a 'drug' question...

[Kotin]

but that argument doesn't seem to be getting the health freedom crowd anywhere.

the propaganda (which also happens to be lies, lies, lies btw) is too strong. people have to be force fed the reality imo.

well how about the argument that why is tobacco and alcohol addiction a disease and heroine and cocaine addiction are a crime??


and the fact that people have died from all four yet no one has ever died from Marijuana.


though i still maintain that my first argument should be the main one, and i must point out that if you are indeed correct that this argument of whether the government has any right to tell us what we can and cant put into our bodies, is far from the mainstream and is far from accepted by your average person, then we are in a sad sad state as a country.

i'd like them to show me where they get that power from.

 

[NaT805]

You would be able to go to a store, and buy any drug you want. No one would judge you for buying it, you wouldn't feel ashamed or like you have to hide it. You would take it with you, and as long as no one else gets hurt, then thats how it will be. Freedom is to do whatever you want without violating someone else's freedom.

There shouldn't be taxes on them at all, or extremely minimal. The prices will be incredibly low and affordable, theft and robbery will no longer be as wide spread as the availability will be high and price will be low, those types of crimes become less appealing. The "rich drug lords" go out of business over night. The drugs get off the streets and into stores. Meth labs on your street corner disappears. And the stigma of drug addicts will change to being a medical problem, and they will no longer be treated like criminals.

In the Controlled Substance Act they list Marinol (THC - The active ingredient in marijuana) as schedule III and have marijuana (A plant not a substance) as schedule I, when its main ingredient is a schedule III substance.

 

[icon124]

Okay here's my problem with allowing drugs to be legal...some drugs like heroin or meth are EXTREMELY addictive...by giving you easy access to the drug a lot of ppl will try it and more than likely get addicted....don't you think that will cause more ppl to get addicted and therefore cause a lot more violence....because ppl will do anything to get the drug....

I mean I just don't see how stopping the war on drugs could cause less violence, etc...maybe if we went a different route, but not making drugs completely legal.

It's just like alcohol if you think about it...yes it's your choice to do it and I have no problem with that...but bars cause nothing but problems for the neighborhoods (for the most part)....I live in a rough rough rough neighborhood and we have bars on every other corner...it does no good for anyone...

It's hard for me here...I want to be all about freedom of choice, but some things don't make sense for the group as a whole. Someone please help explain this!!

Also what about the problem of once your so high you don't know what your doing....killing, fighting, etc....wouldn't that be a huge problem too.

 

[pcosmar]

Okay here's my problem with allowing drugs to be legal...some drugs like heroin or meth are EXTREMELY addictive...by giving you easy access to the drug a lot of ppl will try it and more than likely get addicted....don't you think that will cause more ppl to get addicted and therefore cause a lot more violence....because ppl will do anything to get the drug....

I mean I just don't see how stopping the war on drugs could cause less violence, etc...maybe if we went a different route, but not making drugs completely legal.

It's just like alcohol if you think about it...yes it's your choice to do it and I have no problem with that...but bars cause nothing but problems for the neighborhoods (for the most part)....I live in a rough rough rough neighborhood and we have bars on every other corner...it does no good for anyone...

It's hard for me here...I want to be all about freedom of choice, but some things don't make sense for the group as a whole. Someone please help explain this!!

Also what about the problem of once your so high you don't know what your doing....killing, fighting, etc....wouldn't that be a huge problem too.

What you mean like back when it was LEGAL.

There was not a "drug problem" until the government got involved.

 

[crazyfingers]

Poll: 99 Percent Wouldn't Use Hard Drugs If They Were Legalized

 

[constituent]

What you mean like back when it was LEGAL.

There was not a "drug problem" until the government got involved.

 

[Gadsden Flag]

Heroin helps with coughs? I didn't know that.


Not that I would use it in place of Robitussin or anything...

 

[icon124]

What you mean like back when it was LEGAL.

There was not a "drug problem" until the government got involved.

Come on now...you honestly believe that legalizing harsh drugs like herion and meth would solve the problem...I can see legalizing marijuana but anything past that is hard to really see.

Initially we would have a huge group of ppl that would just "try" these new legalized drugs because hey guess what it's legal to do. Imagine how many ppl out of that group alone that would get addicted to the drug...now imagine them getting into a car....or doing something crazy....and killing you...not knowing they did it until they wake up a day later in jail.

I'm all for freedom of choice...but on this subject (and it's only really this subject) I see a big problem with that...

I guess maybe you need to be thrown into somewhere full of drugees and experience first hand what ppl try to do when they are on drugs.


Although I do see legalizing as a positive when it comes to the drug dealers...but that positive is offset with the plenty of negatives that comes with it.

And when you say back when it was legal....I'm sure they didn't know then what they know now...when it comes to the extreme addiction that is...

 

[crazyfingers]

"No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another, and this is all from which the law ought to restrain him." - Jefferson

People should be held accountable for the consequences of their action. That's what it comes down to for me, at least. However I know that you can't go from a "war on drugs" to complete legalization overnight. Realistically, in the short-term, I hope to see reduced sentences/end of mandatory minimums, greater focus on treatment instead of incarceration, medical marijuana, and decriminalization of soft drugs (like marijuana and mushrooms).

The problem here, as usual, is the federal government. Let states make their own drug laws. The current war on drugs is unconstitutional. I'm sure the people who passed the 18th Amendment to bring about alcohol prohibition would've liked to know paying attention to the Constitution wasn't even necessary

 

[pcosmar]

Come on now...you honestly believe that legalizing harsh drugs like herion and meth would solve the problem...I can see legalizing marijuana but anything past that is hard to really see.

Initially we would have a huge group of ppl that would just "try" these new legalized drugs because hey guess what it's legal to do. Imagine how many ppl out of that group alone that would get addicted to the drug...now imagine them getting into a car....or doing something crazy....and killing you...not knowing they did it until they wake up a day later in jail.

I'm all for freedom of choice...but on this subject (and it's only really this subject) I see a big problem with that...

I guess maybe you need to be thrown into somewhere full of drugees and experience first hand what ppl try to do when they are on drugs.


Although I do see legalizing as a positive when it comes to the drug dealers...but that positive is offset with the plenty of negatives that comes with it.

And when you say back when it was legal....I'm sure they didn't know then what they know now...when it comes to the extreme addiction that is...

Oooo, Fear mongering.


read some history.

 

[walter]

will someone tell me why the 'war on drugs' is 'bad'? i have seen what drugs can do to a family first hand. while i can see why pot isnt all that bad, or maybe even not bad, what about coke, lsd, meth.....

My take= Before 1937, drugs were legal and 4% of the population was addicted to drugs. From then till the 60's, drugs were illegal, and about 4% of the pop. was addicted. From the 60's to the 80's enforcement was stepped up and about 4% of the pop. was addicted. From the 80's til now, there has been a huge increase in the enforcement measures, along with huge spending to eradicate drugs, and about 4% of the pop. is addicted to drugs. I could probably find some drugs within walking distance of my house if I wanted to, and nothing has changed except the money that is forever spent and lost, and all the people in prison. Drugs are just as available as when they were sold in the local pharmacy before 1937, and about 4% of the pop. is addicted to drugs!

 

[brandon]

Drugs i did my life whole. Never they did effect I.

 

[Grimnir Wotansvolk]

I'm all for freedom of choice...but on this subject (and it's only really this subject) I see a big problem with that...

Bullshit.

This kind of fair-weather libertarianism is precisely the root of all of our problems. It's a slippery slope - "well, I support freedom...except for those people, they might do something bad with it! And that stuff, that can't be good, let's get rid of it!" - that spirals out of control, until you have...well, the United States of America, circa 2008. A truly free society allows its citizens to bear the full breadth of freedom of choice, regardless of whether their choices are "good" or "bad".

By the same logic that's applied to the criminalization of anything other than murder, rape, and theft, we should also be throwing people in jail cells for being overweight, after all, they've clearly made some bad choices, correct?

 

[tmosley]

Drugees wouldn't do anything to you if drugs were cheap, readily available, and legal. It's only because they need money, or they need to maintain a tough "rep" that they would attack you.

See the opium dens of the late 1800's. People were strung out in places like that all the time, but they never attacked people. They might be pathetic, but they aren't particularly dangerous. They could get enough though panhandling to stay high most of the time, just like homeless people do now (except they buy alcohol).

When those types of things are illegal, it brings crime of all types. Want to get rid of the crime? Decriminalize drugs. It's simple logic. The government just doesn't want to admit that it was wrong, as they have been progressively increasing their assertions that drugs are bad (mmkay?), and that the only way to stop them is to put more and more people in jail.

Logic and an egocentric government don't mix.

 

[Cinderella]

Heroin helps with coughs? I didn't know that.


Not that I would use it in place of Robitussin or anything...

ummm when u have a bad cough that doesnt go away with regular cough medicine usually a doctor will give u one that has a small amount of oxycodone....because opiates are cough suppresants

heroin is morphine when its broken down to its simpliste form in the brain.....its an opiate...so whether u do heroin or percs or oxys or vics or oxycodone...when it metabolizes in the brain its all converted to morphine....the only difference when u take these drugs is how fast and how long the high is...obviously if ur and IV user it will get u very high very fast...where as taking pills may take a bit longer to feel its effects and eventually u will have to take more because tolerance builds etc....thats why most people start with pills....they dont feel like such an addict if theyre just popping pills...but then they find themselves taking 15 20 pills a day....to which they may see IV heroin a better choice because its cheaper

 

[constituent]

Come on now...you honestly believe that legalizing harsh drugs like herion and meth would solve the problem...I can see legalizing marijuana but anything past that is hard to really see.

Initially we would have a huge group of ppl that would just "try" these new legalized drugs because hey guess what it's legal to do. Imagine how many ppl out of that group alone that would get addicted to the drug...now imagine them getting into a car....or doing something crazy....and killing you...not knowing they did it until they wake up a day later in jail.

I'm all for freedom of choice...but on this subject (and it's only really this subject) I see a big problem with that...

I guess maybe you need to be thrown into somewhere full of drugees and experience first hand what ppl try to do when they are on drugs.


Although I do see legalizing as a positive when it comes to the drug dealers...but that positive is offset with the plenty of negatives that comes with it.

And when you say back when it was legal....I'm sure they didn't know then what they know now...when it comes to the extreme addiction that is...

this post is just ridiculous, shameful really. sorry to be so harsh. you need to wake up though.

maybe you are just young and uninformed? i don't know, but this kinda crap i have precious little patience for. it's one thing to feel this way yourself, but to spread this garbage is damn near a crime against humanity.

here in a second i'll provide you with a link so that i don't have to do another walk through on the whole issue.



::: edit :::


see here

 

[constituent]

heroin is morphine when its broken down to its simpliste form in the brain.....its an opiate...so whether u do heroin or percs or oxys or vics or oxycodone...when it metabolizes in the brain its all converted to morphine....the only difference when u take these drugs is how fast and how long the high is...obviously if ur and IV user it will get u very high very fast...where as taking pills may take a bit longer to feel its effects and eventually u will have to take more because tolerance builds etc....thats why most people start with pills....they dont feel like such an addict if theyre just popping pills...but then they find themselves taking 15 20 pills a day....to which they may see IV heroin a better choice because its cheaper

exactly. it amazes me that people can still feign shock and dismay at the mere mention of the words "heroin" or "morphine."

like morphine isn't already a staple of many american diets. ever eaten cow or pig brains in a slow-cooked stew?

if you live in s. texas, i'll be you have.

.........


i would venture to say that there is not a safer class/spectrum of drugs to consume for ailments of all sorts than opiates. if you get down into using poppies as a part of your diet for its many medicinal/nutritional benefits, then you're talking about obliteration of the pharmaceutical industry...

no wonder the propaganda and knee-jerk reactions are so intense.

 

[Cinderella]

another thing...all these legal pharmaceutical drugs cause more harm than the ones they label illegal....those bastards

 

[tod evans]

me thinks those who speak loudly against drugs that are currently labled "illegal"are uneducated or have been brainwashed by the media.

 

[ryanmkeisling]

me thinks those who speak loudly against drugs that are currently labled "illegal"are uneducated or have been brainwashed by the media.

or hysterical FEAR. This is the whole point of the drug war: to create hysteria, which is everywhere. Of course opaites are less harmful than most pharmies. Drugs can do a number on you if you let them, but we live in a society where people do not like to be accountable for themselves. Many people see what addiction can do and blame the drugs which we should all remember are inanimate substances which lack capacity for good and evil. When a parent has a child addicted to say meth, it becomes very hard to blame your child and hold them responsible; it becomes much easier to blame the drug and attempt to hold it responsible. Americans love drugs and anyone who believes they should not be allowed to have them is against real freedom.