A different drug problem....

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Darn... well that was awkward. It took me until the end of the article to realize the author was speaking positively of the things their parents did to them.

I thought it was a well-deserved complaint against being forced to do things against your will.
 
Yes, it is very important that children be trained to the lash of authority early and often so they become good, compliant citizens later. If you can break their spirit early, when they are too small to resist brute force, they will be inured to the yoke and not raise a fuss when it is time for them to enter the work camp and labor for the benefit of the elite.
 
Yes, it is very important that children be trained to the lash of authority early and often so they become good, compliant citizens later. If you can break their spirit early, when they are too small to resist brute force, they will be inured to the yoke and not raise a fuss when it is time for them to enter the work camp and labor for the benefit of the elite.

Okay, so I'm not alone. :)
 
I tend to disagree with this. My grandparents raised me without using any physical action, yelling, force, etc... They just taught me to be polite, treat others how I wanted to be treated, be respectful, and in turn they were respectful to me, talked to me like I was a person and not a "child", etc... I always did well in school. Basically it was just positive reinforcement, love, care, and kindness.

I don't think force is really necessary in regards to raising a child. You just need to be engaged with them, teach them, answer questions, and treat as a human being like any other. It wasn't discipline that made me understand moral behavior, but by following the example set by my grandparents and them explaining why such actions/ways of acting are moral.
 
I tend to disagree with this. My grandparents raised me without using any physical action, yelling, force, etc... They just taught me to be polite, treat others how I wanted to be treated, be respectful, and in turn they were respectful to me, talked to me like I was a person and not a "child", etc... I always did well in school. Basically it was just positive reinforcement, love, care, and kindness.

I don't think force is really necessary in regards to raising a child. You just need to be engaged with them, teach them, answer questions, and treat as a human being like any other. It wasn't discipline that made me understand moral behavior, but by following the example set by my grandparents and them explaining why such actions/ways of acting are moral.

Do you have siblings?
 
Meh. One of my best friends went to church twice a week as a child and had pretty strict parents, he is now a crackhead. I rarely attended church growing up and don't do drugs. I rarely even drink (drank a few beers on New Years eve, first time in like 9 months).
 

That's probably a good reason why your grandparents didn't lose their cotton pickin' minds. j/k

However, I have four children of my own, raised 6, and I rarely ever had to spank them, other than when they were tot's and touching things that may hurt them severely. As they grew up, there was always discipline, rules and regulations--our house was definitely not a democracy it was King and Queen rule. :) I think most parents would say the teenage years are the most colorful ones, to memory. *SIGH*

Even the good book says: "Spare the rod, spoil the child."

Edit to add: My husband and I were a united front too. That makes a huge difference as to the kids thinking they can win one over the other and pull other tricks. We ate dinner together, we prayed together and we had fun together, as well. These things are important, IMHO.
 
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Meh. One of my best friends went to church twice a week as a child and had pretty strict parents, he is now a crackhead. I rarely attended church growing up and don't do drugs. I rarely even drink (drank a few beers on New Years eve, first time in like 9 months).
I suggest you have a beer more often :)
 
I tend to disagree with this. My grandparents raised me without using any physical action, yelling, force, etc... They just taught me to be polite, treat others how I wanted to be treated, be respectful, and in turn they were respectful to me, talked to me like I was a person and not a "child", etc... I always did well in school. Basically it was just positive reinforcement, love, care, and kindness.

I don't think force is really necessary in regards to raising a child. You just need to be engaged with them, teach them, answer questions, and treat as a human being like any other. It wasn't discipline that made me understand moral behavior, but by following the example set by my grandparents and them explaining why such actions/ways of acting are moral.

I posted this in an older thread, but its worth reposting:
An especially powerful example of the influence of parenting style on moral development is found in the book, "The Altruistic Personality" by Samuel and Pearl Oliner. The Oliners conducted over 700 interviews with survivors of Nazi occupied Europe -- both "rescuers" (those who actively rescued victims of Nazi persecution) and "non-rescuers" (those who were either passive in the face of the persecution or actively involved in it). The study revealed profound differences in the upbringing of the two groups -- in both the language and practices the parents used to teach their values.

It likely comes as no surprise that the morality of adults reflects their moral education as children. What may surprise some, given traditional beliefs about moral education, is which kind of moral education leads to which result.

Non-rescuers were twenty-one times more likely than rescuers to have grown up in families that emphasized obedience -- being given rules that were to be followed without question -- while rescuers were over three times more likely than non-rescuers to identify "reasoning" as an element of their moral education. "Explained," the authors note, "is the word most rescuers favored" in describing their parents' way of communicating rules and ethical concepts.

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There is just one major exception, one way in which parents can actually impede their children's moral growth: "If it is simply indoctrination," he says, "it is worse than doing nothing. It interferes with moral development."

From: Raising Freethinkers pg. 34
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...uence-of-parenting-style-on-moral-development.
 
Meh. One of my best friends went to church twice a week as a child and had pretty strict parents, he is now a crackhead. I rarely attended church growing up and don't do drugs. I rarely even drink (drank a few beers on New Years eve, first time in like 9 months).
One of my cousins received corporal punishment and wound up a crackhead and got knocked up by some scummy guy. My sister was spanked, and she is so rude she's been fired from numerous jobs. She's a certified vet tech but now works in a school cafeteria. She also dropped out of high school. Got her GED later, tho.
 
One of my cousins received corporal punishment and wound up a crackhead and got knocked up by some scummy guy. My sister was spanked, and she is so rude she's been fired from numerous jobs. She's a certified vet tech but now works in a school cafeteria. She also dropped out of high school. Got her GED later, tho.

My middle sister (the drama queen) got preferential treatment in my house growing up. My father catered to her every whim. It enabled her in such ways, as an adult, she still cannot do things on her own--she has had two failed marriages and is in her early forties. She is the one in the family that is the most disrespectful, rude and downright mean. Being the eldest, I was used to set the examples and I got my share of ass whippings and punishments (a lot of it due to her, btw). Nevertheless, I am very independent, have done things without much help and turned out to be a productive human being, if I say so myself. :D I have no regrets and I am thankful my parents were strict with me when I was growing up. Oh and I did not have to married nor am I a drug addict-- just sayin'.
 
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