A Call to Secure Mexican Border's Southward Traffic

[libertythor]

Lord Xar is still missing the point that the US Government is restricting traffic OUT of the US. Doesn't this smell fishy?

Besides I would rather have drug cartels fueling insurrections in US borders than potentially living in a totalitarian state with a Berlin-like wall erected.

If you want to stem the tide of illegal immigration then actually enforce the laws. Investigating and pursuing the social security no match letters would be a start. There isn't even a need for a national ID card to do that.




Some of you guys need to be careful about clamoring for a "sealed border". Heck you never know! By enticing the cartels with potentially becoming legal American corporations they could help support and fund a constitutional revolt if necessary.


BTW Tijuana is only as or even less dangerous than a number of American inner cities. Shoot! Those gun laws really did the trick for stopping the rampant drug violence in Detroit and East Saint Louis! These cities are a lot more dangerous for the average law-abiding citizen than most Mexican municipalities.

 

[DamianTV]

Theyre trying to play along with the idea that Mexico gets all of its guns from the USA, we export guns in exchange for drugs. Only 15% of the guns in mexico are from the US.

If they really wanted to solve the problem, they should dig a trench and fill it with water along the entire border, fill in the swamp lands in florida with the dirt they got from digging the trench, then for all the gators that would be displaced by filling in the florida swamps, put the gators in the trench! Two problems solved at once!

 

[Josh_LA]

Constituent, if securing the border was their real agenda, why didn't they do it long ago? I mean, a whole lot of people have been begging our government to do so for a very long time.

so the fact it's not been done means it shouldn't be done?

 

[idiom]

How about flooding the far side of the border with crazy ass gangs that will rape and shoot any American silly enough to try and escape southward?

Oh they did that already?

 

[Lord Xar]

Lord Xar is still missing the point that the US Government is restricting traffic OUT of the US. Doesn't this smell fishy?
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Don't misinterpret my points. I am not missing the point at all. We have NO enforcement of the laws. So I said "shit, build a 100ft. tall wall..." - If we aren't gonna enforce the laws, build a damn wall. But building a damn wall won't happen because that would mean, an enforcement of the laws. I was being facetious. Then that knucklehead, open border apologist started up with his usual antics.

So Libertythor, don't misunderstand me. I don't think we'd need a wall IF the laws were enforced and we didn't offer welfare and 'give me give me' solutions to every illegal that wanders north. But that isn't reality. And even suggesting this "utopian libertarian' vibe is a disaster in the making.
You can't try to ponder the virtues of open borders and property and all of that when the whole system isn't even playing in the ballpark of those rules. Just what we need, 50+million new socialistic voters with no breadth of the virtues of this country voting......

 

[Kraig]

So Libertythor, don't misunderstand me. I don't think we'd need a wall IF the laws were enforced and we didn't offer welfare and 'give me give me' solutions to every illegal that wanders north. But that isn't reality. And even suggesting this "utopian libertarian' vibe is a disaster in the making.
You can't try to ponder the virtues of open borders and property and all of that when the whole system isn't even playing in the ballpark of those rules. Just what we need, 50+million new socialistic voters with no breadth of the virtues of this country voting......

So you discount ending welfare as an acceptable solution, because it isn't reality. Yet you promote locked down borders, which also are not a reality, because why? Neither is a reality, yet you discount one and not the other for the very same reason that applies to both? You are being a moron.

 

[Lord Xar]

So you discount ending welfare as an acceptable solution, because it isn't reality. Yet you promote locked down borders, which also are not a reality, because why? Neither is a reality, yet you discount one and not the other for the very same reason that applies to both? You are being a moron.

Another dummy wanders in. Why do I have to continually set correct these imbeciles? Reading comprehension is important Kraig, get on board. Next time you post, try not to make up an argument. This will make you look like less of a dolt. I set my points up, if you do not understand them or selectively decide to pick/choose (like a good open border liberal), then you - are the moron.

Let me be simple for you.

So you discount ending welfare as an acceptable solution, because it isn't reality.
I never said this. Stop making things up. You look stupid (gosh, I hate liberals/statists).
I would LOVE for us to end the welfare state. But why on earth would you advocate with such forcefullness open borders, when that would just promote, solidify and expand the welfare state?
That makes NO sense. I never denied or suggested no welfare. You decided to selectively manage my meanings in an order you chose. Stop the welfare, then we can talk about everything else.

Yet you promote locked down borders, which also are not a reality, because why
I promote locked down borders now. See, you fail to see my reasoning because you are working backwards in your thoughts. You would advocate, open borders which would create MORE welfare, welfare dependents AND leftist voters --- which would just destroy the whole concept of freedom. See, to me, you are the moron. When you pick/choose your battles, you have to do it strategically or else everything collapses.

My case in point is exactly what Ron Paul says ---- When you subsidize something, you get more of it.

So, in that case, wouldn't the order of business be to enforce the laws, stop the subsidizing etc..?

You and your apologists want to KEEP the borders open, allow all this illegal immigration THEN work out the details. That is backwards. That is suicide. Unfortunetly, we are currently reaping that line of sowing.....

Good day. knucklehead.

 

[Kraig]

Another dummy wanders in. Why do I have to continually set correct these imbeciles? Reading comprehension is important Kraig, get on board. Next time you post, try not to make up an argument. This will make you look like less of a dolt. I set my points up, if you do not understand them or selectively decide to pick/choose (like a good open border liberal), then you - are the moron.

Let me be simple for you.

So you discount ending welfare as an acceptable solution, because it isn't reality.
I never said this. Stop making things up. You look stupid (gosh, I hate liberals/statists).
I would LOVE for us to end the welfare state. But why on earth would you advocate with such forcefullness open borders, when that would just promote, solidify and expand the welfare state?
That makes NO sense. I never denied or suggested no welfare. You decided to selectively manage my meanings in an order you chose. Stop the welfare, then we can talk about everything else.

Yet you promote locked down borders, which also are not a reality, because why
I promote locked down borders now. See, you fail to see my reasoning because you are working backwards in your thoughts. You would advocate, open borders which would create MORE welfare, welfare dependents AND leftist voters --- which would just destroy the whole concept of freedom. See, to me, you are the moron. When you pick/choose your battles, you have to do it strategically or else everything collapses.

My case in point is exactly what Ron Paul says ---- When you subsidize something, you get more of it.

So, in that case, wouldn't the order of business be to enforce the laws, stop the subsidizing etc..?

You and your apologists want to KEEP the borders open, allow all this illegal immigration THEN work out the details. That is backwards. That is suicide. Unfortunetly, we are currently reaping that line of sowing.....

Good day. knucklehead.

You are just trying to justify your pragmatic approach. You blame my reading comprehension, then went on to try and justify what I accused you of doing, seems like my reading comprehension is just fine, you are just disappointed I don't see this the same way you do.

Believe me though, I get it, you think you are promoting the best solution based on the current times. What you are forgetting is that the same people you are hoping will lock down the borders in an effective way are the same people who rob you blind and hand the cash out to welfare recipients. What you forgetting is that these people cannot be trusted, certainly not with the power to control who comes and goes to this country, like everything else they will use it against us.

What you said here:

"You and your apologists want to KEEP the borders open, allow all this illegal immigration THEN work out the details. That is backwards. That is suicide. Unfortunetly, we are currently reaping that line of sowing....."

...just shows that you are not approaching this problem in a realistic way. No one in this discussion wants to just let everyone through and work out the details of the welfare mess it would create later, you are forgetting that no one here controls anything. All we can do is talk about what would be better, and hope it catches on. The people who control the borders have all the cards, and they also control the welfare system. They use welfare to create dependents and get votes, and they use the border to get new people on welfare. Handing them MORE power over the border, because they REFUSE to let go of the welfare money is not what I would consider logical. It's more like trying to negotiate with a thug and he's the only one with the guns. They have us beaten on both fronts, there is not much we can do at this point in time, but when the opportunity presents itself, and some or all of us actually have a say in how the border and everything else is run, we had damn well have something more ideal than a pragmatic plan that is based on a decaying society and failed government.

Stop trying to save what is already dead and move forward.

 

[constituent]

Don't misinterpret my points...

Lol, and then you misquote yourself:

So I said "shit, build a 100ft. tall wall..."

I believe it was a 300 ft. wall. Not that it's a big deal, just symptomatic of your larger use of bullshit and propaganda to back peddle and further your moronic, authoritarian agenda.

We have NO enforcement of the laws.

See, bullshit and propaganda. To say that we have NO enforcement of laws is an outright lie (building on your own misquoting of yourself, see, symptomatic).


Here's some more of your bullshit and propaganda, just to reinforce my point:

But building a damn wall won't happen because that would mean, an enforcement of the laws.

You know this to be untrue as the wall is already under construction, and again (b/c i know you lack in reading comprehension) laws are enforced.

Then that knucklehead, open border apologist started up with his usual antics.

Knucklehead? Beats telemarketer, I suppose.

I don't think we'd need a wall IF the laws were enforced and we didn't offer welfare and 'give me give me' solutions to every illegal that wanders north.

Once more, the laws are enforced, so you think we need a wall why again?

But that isn't reality. And even suggesting this "utopian libertarian' vibe is a disaster in the making.

Speaking of disasters in the making, did you hear that Obama is continuing to build your wall and has already floated trial balloons concerning stemming the southward traffic as well? Now THAT is a disaster ACTUALLY IN THE MAKING. Not some artificial strawman, nor empty rhetoric. Actual reality.

You can't try to ponder the virtues of open borders and property and all of that when the whole system isn't even playing in the ballpark of those rules.

Yes Xar, we know you're an advocate of eminent domain.

Just what we need, 50+million new socialistic voters with no breadth of the virtues of this country voting......

Wow go figure, more bullshit and propaganda. Are there 50+million socialistic voters now? What makes you think 50+million is even a sane number (hint: it's not)?

I'll let you return to teleharrasing old ladies now.

Peace, knucklehead.

 

[constituent]

Believe me though, I get it, you think you are promoting the best solution based on the current times. What you are forgetting is that the same people you are hoping will lock down the borders in an effective way are the same people who rob you blind and hand the cash out to welfare recipients. What you forgetting is that these people cannot be trusted, certainly not with the power to control who comes and goes to this country, like everything else they will use it against us.

Hatred can be blinding.

p.s., don't bother trying to seriously debate w/ Chosen's other account, the experience will be the same (note the attacks launched against you are exactly those used by "Chosen," though to a slightly lesser degree. Maybe Xar is just his simpleton friend--errrr, one of his simpleton friends.)

 

[Kraig]

Hatred can be blinding.

p.s., don't bother trying to seriously debate w/ Chosen's other account, the experience will be the same (note the attacks launched against you are exactly those used by "Chosen," though to a slightly lesser degree. Maybe Xar is just his simpleton friend--errrr, one of his simpleton friends.)

lol good call

 

[Lord Xar]

Hey Kraig, remember when I referred to "that lamebrain open border apologist" - well, meet Constituent. You two can hang out together since you are so close: (ie: see IP address).

 

[constituent]

Hey Kraig, remember when I referred to "that lamebrain open border apologist" - well, meet Constituent. You two can hang out together since you are so close: (ie: see IP address).

lol, keep digging jr.

(it's a shame you edited out what you originally wrote... oh well)

"Bob, yea bob, this is Xar, just calling to let you know about this great program we got running for you bob. Just send me 9.99 bob, and today only I can get you setup with this great program bob."

Lol, what a waste of space.

 

[Lord Xar]

lol, keep digging jr.

"Bob, yea bob, this is Xar, just calling to let you know about this great program we got running for you bob. Just send me 9.99 bob, and today only I can get you setup with this great program bob."

Lol.

OH I see!! hahaha. Wow, It took me this long to figure out the subtelty behind your childish jabs. LOL. I understand.

Let me explain this to everyone since Constitutent's childish games can be out in the open, since he happens to think he is being witty.

See, Constituent hasn't done much for the freedom movement. Oh sure, he finds himself interesting, but plays the devil advocate on most things, rather than actually going out and doing something. See, constituent is jealous. He doesn't have the willpower or motivation or social skills to actually affect anything.. but I digress.

Constituent thinks its funny, that nearly a hundred Ron Paul supporters across American who participated in the "Call4Paul" campaign, are lame. Even though I explained to him that I was a secondary player w/ Steven Vincent, he still finds it funny to demean dedicated supporters.
See, Call4Paul raised money to make hundreds of thousands of calls to Americans in key states. Contrary to an earlier report, which we were cleared (we were blamed that we were calling people too much), we got glowing reviews. Just check with Arizona, said we made a HUGE difference. Was the Call4Paul project without issues, of course not - it was a spur of the moment thing by some supporters and it wasn't planned as much as it should have been. But when you are dealing with days to formulate and implement, you get what you get. You would know this if you were in the real world and not some 'wet behind the ears' dimwit.

Now, between that or sending free poster signs or literature or whatever else (radio ads, tv ads, newspaper ads), I have something to talk about - he thinks it is beneath him or 'funny' to make fun of it. See Constituent, you can't demean that or anything i"ve been involved with because you've done nothing.. lets repeat, nothing. While you were on this board criticizing people and acting uppity, others were actually doing something - getting things done - making a difference.

Infact, I have one or two things planned that I will soon announce. What do you have planned? What are you doing.. oh wait.. let me answer that.. nothing. As usual.

 

[Kraig]

OH I see!! hahaha. Wow, It took me this long to figure out the subtelty behind your childish jabs. LOL. I understand.

Let me explain this to everyone since Constitutent's childish games can be out in the open, since he happens to think he is being witty.

See, Constituent hasn't done much for the freedom movement. Oh sure, he finds himself interesting, but plays the devil advocate on most things, rather than actually going out and doing something. See, constituent is jealous. He doesn't have the willpower or motivation or social skills to actually affect anything.. but I digress.

Constituent thinks its funny, that nearly a hundred Ron Paul supporters across American who participated in the "Call4Paul" campaign, are lame. Even though I explained to him that I was a secondary player w/ Steven Vincent, he still finds it funny to demean dedicated supporters.
See, Call4Paul raised money to make hundreds of thousands of calls to Americans in key states. Contrary to an earlier report, which we were cleared (we were blamed that we were calling people too much), we got glowing reviews. Just check with Arizona, said we made a HUGE difference. Was the Call4Paul project without issues, of course not - it was a spur of the moment thing by some supporters and it wasn't planned as much as it should have been. But when you are dealing with days to formulate and implement, you get what you get. You would know this if you were in the real world and not some 'wet behind the ears' dimwit.

Now, between that or sending free poster signs or literature or whatever else (radio ads, tv ads, newspaper ads), I have something to talk about - he thinks it is beneath him or 'funny' to make fun of it. See Constituent, you can't demean that or anything i"ve been involved with because you've done nothing.. lets repeat, nothing. While you were on this board criticizing people and acting uppity, others were actually doing something - getting things done - making a difference.

Infact, I have one or two things planned that I will soon announce. What do you have planned? What are you doing.. oh wait.. let me answer that.. nothing. As usual.

yawn

 

[constituent]

See, Call4Paul raised money to make hundreds of thousands of calls to Americans in key states. Contrary to an earlier report, which we were cleared (we were blamed that we were calling people too much), we got glowing reviews. Just check with Arizona, said we made a HUGE difference. Was the Call4Paul project without issues, of course not - it was a spur of the moment thing by some supporters and it wasn't planned as much as it should have been. But when you are dealing with days to formulate and implement, you get what you get.

You mean you raised some money to pay yourself and some cronies to do a bunch of robocalls that pissed tons of people off (including hq), and duplicated efforts already being made by the official campaign and other shameless opportunists (I haven't forgotten that you weren't the only one, to be fair and equitable about it)? yea, that was a real win.

As for merit badge flashing, I was assistant organizer for the meetup in my old hometown (the fourteenth ron paul meetup in the nation actually), I also contributed significantly to the original ron paul wiki, a notable contribution (of many) being the suggestion that individuals "make their own signs b/c homemade proves you care" and a number of other ideas that became staples of the grassroots culture (this includes charity in the name of RP). Even recommend to the webmaster at lrc that they make their RP archive accessible via link on the front page (which i was thanked for... i considered it an honor just to help and be heard, as i'd been a fan of lrc for sometime and didn't realize how tight of buds lr and rp were), they did.

That was all in the first week of the campaign.

Nevermind the countless hrs. spent drafting press releases for various individual's causes/actions/groups, free writing advice to various individuals seeking help with articulating the paul position on a number of issues and gas money spent driving myself, my wife and infant (at the time) daughter all around the ring inside Houston, S.A., Austin and Corpus placing (homemade) literature into local free publications and at various dairy queens (another staple of the grassroots culture).

Now, I could go on and on and on about this... ronpaulnation.com, window flyers, etc., etc., etc., ad nauseam but i won't. As previously mentioned, merit badge flashing really ain't my thing.

(as an aside, and all for what? for a campaign that was never really a campaign, but rather a protracted fundraiser--a fraud in a very real sense--to pay out a bunch of friends and family of some guy I never even met, and to spend too much time warding off attacks from yourself and other members of the "lowest common denominator" for actually having the 'intestinal fortitude™" to stand up for real liberty--unpopular as it is around here--?... hell of a reward, some thanks. life wasted, lesson learned.)



So run along now and go raise money for whatever police association or wtf/ever you're harassing folks over dinner for these days, as I'm done wasting my time with you.

 

[constituent]

yawn

+1

much better response than merit badge flashing, but maybe, just maybe, that'll get him to stfu.

i doubt it (again your response was waaaaay better and certainly more appropriate), but we'll see.

 

[Deborah K]

(as an aside, and all for what? for a campaign that was never really a campaign, but rather a protracted fundraiser--a fraud in a very real sense--to pay out a bunch of friends and family of some guy I never even met, and to spend too much time warding off attacks from yourself and other members of the "lowest common denominator" for actually having the 'intestinal fortitude™" to stand up for real liberty--unpopular as it is around here--?... hell of a reward, some thanks. life wasted, lesson learned.)

Are you referring to Ron Paul in this paragraph?

 

[Lord Xar]

yawn

So, you and Constitutient friend much?

hahahaha. Another cog in the cadre of imbeciles. Way to go Kraig. Now Constituent has his sidekick, and you fit that bill to a "T". LOL What a sorry looser.

 

[Lord Xar]

You mean you raised some money to pay yourself and some cronies to do a bunch of robocalls that pissed tons of people off (including hq), and duplicated efforts already being made by the official campaign and other shameless opportunists (I haven't forgotten that you weren't the only one, to be fair and equitable about it)? yea, that was a real win.

As for merit badge flashing, I was assistant organizer for the meetup in my old hometown (the fourteenth ron paul meetup in the nation actually), I also contributed significantly to the original ron paul wiki, a notable contribution (of many) being the suggestion that individuals "make their own signs b/c homemade proves you care" and a number of other ideas that became staples of the grassroots culture (this includes charity in the name of RP). Even recommend to the webmaster at lrc that they make their RP archive accessible via link on the front page (which i was thanked for... i considered it an honor just to help and be heard, as i'd been a fan of lrc for sometime and didn't realize how tight of buds lr and rp were), they did.

That was all in the first week of the campaign.

Nevermind the countless hrs. spent drafting press releases for various individual's causes/actions/groups, free writing advice to various individuals seeking help with articulating the paul position on a number of issues and gas money spent driving myself, my wife and infant (at the time) daughter all around the ring inside Houston, S.A., Austin and Corpus placing (homemade) literature into local free publications and at various dairy queens (another staple of the grassroots culture).

Now, I could go on and on and on about this... ronpaulnation.com, window flyers, etc., etc., etc., ad nauseam but i won't. As previously mentioned, merit badge flashing really ain't my thing.

(as an aside, and all for what? for a campaign that was never really a campaign, but rather a protracted fundraiser--a fraud in a very real sense--to pay out a bunch of friends and family of some guy I never even met, and to spend too much time warding off attacks from yourself and other members of the "lowest common denominator" for actually having the 'intestinal fortitude™" to stand up for real liberty--unpopular as it is around here--?... hell of a reward, some thanks. life wasted, lesson learned.)



So run along now and go raise money for whatever police association or wtf/ever you're harassing folks over dinner for these days, as I'm done wasting my time with you.

Wow, so basically - you've done alot of 'something' that can't be substantiated, and didn't amount to much. . Figures. Also, I never ever brought up "tooting my own horn" till you, lets repeat that - till you, thought it fun to demean a very worthwhile project. Take some responsibility Constituent, for once. Stop acting like a child.

Yeah, constitutuent, what do you mean here:

(as an aside, and all for what? for a campaign that was never really a campaign, but rather a protracted fundraiser--a fraud in a very real sense--to pay out a bunch of friends and family of some guy I never even met, and to spend too much time warding off attacks from yourself and other members of the "lowest common denominator" for actually having the 'intestinal fortitude™" to stand up for real liberty--unpopular as it is around here--?... hell of a reward, some thanks. life wasted, lesson learned.)

Are your true colors showing?