Gary Johnson A call for unity between Paul supporters and Johnson supporters.

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I have seen the war between Ron Paul supporters and Gary Johnson supporters and I think it is rather silly that people in this movement have such a hard time following Ron Paul's advice, it is pretty simple to me.

We can not force our goodwill on anyone, we can only set good examples and hope people wish to emulate us. : Ron Paul

My suggestion would be that if you support Gary Johnson fine support him, that is what freedom is, If you support Ron Paul fine, most of us here do support Ron Paul and have for several years. If you support both fine, but lets stop eating our own.

The goal should be to grow the liberty movement not divide it, great movements are always destroyed from within, not the other way around.

I have seen the arguments from both sides and many statements are misguided. The whole notion that some claim they are turned off on Gary Johnson because Johnson supporters are trying to cram Johnson down your throats is the same excuse where many called people that didn't support Ron Paul sheep because, those people claimed they wouldn't support Ron Paul because Ron Paul supporters tried to force Paul on them. Do you see how silly that argument is?

How can anyone force anyone else to support someone?

My suggestion would be if you are not going to support Johnson fine, don't result to name calling of Johnson supporters, this makes you no better than the people that did the same thing to Ron Paul that pisses us off. Talking to people in a civil manner goes a long way, insulting them is counter productive and will accomplish nothing more than to isolate people that may share many of the same things you support.

You may not like the people you are working with, they may not like you, but we are all supposed to be working towards the same goal. So why don't we start with the things we agree on first and worry about the rest later?

Michael Badnarik said this best : We agree with each other about 98% of the time on most issues but, we spend 98% of the time bitching, complaining and arguing about the 2% we disagree on, this is why nothing gets done, and he is correct!

You don't like a post don't read it, it is easy to ignore posts and comments. You don't have to agree with people but you do need to find a way to work together to grow the movement and attempt to effect real change this country needs or we will accomplish nothing. Take the high road and let freedom work for a change.

For the record I have not given my support to Gary Johnson although I did get to spend some private time with him at paulfest in Tampa because I was staff. My vote is just that MY VOTE! I will not tell others what to do with their vote, please don't tell others what to do with theirs. Set good examples and educate them in a civil manner, you will win more people over that way in the long and short term.

If we continue down this us vs them attitude we only divide our numbers even more, I prefer to follow Ron Paul's example of integrity and I hope you will as well.
 
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I have seen the war between Ron Paul supporters and Gary Johnson supporters

What war ?, Some like him,, some will vote for him as a protest vote.
Some don't care for him at all. (that would be my case)
There is no "one size fits all".

And some are getting tired of the constant shoving him on us.
Why are you trying to aggravate that..new poster that just showed up here?
 
Agreed the discussion can be more civil, but because many of us are still undecided on what to do in two months friction is inevitable between those that are steadfast going to vote for GJ and those that are 100% against it.

Unfortunately many of us are caught in the cross-fire just trying to get more information about GJ that is based on fact as opposed to those that are trying to influence us for varying reasons whether it is to stop keeping people from donating to GJ and instead send money to some of the Republican Congressional races, or focusing on long term strategy of taking over the Republican party vs. helping to support third parties. And then there are those that don't consider those arguments at all and just want to vote on conviction based on the integrity of the best candidate available or being steadfast to voting for Ron Paul in a write-in no matter what.

It seems we are all in agreement for the most part what our end goals should be, it is how we get there and the approach to a solution that gets us tripped up as different camps seem to have different perspectives on what the best strategy and approach should be.
 
What war ?, Some like him,, some will vote for him as a protest vote.
Some don't care for him at all. (that would be my case)
There is no "one size fits all".

And some are getting tired of the constant shoving him on us.
Why are you trying to aggravate that..new poster that just showed up here?

I'm still undecided although leaning towards just writing-in Ron Paul, but after only reading a dozen or so threads on this topic I can tell that some people that are pushing against the idea of voting for GJ are making baseless accusations in order to convince people to not support him for reasons other than who he is as a candidate and what he does and does not stand for.

For example I think some here are more motivated, to make the case against GJ, with the idea that we should not be donating or spending any time volunteering on the GJ campaign and instead of making the argument that the money and time could be spent on more local races. Instead of making that argument they come up with false allegations, straw men arguments and non accurate reports of GJ's record in order to have an emotional appeal to other members of the forum as opposed to basing argument on fact. I think this is because those types of attacks are just faster to deal with and more devastating instead of having long discussions that require research that would take up a lot more time, in depth discussion and thought. This is just an observation, but yea, it's common place in politics I just don't like seeing it here.

I just don't understand why we can't have a civil discussion without pulling out all the tricks and the kitchen sink to stop conversations before they start, the more I look into GJ I think most people in the end will probably decide to just write-in Ron Paul, myself included. But certain people on this forum stooping to some low levels is surprising and frankly a little disgusting.
 
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I think people should vote for whomever they want, and those who want to get information should be able to get it. I think for a couple of days there was a huge push along the lines of we all HAVE to vote for him.... and there was push back. I am hoping that is over. Vote the way you feel best voting, but people shouldn't tag team people to try to bully them into someone they don't want to vote for.
 
I have to agree the bashing of Johnson is strange on this site or the daily paul. I think some of it is coming from the Romney trolls. I live in a state where we don't have a write in vote. I will be sticking it to the establishment with my vote. Some will vote Obama for what Romney did. Some will write in Paul. Yes I also feel that the Johnson lovers have kind of been taking over on this site when Paul was not going to win. They should of gone about it a little better. Like creating a good Johnson site like this instead of beating are heads with him.
 
I have to agree the bashing of Johnson is strange on this site or the daily paul. I think some of it is coming from the Romney trolls. I live in a state where we don't have a write in vote. I will be sticking it to the establishment with my vote. Some will vote Obama for what Romney did. Some will write in Paul. Yes I also feel that the Johnson lovers have kind of been taking over on this site when Paul was not going to win. They should of gone about it a little better. Like creating a good Johnson site like this instead of beating are heads with him.

that is the problem. There was a sense of them trying to take over this hive, and make the forum MISSION to vote for their candidate, and this hive is already inhabited -- so to speak. And many of us want to vote for our original candidate.
 
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that is the problem. There was a sense of them trying to take over this hive, and make the forum MISSION to vote for their candidate, and this hive is already inhabited -- so to speak. And many of us want to vote for our original candidate.

I would agree with this if Ron Paul was still running, but the truth is that we haven't been invaded instead what is happening is those that planned on voting for Ron Paul are now asking themselves ok now what? And are trying to answer that question for themselves, they can't do that without information so what better place to get information than to have a dialogue with others that are like minded and have been working with on liberty projects with for the last five years. :)

Sure one can say well just go do research on your own and make up your own mind, but networking with others, you can communicate with people that have found information that you wouldn't necessarily be able to find or have the time to discover. We as grassroots rely on each other to share in the research, some of us are better at it than others, but in the end we all benefit.
 
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I would agree with this if Ron Paul was still running, but the truth is that we haven't been invaded instead what is happening is those that planned on voting for Ron Paul are now asking themselves ok now what? And are trying to answer that question for themselves, they can't do that without information so what better place to get information than to have a dialogue with others that are like minded and have been working with on liberty projects with for the last five years. :)

That isn't what I was talking about. I'm talking about eight or so people who haven't posted here much tag teaming why people 'had' to vote for GJ. I have absolutely no problem with people discussing where they want to vote now that Ron won't be on the ballot. It is just those who were trying to mock or bully people into voting as they wanted them to vote to whom I objected.
 
By the way, before someone else points it out, OP you should capitalize the "p" in "Paul" in your thread title when calling for unity, doesn't look good in the same sentence with "Johnson" capital "j". lol.
 
That isn't what I was talking about. I'm talking about eight or so people who haven't posted here much tag teaming why people 'had' to vote for GJ. I have absolutely no problem with people discussing where they want to vote now that Ron won't be on the ballot. It is just those who were trying to mock or bully people into voting as they wanted them to vote to whom I objected.

The bully tactic should never be used, it doesn't and will never work. Civil debate is always the best way to attempt to win people over. That is exactly why I love my quote of Ron Paul, it speaks the truth.
 
That isn't what I was talking about. I'm talking about eight or so people who haven't posted here much tag teaming why people 'had' to vote for GJ. I have absolutely no problem with people discussing where they want to vote now that Ron won't be on the ballot. It is just those who were trying to mock or bully people into voting as they wanted them to vote to whom I objected.

Okay, I personally haven't really seen that, but I can understand your point.
 
I have been fairly vocal here at times about Gary Johnson being a good backup plan, not because I necessarily think he's that great of a candidate, but he isn't going to be elected anyway.... I look at it as a protest vote, to show our strength in numbers for the candidate who stands for the issues we care about (no NDAA, no Patriot Act or other liberty-stripping laws, no war, sound money, balanced budget as starters).

I still fully respect those who will write in Dr. Paul, I did the same the last go round before I even knew this movement existed, but (especially after finding out they didn't count mine or many others), I think the time has come for our voices to be heard, and to continue to change more minds. I want for people to wonder why we're all flocking to Dr. Paul and then voting for GJ. It's because they agree about the things that really matter.
 
I just don't agree that writing in GJ shows RON PAUL's numbers better than writing in Ron Paul and showing up as a none of the above vote. I can see why those who WANT to vote for GJ would, but it baffles me why people who want to vote for RonPaul would think that better shows up by voting for someone else.
 
All they did was ask for peace between the two sides.

I think I'll start up a Virgil Goode grassroots site tomorrow and plan a moneybomb for him.

Just look at the issues Ron has run on: audit the Fed, the gold standard, and a non-interventionist foreign policy. That’s our platform! Campaigning on the issues that matter most to those who believe in the Constitution will resonate with Ron Paul supporters.
--Virgil Goode Constitution Party candidate 2012.
http://www.goodeforpresident2012.com/campaign-news.html
 
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