A conversation about 9/11 between myself and a friend of mine on Facebook.

[Professor8000]

Actually you didn't really answer her question there. I guess the only response would be that there are many of us that believe our government had a hand in 9/11 and they can't kill us all without making the others wake up and realize who the real enemy is.

I responded by showing her that the very premise of her question was flawed. To answer the question is to agree with the assumptions within the question.

 

[fr33]

Im sick of people calling others "truthers" as if there is something perverted and sick about asking very legitimate questions. No matter how absurd the govt explanation is, somehow we are all supposed to just accept it.

Instead of taking the pathetic and childish path of calling names, either present your reasoning or case one way or another, or get out. Insulting others seems to be the only goal of some here.

I meant no offense by using the label truther. Many truthers use the term themselves. I will probably continue to use it instead of saying people-that-believe-911-was-an-inside-job. If anyone is being childish it's the one that gets offended by simple term.

 

[Professor8000]

 

[thequietkid10]

Congratulations, you debated someone who obviously has not put any thought into 9/11 conspiracy theories while you seem well read on the talking points. Would you like a Gold Metal.

How about the "I make libertarians look as stuck up and as crazy as everyone thinks they are" reward.

 

[RickyJ]

I responded by showing her that the very premise of her question was flawed. To answer the question is to agree with the assumptions within the question.

This was her question I was talking about

If you HONESTLY believed that, why the fuck are you still living in America? Better get out before they get you next, right?

She is basically asking you why you are so bold to speak out about 9/11 and what the government did, on public forum with your real name, knowing they could come get you anytime they wanted to. That is a legitimate question.

The only good answer to that question is that you love this country more than your own life and that there are many of us, not just a few, so the risk of speaking out, while being real, is not as high as it would be if there were only a few 9/11 truthers.

 

[Professor8000]

Congratulations, you debated someone who obviously has not put any thought into 9/11 conspiracy theories while you seem well read on the talking points. Would you like a Gold Metal.

How about the "I make libertarians look as stuck up and as crazy as everyone thinks they are" reward.

My aim is to promote actual discussion on the topic and to look at all of the evidence offered. I really couldn't care less what your sophomoric opinion about my discussing this topic is. Leave the ad hominem attacks and demonization of logical thinkers off of this forum. If you wish to argue your beliefs about 9/11 go right ahead. But if you wish to demonize people with whom you disagree with, it will get you banned pretty quick on here.

 

[xkrazy201x]

Good thread, Professor8000! There's a couple points I would like to add. When you look into all the factors that comprised of the 9/11 attacks, there's a lot more evidence than just collapsing towers. For example, the passport of a hijacker found on the streets of New York. Where's the common sense gone to in this country? Especially on a site that exposes the fallacies of a bloated government. The same government that, most people on here would probably agree, lies to them. Is it any stretch of the imagination that the government would lie to world about 9/11?

 

[Professor8000]

Good thread, Professor8000! There's a couple points I would like to add. When you look into all the factors that comprised of the 9/11 attacks, there's a lot more evidence than just collapsing towers. For example, the passport of a hijacker found on the streets of New York. Where's the common sense gone to in this country? Especially on a site that exposes the fallacies of a bloated government. The same government that, most people on here would probably agree, lies to them. Is it any stretch of the imagination that the government would lie to world about 9/11?

If one were to stick to the easy arguments, then it wouldn't be any fun. It's the fact that I might not be considering all that there is to consider about the collapsing twin towers that makes this particular argument appealing to me. It also amazes me to see the cognitive dissonance that goes into other Ron Paul supporters calling me a "Conspiracy Theorist" when they rage about "government secrecy" and the government using false pretenses to go into other countries and start wars.

 

[QuickZ06]

Congratulations, you debated someone who obviously has not put any thought into 9/11 conspiracy theories while you seem well read on the talking points. Would you like a Gold Metal.

How about the "I make libertarians look as stuck up and as crazy as everyone thinks they are" reward.

You, stay quite kid.

 

[idiom]

Jet-A open-air burn temperature maxes out at about 600F.
In order to bend steel easily you need to get up to about 1500F.
It is possible to use kerosene-like fuels to heat steel to working temperatures, provided there is refractory involved.

If you heat a 1" bar of steel to orange heat and put it on an anvil, and swing at it with a 10-lb sledge, you will be able to bend that bar in a controlled fashion.
If you put that orange-hot bar on a hot cut hardy designed for cutting stock, you will need to swing that 10-lb sledge at least 3-4 times (with all your might) to shear it in half.
There is no hand tool in the world you can use to get a 1", 2000F degree steel bar to fail instantly. You need to up the ante to multi-ton three-phase power tools.

Steel does burn. Quite well, actually. You need a shit-ton of oxygen to do it. In the absence of oxygen steel does not burn. It will eventually crumble when it gets up close to 3000 degrees.
Burning also does not cause steel to fail instantly. It slowly eats it away, almost as if it's rusting in fast motion, and pieces of it ablate away.
The structural integrity of the steel erodes over time. A 1" round bar would become roughly 7/8", then 3/4", etc.

I am not a truther, by the way, only a part-time blacksmith.
I'm not quoting engineers. I'm only relating things I have witnessed first hand.
1" bars are NOT structural girders.

Other interesting things (ignoring the chemtrail chemicals on board both flights that burn incredibly hot) is that you are assuming everything was built to spec.

We had a building collapse in Christchurch during an earthquake that should have survived happily. Turns out the building work was all criminal. In fact the engineer had faked his degree.

 

[Noblegeorge]

Theres some truth to the Goebbels quote- "the bigger the lie, the more people will believe it." Its hard for a normal ethical person to believe that such a heinous act could be committed when we are appalled by a simple robbery. Its incomprehensible. In saying that its also even harder to believe that a cover up of such gargantuan proportions could be orchestrated. How many people would it involve...how many people would have to buy into it? Would no one come forward?? Its a huge pill to swallow. Factor into that the trust in the media and the reinforcing carried out day after day and it doesnt matter what argument you put forward, until people can embrace that this is even possible, you will be shunned and ridiculed.

Personally I think the official story regarding building 7 is completely ridiculous and anyone who takes the time to just look at it objectively will come to the same conclusion. How can some fire spread from an adjacent building bring down another building in that style? Someone mentioned momentum before...theres no momentum with building 7. To me it just looks impossible. But neither do I believe that Bush did this purposefully. No president would agree to it. More probable is some shadow agency did it and kept the main players in the government in the dark. Plausible deniability and all that...who knows.

 

[thequietkid10]

Why do people when talking about WTC7, completey ignore the structural damage caused from the debris of a much bigger building falling on it?

 

[Petar]

Why do people when talking about WTC7, completey ignore the structural damage caused from the debris of a much bigger building falling on it?

Ok, so if I punch you in the face really hard, then I bet that you will completely disintegrate, right?

Seriously man, pull your head out of you ass.

 

[thequietkid10]

Ok, so if I punch you in the face really hard, then I bet that you will completely disintegrate, right?

Seriously man, pull your head out of you ass.

Oh come on, the human body is designed to take impacts, nobody builds a skyscraper thinking, you know I better make sure that if they building gets hit by a burning pile of debris it will stay standing.