A different drug problem....

[Danke]

Oh and I did not have to married nor am I a drug addict-- just sayin'.

I guess that's one way to put a positive spin on it...

 

[donnay]

I guess that's one way to put a positive spin on it...

LOL! My dad had a shotgun but it wasn't because I was pregnant.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

My middle sister (the drama queen) got preferential treatment in my house growing up. My father catered to her every whim. It enabled her in such ways, as an adult, she still cannot do things on her own--she has had two failed marriages and is in her early forties. She is the one in the family that is the most disrespectful, rude and downright mean. Being the eldest, I was used to set the examples and I got my share of ass whippings and punishments (a lot of it due to her, btw). Nevertheless, I am very independent, have done things without much help and turned out to be a productive human being, if I say so myself. I have no regrets and I am thankful my parents were strict with me when I was growing up. Oh and I did not have to married nor am I a drug addict-- just sayin'.

You act like the choice is either Welfarism (preferential treatment), or Boot-licking Tyranny (obedience, lots of rules, force applied, etc.). Ya' know, there is the libertarian way. Reason, personal responsibility, freedom, mutual respect, and good ol' fashioned Golden Rule. Most parents say the teenage years are the worst because you are trying to control and own another human being when they want to be free. Of course they are going to rebel against parental tyranny. Just food for thought.

 

[donnay]

Go back to the 2nd page and my #16. I did not raise my children like my parents did. Just to clarify, I was not submissive but rather rebellious and very independent. I am strong willed to this day. This is why my parents always thought I was going to be the difficult one--I am only difficult to those who think they can impose their will on me and trample my rights. Again, I have no regrets, because I learned a great deal through those years!

 

[eduardo89]

One of my cousins received corporal punishment and wound up a crackhead and got knocked up by some scummy guy. My sister was spanked, and she is so rude she's been fired from numerous jobs. She's a certified vet tech but now works in a school cafeteria. She also dropped out of high school. Got her GED later, tho.

I was spanked, got hit with the belt, got my mouth washed out with soap, got slapped by my mom a few times for insulting her, got yelled at and I'll probably use those tools when my girl (minus the belt) is older if I ever have to. A child needs love and care, but also needs structured and order.

I had my rebellious phase when I was in high school, got in trouble a lot, got kicked out of boarding school and I attribute it to the fact that my dad was absent for most of my teenage years and I was sent to a very liberal boarding school (we were allowed to drink, smoke, very relaxed atmosphere). Looking back I wish I had had the structure, order and rules that were necessary to keep me in order. Not all kids need this, some are mature enough from a younger age that they can be given the freedom, other need rules, just like some children need more serious punishments for the same things some kids just need a talk about.

In my experience it's been the kids who had no discipline in their childhoods that ended up being the ones who are non-stop partiers, coke heads, and apathetic about anything important.

One of my good friends is another example...he lived in a household where his parents let him do whatever he wanted "so he could learn on his own and express himself". He graduated high school with an average 1% over the pass grade and all he's ever done with his life so far is take a few pottery classes at a community college, sell pot to 16 year old kids an lives in his parents basement.

 

[flightlesskiwi]

You act like the choice is either Welfarism (preferential treatment), or Boot-licking Tyranny (obedience, lots of rules, force applied, etc.). Ya' know, there is the libertarian way. Reason, personal responsibility, freedom, mutual respect, and good ol' fashioned Golden Rule. Most parents say the teenage years are the worst because you are trying to control and own another human being when they want to be free. Of course they are going to rebel against parental tyranny. Just food for thought.

i would add unconditional love.

in any relationship, there is going to be tension and conflict-- especially in close family relationships. this is why admission of mistakes and asking forgiveness and reconciliation is so important, imho.

i really love the Classical education movement (grammar, logic, rhetoric) because it goes hand in hand with what i've found as a parent: my kids aren't born with all the intellect, reasoning or capability to be equipped for a productive life. they need to be taught foundational "laws" (the oven is hot, a knife is sharp, etc) and disciplines (reading, writing, mathematics) that eventually lead to them self-teaching (with guidance sometimes) how to discover "deeper" things of life and living on their own.

ultimately: 1. parenting is quite difficult; 2. what works for one child doesn't necessarily work for the other; 3. if i'm not acting out of love, then i shouldn't be doing whatever it is i'm doing.

i honestly didn't want to create a stir.

 

[eduardo89]

i would add unconditional love.

in any relationship, there is going to be tension and conflict-- especially in close family relationships. this is why admission of mistakes and asking forgiveness and reconciliation is so important, imho.

i really love the Classical education movement (grammar, logic, rhetoric) because it goes hand in hand with what i've found as a parent: my kids aren't born with all the intellect, reasoning or capability to be equipped for a productive life. they need to be taught foundational "laws" (the oven is hot, a knife is sharp, etc) and disciplines (reading, writing, mathematics) that eventually lead to them self-teaching (with guidance sometimes) how to discover "deeper" things of life and living on their own.

ultimately: 1. parenting is quite difficult; 2. what works for one child doesn't necessarily work for the other; 3. if i'm not acting out of love, then i shouldn't be doing whatever it is i'm doing.

i honestly didn't want to create a stir.

Damn you and your amazing mothering skills!!! Your children need to learn an iron is not the "libertarian" by letting them touch it! (horrible way to learn as 6 year old Eduardo can tell you)

 

[donnay]

i would add unconditional love.

in any relationship, there is going to be tension and conflict-- especially in close family relationships. this is why admission of mistakes and asking forgiveness and reconciliation is so important, imho.

i really love the Classical education movement (grammar, logic, rhetoric) because it goes hand in hand with what i've found as a parent: my kids aren't born with all the intellect, reasoning or capability to be equipped for a productive life. they need to be taught foundational "laws" (the oven is hot, a knife is sharp, etc) and disciplines (reading, writing, mathematics) that eventually lead to them self-teaching (with guidance sometimes) how to discover "deeper" things of life and living on their own.

ultimately: 1. parenting is quite difficult; 2. what works for one child doesn't necessarily work for the other; 3. if i'm not acting out of love, then i shouldn't be doing whatever it is i'm doing.

i honestly didn't want to create a stir.

Yay! Here is another mother who gets it! I dare anyone call you a soccer Mom! +rep

 

[Invi]

Darn... well that was awkward. It took me until the end of the article to realize the author was speaking positively of the things their parents did to them.

I thought it was a well-deserved complaint against being forced to do things against your will.

that's what I was thinking. <.<

 

[eduardo89]

Darn... well that was awkward. It took me until the end of the article to realize the author was speaking positively of the things their parents did to them.

I thought it was a well-deserved complaint against being forced to do things against your will.

Such as taking a bath, learning to read, cleaning up after yourself...

 

[Acala]

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Such as taking a bath, learning to read, cleaning up after yourself...

A child doesn't need to be forced to learn to read. If the child sees you reading, and you take the time to read interesting books to the child, you will not be able to STOP the child from learning to read - unless you make it a duty and force them. The same goes for almost everything else.

 

[eduardo89]

A child doesn't need to be forced to learn to read. If the child sees you reading, and you take the time to read interesting books to the child, you will not be able to STOP the child from learning to read - unless you make it a duty and force them. The same goes for almost everything else.

Sadly not all children are like that. I was one of those kids you couldn't stop from reading. When my parents would ground me, the punishment was no more reading!!

My brother on the other hand...nothing could get him to enjoy reading and it had to be forced on him.

 

[Danke]

I was spanked, got hit with the belt, got my mouth washed out with soap, got slapped by my mom a few times for insulting her, got yelled at...

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-problem....&p=4118953&viewfull=1#post4118953

 

[eduardo89]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-problem....&p=4118953&viewfull=1#post4118953

What exactly does it explain?

 

[Miss Annie]

I think societies child rearing methods have changed drastically. When mothers went to work, this changed the dynamics and the roles of the home drastically. I know that many homes and families have made this work successfully, but it has definitely taken it's toll on society.
I have been lucky to work from home.... but it has still even been a struggle doing that. I am a firm believer that children need a full time parent available at home!

 

[eduardo89]

I think societies child rearing methods have changed drastically. When mothers went to work, this changed the dynamics and the roles of the home drastically. I know that many homes and families have made this work successfully, but it has definitely taken it's toll on society.
I have been lucky to work from home.... but it has still even been a struggle doing that. I am a firm believer that children need a full time parent available at home!

This.

 

[dannno]

I was drug to church as a kid as well, so glad I'm clean of that nowadays..

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Sadly not all children are like that. I was one of those kids you couldn't stop from reading. When my parents would ground me, the punishment was no more reading!!

My brother on the other hand...nothing could get him to enjoy reading and it had to be forced on him.

Listen to yourself. Ever think he may have had a different learning personality? Further, you have a huge disconnect in your philosophical persuasion. I'd get that inconsistency worked out one way or the other -- either for or against control, obedience, and tyranny.

Children have a natural curiousity like nearly all human beings. How they quench their curiosity should be of no consequence, especially not in justifying the use of force and coercion.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

I think societies child rearing methods have changed drastically. When mothers went to work, this changed the dynamics and the roles of the home drastically. I know that many homes and families have made this work successfully, but it has definitely taken it's toll on society.
I have been lucky to work from home.... but it has still even been a struggle doing that. I am a firm believer that children need a full time parent available at home!

I don't think it has had the effect you think it has had in comparison to where kids spend the majority of their time at Government-Schools. Society is shaped by these vile institutions. Hence the attack on homeschooling, unschooling, and other educational methods outside of State control. They always have the fall back position of the TV and other propaganda outlets, but the schools are the first line, and usually the most effective for the Corporate-Government establishment.

 

[Seraphim]

Same logic applies to Foreign Policy.

I tend to disagree with this. My grandparents raised me without using any physical action, yelling, force, etc... They just taught me to be polite, treat others how I wanted to be treated, be respectful, and in turn they were respectful to me, talked to me like I was a person and not a "child", etc... I always did well in school. Basically it was just positive reinforcement, love, care, and kindness.

I don't think force is really necessary in regards to raising a child. You just need to be engaged with them, teach them, answer questions, and treat as a human being like any other. It wasn't discipline that made me understand moral behavior, but by following the example set by my grandparents and them explaining why such actions/ways of acting are moral.