A Brokered Convention

[acptulsa]

If they can marginalize Rand Paul with their Fox b.s. and all these paid trolls infesting the 'net, then you will see some of these seventeen candidates drop out even before Iowa. If not, they're going to leave everyone in this to the bitter end, and do their damnedest to ensure a brokered convention.

We need to be there. We need to do our delegate strategies, attend our county conventions, and pack that hall. They are giving us no choice.

We have the numbers, the savvy and the dedication to take that end game away from them. And we had better do so.

 

[timosman]

I will do that if Rand registers on this forum and makes a post asking for help.

 

[acptulsa]

I will do that if Rand registers on this forum and makes a post asking for help.

Suit yourself. I won't sit around waiting for my candidate to violate FEC regulations just because I want him to personally kiss my ass. To each his own.

 

[Dianne]

It's not a good idea for Rand to register on this forum. The news media will cherry pick certain comments on this forum and say those comments are endorsed by Rand.

 

[timosman]

It's not a good idea for Rand to register on this forum. The news media will cherry pick certain comments on this forum and say those comments are endorsed by Rand.

They can do the same with twitter or fapchat.

 

[69360]

This again? Didn't happen last time, won't happen this time. They will all drop out when they are told to and Bush will be nominated at the convention. It's already been decided.

 

[Crashland]

Does it go against regulations? In 2008 I remember Mike Huckabee stopped in the HucksArmy.com chat a few times to say thank you to supporters.

 

[Crashland]

With the field the way it is now, a brokered convention is not out of the question. Especially with so many states going early with proportional delegate allocation, might be tough for any one candidate to get a majority.

 

[acptulsa]

This again? Didn't happen last time, won't happen this time. They will all drop out when they are told to and Bush will be nominated at the convention. It's already been decided.

Except they're all there for good reasons. One is to 'suck all the air out of the room'. Another is that Rand Paul has the ground game to win in the caucuses of Iowa. If that happens, they will suddenly have nothing to lose by trying to game the convention.

Nothing has been decided. Which is why they are working so hard to cover every base. And we are fools if we don't ignore the naysayers and do the same.

 

[erowe1]

There won't be 17 candidates sticking it out the whole way. But if Trump, Rand, and an establishment guy do, a brokered convention is conceivable. I don't know what Trump's game is. I doubt that he really wants the nomination. But if he does, then I don't picture him dropping out "for the good of the party." And in the unlikely event that that does happen, yeah, we definitely want to stack the delegate pool with our people.

 

[Jan2017]

Caucus state delegates like the Colorado delegation will be at the GOP National Convention for the Presidential and Vice-Presidential GOP ticket -
date I think is July 2016 in, of course, Cleveland, Ohio.

Rand can run as an independent for his senate seat in Kentucky and probably could opt out of the GOP senate primary if needed as well.

A three way senate race in Kentucky at the worst . . .
Trey Grayson (if he wins the GOP Senate primary), a Democrat Senatorial candidate, and an Independent -
who is also the incumbent Senator.

Who would win ?

 

[Crashland]

Caucus state delegates like the Colorado delegation will be at the GOP National Convention for the Presidential and Vice-Presidential GOP ticket -
date I think is July 2016 in, of course, Cleveland, Ohio.

Rand can run as an independent for his senate seat in Kentucky and probably could opt out of the GOP senate primary if needed as well.

A three way senate race in Kentucky at the worst . . .
Trey Grayson (if he wins the GOP Senate primary), a Democrat Senatorial candidate, and an Independent -
who is also the incumbent Senator.

Who would win ?

I don't think Paul can run as an independent - KY law prevents the candidate's name from appearing for more than one position on the same ballot, regardless of party I believe. However, deciding to go independent would allow the Republicans to have a backup plan for the senate seat if Rand does win the nomination.

 

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

Delegates for all non-Paul and non-Trump candidates will go to Bush.

 

[Jan2017]

I don't think Paul can run as an independent - KY law prevents the candidate's name from appearing for more than one position on the same ballot, regardless of party I believe. However, deciding to go independent would allow the Republicans to have a backup plan for the senate seat if Rand does win the nomination.

Independent for the Senate seat -
so he does not have to be making a decision before the GOP Senate primary against Trey Grayson - again - who wants to try again if Rand is not there.

If he / we all go for the brokered convention, Rand would not have to be in the KY primary for Senate.

 

[cajuncocoa]

It's much too soon to assume Trump will even make it to Iowa.

But if he does, and if it requires a brokered convention to get the job done in 2016, I say go for it.

In 2012 some had a reason not to want to rock the boat...Rand was waiting in the wings. In 2016, there is no such reason anymore.

It's all in or get out.

 

[Wilf]

Delegates for all non-Paul and non-Trump candidates will go to Bush.

Depends on the other candidates.

 

[rich34]

Except they're all there for good reasons. One is to 'suck all the air out of the room'. Another is that Rand Paul has the ground game to win in the caucuses of Iowa. If that happens, they will suddenly have nothing to lose by trying to game the convention.

Nothing has been decided. Which is why they are working so hard to cover every base. And we are fools if we don't ignore the naysayers and do the same.

Exactly, I've been thinking this for quite some time now. I'm also not so sure of just how much control they have over some these candidates. Ted Cruz for instance is so full of himself I could see him doing just that. And all it takes is for one guy to dissent and all the other ego centric candidates will follow. For instance, I'm sure Ted knows Rand is in this for the long haul, so therefore Ted being the used car salesman he is will not be out done. So we know we have at least two guys that will not drop out. Now that not only starts playing into the ego of the other candidates, but also potentially the necessity of the establishment to keep their guys in there to gather up as many establishment delegates as possible. If the field stays crowded, and Rand can merely turn out the support his father had he's essentially going to win more delegates than Ron did due to legit friction between candidates supporters and not being able to band together at the state conventions thus diluting the vote. I know this has all been talked about before blah blah blah, but if there were ever a time that this could work, it's now. A perfect storm if you will.

 

[rich34]

Depends on the other candidates.

And the supporters themselves, I think in this politically charged environment even if they don't consider our guy to be the most "anti-establishment" guy, I still don't see them simply abandoning their perceived anti-establishment streak just to throw their support to Bush. If Rand brings in the most delegates to said particular state and the choice is between Rand and Bush, I can't see the Cruz people necessarily going to Bush. The same for Trump. Although, I think his supporters are going to be shocked IF he starts winning some of these primaries, but starts losing the delegate race due to the fact that they don't know what their doing or how to play the game. That's the advantage, big advantage, that Rand has over these other candidates. Of course having a friendly media would be nice...

 

[rich34]

It's much too soon to assume Trump will even make it to Iowa.

But if he does, and if it requires a brokered convention to get the job done in 2016, I say go for it.

In 2012 some had a reason not to want to rock the boat...Rand was waiting in the wings. In 2016, there is no such reason anymore.

It's all in or get out.

Hell yeah, I like your style!

 

[rich34]

I don't think Paul can run as an independent - KY law prevents the candidate's name from appearing for more than one position on the same ballot, regardless of party I believe. However, deciding to go independent would allow the Republicans to have a backup plan for the senate seat if Rand does win the nomination.

Honestly, if Rand can miraculously pull out the GOP nomination, not saying I don't care about losing a senate seat or the possibility of Rand losing and not being in Washington anymore, but I could give to shits what happens to that senate seat. If team Paul can get over the hurdle of winning the GOP nomination I honestly think the grassroots from 2008 and 2012 would instantly Rise from the Dead. Not being able to win the GOP nomination is what has a lot of people down in the dumps for fear of "them" not letting him, but if that occurs I promise you'll see every Ron Paul supporter in the country come out of the woodwork. Oh and even Ron Paul himself.