A Call to Secure Mexican Border's Southward Traffic

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A Call to Secure Mexican Border's Southward Traffic


Warren Mass | The New American
18 March 2009


During a March 17 combined hearing of the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime and Drugs and the Senate Caucus on International Narcotics Control, several U.S. officials put the spotlight on a new aspect of border control — stopping the southbound flow of guns and laundered cash into Mexico.

"Mexico and America are in this together, and there is enough blame to go around," said Senator Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), the subcommittee chairman and the Senate's assistant majority leader. "The insatiable demand for illegal drugs in the United States keeps the Mexican drug cartels in business." Durbin also stated that the Justice Department has found that three Mexican drug cartels — Federation, Gulf Coast, and Juarez — are active in Chicago, East St. Louis, and Joliet, Illinois. And he stated that lax U.S. gun laws and poor enforcement had created an "iron river of guns" that had armed "Mexican drug cartels to the teeth."

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D.-Calif.) seemed to relish the opportunity to use the hearings as a forum to push for more domestic gun control: "It is unacceptable to have 90 percent of the guns that are picked up in Mexico and used to shoot judges, police officers, mayors, kidnap innocent people and do terrible things come from the United States," said Feinstein. "I am appalled that you can buy a 50-caliber sniper weapon anywhere and it's not restricted to a federal firearms dealer — you can just buy it."

An "assault weapons" ban originally sponsored by Feinstein expired in 2004 and there has been opposition in Congress to renewing it.

Feinstein advocated a continuation of funding for the security aid package known as the Merida Initiative signed by Mexican President Felipé Calderon and former President George W. Bush. During the past month, Congress appropriated $300 million for this program. Congress also approved $10 million for the ATF's Operation Gunrunner anti-smuggling program in the economic stimulus bill.

The San Francisco Chronicle quoted Rep. Zoe Lofgren, (D-Calif.), chairwoman of the House Judiciary Committee's panel on immigration and border security, who criticized the Bush administration's policy of focusing on northbound immigrants while neglecting southbound arms and drug money that some people contend are arming and financing Mexican drug cartels. "It was a priority policy decision that tens of thousands of agents would go arrest dishwashers and busboys, meanwhile letting the machine guns get smuggled into Mexico, which has contributed to a very serious problem in Mexico that should concern all Americans," said Lofgren.

Lofgren continued: "Nobody is for people not adhering to the rules, but if I had to say what's more threatening to me, some guy busing my table or some guy shipping machine guns down to the drug cartels, I'd say it's the latter."

The Obama administration has signed in on this issue. Like Senator Feinstein, Attorney General Eric Holder has turned the drug war into an appeal for more gun control. "As President Obama indicated during the campaign," Holder recently said, "there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons. I think that will have a positive impact in Mexico, at a minimum."

Holder's statement drew a rapid response from CNN's conservative commentator, Lou Dobbs, who quite accurately observed: "Attorney General Eric Holder is willing to sacrifice our gun ownership rights under the Constitution for the benefit of a foreign government, in this case Mexico."

There are several factors to keep in mind in evaluating these pleas/arguments. Starting with our favorite reference point — the Constitution — our founding structural document authorizes the federal governmnent to protect each state against invasion. A natural part of that protection would surely include securing our borders and repelling any unlawful entry into the United States of persons unauthorized to come here. Historically, this role has included protection from invasion by foreign armies (as in the War of 1812), as well as controlling our points of entry against illegal immigration.

That our federal government has failed utterly in fulfilling the latter responsibility would be to belabor the obvious. Yet, there are those in Congress including Rep. Lofgren, who believe that our government has devoted too many resources to "arresting dishwashers and busboys," instead using those resources to "letting the machine guns get smuggled into Mexico."

Impassioned rhetoric aside (yes, restaurant dishes do seem a bit less threatening than machine guns), the failure of our government's efforts to prevent the 9/11 terrorist attacks was due precisely to the fact that our immigration officials did not know the nature of the terrorists or their purpose. Might not the next Mohammad Atta work as a dishwasher or busboy while planning his next hijacking? If the 9/11 hijackers could accomplish their mission while here legally, how much easier might potential terrorists hide among the masses of illegal aliens hiding in our midst?

In an interview with the San Francisco Chronicle related to the Washington hearing. Rep. Loretta Sanchez, (D.-Calif.), who is hardly a hard-liner when it comes to cracking down on illegal immigration, nevertheless made some pertinent points. One observation she made was, "The same routes and the same methods used to traffic drugs can be used to traffic undocumented workers."

Left unsaid, however, was that an unsecured border is an unsecured border, regardless of which direction an individual seeking to breech it is traveling. Therefore, a border across which gun smugglers can bring arms into Mexico is probably vulnerable enough for illegal aliens and drug smugglers to enter the United States.

Sanchez also commented on the ease with which one can cross the border going south, "What happens is that they do what we call a random check: Your car comes across, you roll down your window, you push a little button. If it gets a red light, you get taken over into secondary (for a further screening). If it gets a green light, you keep going."

This writer can verify the lack of border control on the Mexican side. When crossing the border over a pedestrian bridge from San Ysidro, California, to Tijuana, Mexico, in 1991, my family and I descended a flight of steps on the Mexican side, passed through a single-direction, gated turnstyle, and we were in Mexico, without ever having seen a Mexican official of any kind.

Perhaps the most important point that needs to be made about those (like Senator Feinstein) who want to make solving Mexico's illegal arms problem a U.S. problem, is that patrolling the other side of the border is Mexico's responsibility, not ours. Our Constitution tells our federal government to protect California and Arizona and New Mexico and Texas against invasion — not Baja California, Sonora, Chihuahua, and the rest of Mexico.

If terrorists were to bring Russian-made AK-47s into America, the solution would lie in making our borders stronger, not demanding that Russia ban "assault" weapons. And a member of the Federal Assembly of Russia who suggested that Russia should ban weapons so they would not fall into the hands of U.S. drug dealers would probably be given an all-expenses-paid vacation in Siberia!

The fact of the matter is, Mexico has neglected its border with the United States for years because it does not care how many Mexicans emigrate illegally into the United States. The money that illegal workers send back to Mexico is a boon to our neighbor's economy. But now that the flow of contraband has reversed, and weapons are finding their way to Mexico's drug cartels, even members of our own Congress who have ignored our leaky borders for years suddenly want them plugged!

One thing we can all agree upon is that secure borders are a necessity for the protection of every sovereign nation. Let us secure our side of the border, and let Mexico secure its side. And let us safeguard our constitutionally guaranteed right to keep and bear arms so that Americans can defend themselves from drug cartels and other threats.

Then, maybe, our nations can continue to live in peace.


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http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/immigration/899
 
Hooray for the border nazis.


This is the real agenda you knuckleheads and useful idiots.


(intentionally crass)
 
I never tried driving into Mexico but you can sure as hell walk across the border with whatever you want.
 
By the time most Americans decide they NEED to get the fuck out, the borders will be tight as a drum. Not to keep others OUT but to keep americans....IN.

:eek:
 
"Mexico and America are in this together, and there is enough blame to go around," said Senator Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), the subcommittee chairman and the Senate's assistant majority leader. "The insatiable demand for illegal drugs in the United States keeps the Mexican drug cartels in business." Durbin also stated that the Justice Department has found that three Mexican drug cartels — Federation, Gulf Coast, and Juarez — are active in Chicago, East St. Louis, and Joliet, Illinois. And he stated that lax U.S. gun laws and poor enforcement had created an "iron river of guns" that had armed "Mexican drug cartels to the teeth."

I was wondering who was pushing for that damned NAFTA Superhighway. Now I know.
 
Hooray for the border nazis.


This is the real agenda you knuckleheads and useful idiots.


(intentionally crass)

Constituent, if securing the border was their real agenda, why didn't they do it long ago? I mean, a whole lot of people have been begging our government to do so for a very long time.
 
Wait, Wait a minute.
"Mexico and America are in this together, and there is enough blame to go around," said Senator Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), the subcommittee chairman and the Senate's assistant majority leader. "The insatiable demand for illegal drugs in the United States keeps the Mexican drug cartels in business." Durbin also stated that the Justice Department has found that three Mexican drug cartels — Federation, Gulf Coast, and Juarez — are active in Chicago, East St. Louis, and Joliet, Illinois. And he stated that lax U.S. gun laws and poor enforcement had created an "iron river of guns" that had armed "Mexican drug cartels to the teeth."
Just Who was selling guns south of the border last time?

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Hooray for the border nazis.


This is the real agenda you knuckleheads and useful idiots.


(intentionally crass)

I say build a F'ing wall 300ft high, 20ft thick and keep all those people OUT of the United States. You might relish what unyielding illegal immigration has brought - perhaps you even have a foot in that game, but for most americans - we hate it. For many many MANY reasons.

Take your leftist propaganda elsewhere. "Border Nazi" ???? You sound like the knucklehead to me.
 
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I say build a F'ing wall 300ft high, 20ft thick and keep all those people OUT of the United States.

And the same wall would not be used to keep "us" in?

Riiiiiight.

Hey, Obama thanks you for the support.

You might relish what unyielding illegal immigration has brought - perhaps you even have a foot in that game, but for most americans - we hate it.

Leave it to a telemarketer to cast doubts and aspersion on the character of others.


Take your leftist propaganda elsewhere. "Border Nazi" ???? You sound like the knucklehead to me.

From you, a compliment.

What is leftist about less government interference, btw?

You sound like the leftist to me.

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(reader, please note the prophetic "Kalifornia 2003" painted on the picture above... ironically, xar's home state)
 
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Dude, you are always the first one to throw dispersions, a common lefty tactic. Trust me, unless there is a wall, I will WANT TO LEAVE -- your mentality is throwing this country into a shitpool. There is a plethora of data to support my belief that the tremendous amount illegal immigration is doing a tremendous amount of harm. So much so, that those with their heads in the sand are rather common, and get all choked up reading the sob stories of Jose or Maria who just want to make a better life for themselves ---

Also Constituent, you nimbly try to play the victim many times but I have your number. You and I BOTH want smaller government BUT you will advocate all destructive things because you will take that belief and make it fit with current implementation. I'd rather fix the government first before the 20million+ illegals get amnesty, then thru chain migration we get 20million more.. and most will vote 'left' -- which means MORE GOVERNMENT! Use your head. We can't advocate open borders because you want a small government yet it is precisely the big nanny state government that is promoting the behaviour.

Its like you advocate rehabilitiation for criminals, but you let them all out before the rehabilitation is in effect.

And because you are so clueless, read your post.. it was you who threw the first character assisinations, numbnuts.

You are a joke. You post 'pics' because your words matter naught. You are a bystander to the freedom movement. For all your bluster, I have yet to actually see anything you've done, participated in or accomplished.
Please post some more pics and make innuendos and comparisions that mean nothing and do nothing. Because it pretty much sums you up.

[ahhhh.... "Chosen" non-officially returns]



And the same wall would not be used to keep "us" in?

Riiiiiight.

Hey, Obama thanks you for the support.



Leave it to a telemarketer to cast doubts and aspersion on the character of others.




From you, a compliment.

What is leftist about less government interference, btw?

You sound like the leftist to me.

berlin-wall4.jpg



(reader, please note the prophetic "Kalifornia 2003" painted on the picture above... ironically, xar's home state)
 
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Dude, you are always the first one to throw dispersions, a common lefty tactic. Trust me, unless there is a wall, I will WANT TO LEAVE -- your mentality is throwing this country into a shitpool. There is a plethora of data to support my belief that the tremendous amount illegal immigration is doing a tremendous amount of harm. So much so, that those with their heads in the sand are rather common, and get all choked up reading the sob stories of Jose or Maria who just want to make a better life for themselves ---

Also Constituent, you nimbly try to play the victim many times but I have your number. You and I BOTH want smaller government BUT you will advocate all destructive things because you will take that belief and make it fit with current implementation. I'd rather fix the government first before the 20million+ illegals get amnesty, then thru chain migration we get 20million more.. and most will vote 'left' -- which means MORE GOVERNMENT! Use your head. We can't advocate open borders because you want a small government yet it is precisely the big nanny state government that is promoting the behaviour.

Its like you advocate rehabilitiation for criminals, but you let them all out before the rehabilitation is in effect.

And because you are so clueless, read your post.. it was you who threw the first character assisinations, numbnuts.

You are a joke. You post 'pics' because your words matter naught. You are a bystander to the freedom movement. For all your bluster, I have yet to actually see anything you've done, participated in or accomplished.
Please post some more pics and make innuendos and comparisions that mean nothing and do nothing. Because it pretty much sums you up.

Oh god, more insane, propaganda-fed psychobabble from Xar. Ok, here goes and then I'm done toying with you, i'll let you return to tele-hassling old ladies for donations...

Trust me, unless there is a wall, I will WANT TO LEAVE --

One more argument against your wall.

There is a plethora of data to support my belief that the tremendous amount illegal immigration is doing a tremendous amount of harm.

There is a plethora of data to support the fact that poverty is doing a tremendous amount of harm.

What's your point?

So much so, that those with their heads in the sand are rather common, and get all choked up reading the sob stories of Jose or Maria who just want to make a better life for themselves ---

Collectivist waste and agit-prop.

You and I BOTH want smaller government BUT you will advocate all destructive things because you will take that belief and make it fit with current implementation.

I see you trying to use big words. Bully for you, but this sentence makes no f*n sense.


I'd rather fix the government first before the 20million+ illegals get amnesty

More agit-prop, or do you have a valid source for this number?

(I get so bored handing your ass to you every time we meet.... yaaaaaawn)


We can't advocate open borders because you want a small government yet it is precisely the big nanny state government that is promoting the behaviour.


ZOMG, aren't you one of those english-first, english-only types? Yet you have no handle on the language yourself, figures.

Care to translate this blubbering non-sense?


Its like you advocate rehabilitiation for criminals, but you let them all out before the rehabilitation is in effect.

Your poor mother.


it was you who threw the first character assisinations, numbnuts.

Whose character did I assassinate?

You are a joke.

Yes, you are.

You are a bystander to the freedom movement.

What freedom movement? The one that says we need to have government force folks off of their property to build your wall so that we might be kept in?

I'm not even a bystander to that movement, I simply scoff and throw the occasional rotten tomato.


For all your bluster, I have yet to actually see anything you've done, participated in or accomplished.


Actually, there are quite a few out there who would disagree with you. I'm not into flashing merit badges though.

I would say that my early zeal is a major contributing factor in some of the mods continuing to put up w/ all they do from me.

Please post some more pics and make innuendos and comparisions that mean nothing and do nothing. Because it pretty much sums you up


In your opinion, but we see how much that's worth.

Thanks for playing though, and feel free to strap on your headset at any time.

It's been real, jr.
 
What is needed not a wall so much but for our f***ing government to enforce the immigration laws that are on the books and secure the border through border guards and better entry ports. But to control the flow of people into the country a "wall" is needed.

A wall should be put up to protect us "the people" from the drug gangs and to discourage illegal immigration and keep the jobs to American citizens. But on that note any company exploiting the use of illegal alien workers should be fined and if a multi-offender should have more severe consequences.

There is also problems with H1-B workers entering the US workforce by out government "needed" skilled workers which is bullshit because I work in the Technology field and there are tens of thousands of underemployed tech workers in this country that would like a job that is given to a Russian, Chinese, foreign H1-B worker....
 
What is needed not a wall so much but for our f***ing government to enforce the immigration laws that are on the books and secure the border through border guards and better entry ports.

So then you do support unconstitutional laws and their implementation?
 
Constituent, the same nonsense. Does it ever end?
I find it rather funny that you keep referring to "telemarketing". I have to laugh, I really do.
That was a side thing, the Call4Paul (created by Steven Vincent), and that little endeavor was one of many I was involved in. Infact, that endeavor most certainly was more than you have ever done for the freedom movement. Typical of you, isn't it? You're a do-nothing, say-everything type of person.

In reference to "toying" - constituent, you have no credibility here. You try so hard to be savvy and witty, but your just another wannabe. Lets take a look, shall we..



Oh god, more insane, propaganda-fed psychobabble from Xar. Ok, here goes and then I'm done toying with you, i'll let you return to tele-hassling old ladies for donations...
.. more of Constituents' babbling. More insults, more of nothing... this dude must really bore his gf to death. Hopefully, she doesn't speak english.


What's your point?
... I can lead a horse to water, but what happens after that, is anyones guess. If I have to spell something out to you, you ain't too bright.

(I get so bored handing your ass to you every time we meet.... yaaaaaawn)
I find this extremely funny. I feel the same way about you.


ZOMG, aren't you one of those english-first, english-only types? Yet you have no handle on the language yourself, figures.
When I have the time to go word by word thru your garbage, I will. Till then - I will leave the anal type A personality type shortcomings to you. Really constituent, is that the best you have? lol. You're a tool.


Your poor mother.
Your poor father. It is apparent you never measured up to his expectations and as a result, became very feminine in your approach on life. Much to your fathers chagrin, you turned out exactly like he feared. A blubbering idiot prone to wild imaginations.



What freedom movement? The one that says we need to have government force folks off of their property to build your wall so that we might be kept in?
More evading. You have a very transparent way of trying to deflect everything away from yourself. You come out swinging, so much so, that you look like a flailing idiot.

I'm not even a bystander to that movement, I simply scoff and throw the occasional rotten tomato.
Still more evading. Perhaps you should have an argument with yourself. Are you so stupid to not be able to know I was speaking about Ron Paul's freedom movement. You brought up the "telemarketing", so you made reference to promoting the movement. - It does appear I have to spell everything out for you. Perhaps you should change your name to "Bystander".


Actually, there are quite a few out there who would disagree with you. I'm not into flashing merit badges though.

I would say that my early zeal is a major contributing factor in some of the mods continuing to put up w/ all they do from me.
zeal? wow. I am humbled. In other words, you're a water boy. Yup, that about sums it up.

Thanks for playing though, and feel free to strap on your headset at any time.

It's been real, jr.

I'll play anytime. Contrary to what you might think, you're rather easy. You're not as witty, nor as intelligent as you think. Infact, your fairly transparent.

Now go get me a cup of water. I am slightly parched.
 
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Deploy military along border (like other countries)
Enforce existing laws.
Punish those who hire illegals.
End any welfare for anyone who isn't a citizen(I'd say end welfare totally but this state would flip out)
End this anchor baby b.s.
Use gestapo tactics to kick out remaining illegals.
 
So then you do support unconstitutional laws and their implementation?

For one group of people to illegal enter into a nation is a criminal act by our laws. To have an unprotected border and allow any one cross it with out some sort of control threatens our security as both a nation and the people within.

Even during WWI and WWII with the massive migration to the US there was control of immigrants coming into the country as first these people are not US citizens and there health and intentions were unknown. Now I'm not saying that crossing the Northern and Southern borders is a new thing, but with all the illegal immigrants entering the country there is still the same factor of lack of citizenship, health concerns, and there purpose here in the US. (Sure some are here for a better life but it now costs the American taxpayer for there health and any anchor they bring with them over the border, and they use all the social programs that are available and then you have the criminals that are up to no good.) Look at California the move liberal State in the Union - hurting for money now just because of all the illegals immigrants that take up all social programs.

Now for H1-Bs to be imported to take American work now is that constitutional? I find that UNAmerican!

There has to be a line drawn between common sense and the Constitution...
 
Could I interest a mod in moving the feud somewhere? Like, preferably, into a couple members' pm files?
 
That would be in stark contrast to the northern border, which goes on like this for miles. The house is in USA, the street in front of it is Canada (miles and miles long).

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That would be in stark contrast to the northern border, which goes on like this for miles. The house is in USA, the street in front of it is Canada (miles and miles long).

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Hiding under those false rocks are ex-military snipers. Canadians be warned!
 
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