have a box in there to counteract that idea 24x7.)

Now I'm personally "against drug use and child porn", but can't endorse these laws and programs that are clearly unconstitutional, harm innocents and their families. It harms society on an economic and social level. It's Nazi tyranny crap that does not belong in these United States! It's not going to just go away on its own. It's going to expand and become even more invasive just by the nature of coercive government – ‘cause that's just what it does if left unchecked - Government grows as Liberty yeilds.

See www.leap.cc from "recovering" law enforcement officers who now see the light.
 
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I didn't know about drugs until DARE came into my school and showed me what to look for.
When my son was in 3rd grade the school had a DARE program event and they sent the kids home with little "anti"-drug propaganda booklets. On one page was a list of common household items that could be used as inhalants. I flipped out and had a visit with the principle. I explained that I found it extremely inappropriate to send 3rd graders home with a list of chemicals they could use to kill themselves. I also explained that for the kids to see alcohol, marijuana, pills, needles, tobacco, cocaine and a gas can pictured together as "drugs" they were sending an ineffective message. Most kids know full well that smoking a cigarette is bad for you but certainly isn't as dangerous as what they may have heard from their DARE trooper about inhalants. In my opinion it gives kids the mistaken idea that if they're being taught that all these drugs are equally "bad" they must not all be as bad as they're being told. I hope that makes sense.
 
When they bring DARE into the schools and let the kids smell the chronic and ask if they have ever smelled it at home. Some kids may naively say yes, kids get taken away and put into foster care, Swat Team comes to the house busting everything up, takes everything in their possession to sell it off at auction, parents get put in jail, work finds out about it and fires parents and they are left with nothing. Thats when it destroys families, and that is why I do not support the war on drugs. It's a waste of money, people are going to get what they want to get, the laws are too harsh and the cops need to focus on more serious things like the child molesters here in florida, now that they are taking the ankle bracelets off of the pedofiles just out of jail due to budget cuts.

It's because of that kind of crap that I do not support police officers today. Plus it always makes my day, seeing a Police Tank with water cannon sitting on the corner of the Tampa Bay Convention Center when you're driving into work in the morning. Just...cause....they feel like playing tank and dress up in ninja outfits, but thats another topic altogether.
 
"When they took the 4th Amendment, I was quiet because I didn't deal drugs. When they took the 6th Amendment, I was quiet because I am innocent. When they took the 2nd Amendment, I was quiet because I don't own a gun. Now they have taken the 1st Amendment, and I can only be quiet."

http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2000/12/40532


http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3659

That is such a brilliant quote, im putting that in my sig (and giving u credit of course)

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War on Drugs in General = Profits. Nothing more, nothing less. Everything else is extremism.

Legal Drugs, people would get to say something about the ammt of taxes that have to be paid. Illegal, well you get what you can find and pay whatever price there is. I dont know too many people that might agree with me on this but I think the entire DEA is the source for most of the drugs in this country, despite what MSM tells you.

The other point of the statement is "extremism". That goes for users also. Extreme alcohol use or abuse will kill a person just as quick as any other illegal drug on the planet. But alcohol is legal. So is smoking tobacco, well barely anymore. Hell drinking excessive ammts of water can also get people "water drunk", literally.

War on Drugs is nothing more than manipulation to change the focus of the business. Make paper illegal (I mean like the paper you and I write on) and those that choose to not shut down their businesses and continue making paper now are black market, where they have much more control over the price and thus much higher profits than in a Free Market.

I'll put it this way: If I were a drug dealer, when I voted, I would vote to make or keep drugs illegal, because, if the government legalized the drugs I would sell, I'd go out of business.
 
Nice Danke.

Liberty is telling people what they do not want to hear.

- George Orwell-
 
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