A Book for the "Zeitgeisters"

[Theocrat]

Since the movie Zeitgeist has been produced and thousands, if not millions, of viewers have watched this movie on the Internet, there have been several questions stirred up about the origins of Christianity, the historical reality of Jesus Christ, and the integrity of the teachings of the Bible. As a result, many non-Christians have been duped into believing lies and myths about Christianity which are simply not founded on any historical scholarship and Biblical exegesis.

This book does a great job of dealing with the accusations against Christianity presented in Part 1 of the Zeitgeist movie on religion. It is a great read for anyone wanting to know the truth of Christianity, as well as exposing the lies about Christianity in Zeitgeist. Don't let the "New World Order" fool you into believing that Christianity is based on falsehoods because that's exactly what proponents of the NWO want you to believe in order to eradicate all religion (except their own, of course).

 

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Here is a good video in response to that book:

"Zeitgeist, Part 1" Debunked? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_9ZyddjaM4

 

[mlmvh]

Here is a good video in response to that book:

"Zeitgeist, Part 1" Debunked? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_9ZyddjaM4

Thanks, Dirk!

 

[LibertyEagle]

Has this forum turned into a Christian-bashing, anti-Constitution, anti-Founding Fathers, America-hating, forum?

Just wondering, because this seems to be quite different than what Ron Paul espoused and what he has worked for all of his life.

 

[Dr.3D]

Has this forum turned into a Christian-bashing, anti-Constitution, anti-Founding Fathers, America-hating, forum?

Just wondering, because this seems to be quite different than what Ron Paul espoused and what he has worked for all of his life.

Sad isn't it?

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Has this forum turned into a Christian-bashing, anti-Constitution, anti-Founding Fathers, America-hating, forum?

Just wondering, because this seems to be quite different than what Ron Paul espoused and what he has worked for all of his life.

More like pro-liberty, anti-Hamiltonian, Statism-hating forum (IMHO). I think RP worked (and works) for freedom of speech too-even speech he doesn't like. We've got our share of wackos, but that's to be expected from any group of individuals. lol

 

[dannno]

That's funny, I've watched Zeitgeist a boatload of times and do not once remember hearing them say that they disproved Christianity.

Why is it that Christians keep complaining that Zeitgeist attempts to disprove Christianity when it ultimately does nothing of the sort? All it does is show how that there are no records of any historians around during the time of Jesus to record his words or his story. Maybe the records did exist and they were destroyed by governments and entities controlled by the elite because they don't want certain truths to get out. Maybe true Christianity has existed throughout time and in various cultures around the world and is eventually perverted by all cultures into the mish mash of similar Pagan beliefs that they present in the film. Maybe that is why Pagan religions have so many common elements shared with each other as well as Christianity. Maybe that's why gold plates from South America were found with writings prophesying Jesus' virgin birth, resurrection and visitation (see The Book of Mormon, LDS)

There are patterns everywhere. I think they are important.

 

[WRellim]

That's funny, I've watched Zeitgeist a boatload of times and do not once remember hearing them say that they disproved Christianity.

Why is it that Christians keep complaining that Zeitgeist attempts to disprove Christianity when it ultimately does nothing of the sort? All it does is show how that there are no records of any historians around during the time of Jesus to record his words or his story. Maybe the records did exist and they were destroyed by governments and entities controlled by the elite because they don't want certain truths to get out. Maybe true Christianity has existed throughout time and in various cultures around the world and is eventually perverted by all cultures into the mish mash of similar Pagan beliefs that they present in the film. Maybe that is why Pagan religions have so many common elements shared with each other as well as Christianity. Maybe that's why gold plates from South America were found with writings prophesying Jesus' virgin birth, resurrection and visitation (see The Book of Mormon, LDS)

There are patterns everywhere. I think they are important.

Actually, Zeitgeist lies about nearly everything... INCLUDING pagan beliefs.

Anyone who knows anything about Egyptian mythology (or has bothered to even take say 5 minutes of time on wikipedia to look up anything about it) will come to the same conclusion -- the guy who made the "zeitgeist" doesn't give a shit about whether what he is pushing is a total fiction -- he knows that as long as propaganda goes along with peoples' predisposed opinions ("proving" what they want to believe anyway) then he can sucker them into buying a host of other bullshit he's slinging.

To me the film DOES serve a purpose; it is a valuable touchstone on just how gullible and ignorant someone is -- if they "buy into" the film, like it, and push int onto other -- then it confirms that they have ZERO discernment (or intellectual honesty, OR research skills). Ergo they will fall for anything (especially if it is properly "packaged up" to play on their prejudices).

 

[dannno]

Actually, Zeitgeist lies about nearly everything... INCLUDING pagan beliefs.

Anyone who knows anything about Egyptian mythology (or has bothered to even take say 5 minutes of time on wikipedia to look up anything about it) will come to the same conclusion -- the guy who made the "zeitgeist" doesn't give a shit about whether what he is pushing is a total fiction -- he knows that as long as propaganda goes along with peoples' predisposed opinions ("proving" what they want to believe anyway) then he can sucker them into buying a host of other bullshit he's slinging.

To me the film DOES serve a purpose; it is a valuable touchstone on just how gullible and ignorant someone is -- if they "buy into" the film, like it, and push int onto other -- then it confirms that they have ZERO discernment (or intellectual honesty, OR research skills). Ergo they will fall for anything (especially if it is properly "packaged up" to play on their prejudices).

I don't buy this at all. You think you know everything about Egyptian mythology, and because of this you miss the entire point of the film. This stuff is thousands of years old, and you claim that there are certain truths to be known about the beliefs of people from thousands of years ago, you claim that their beliefs are static which is complete insanity, and that these ultimate truths some how clash with the film? Give me a break. Seriously.

EVERYTHING in Zeitgeist is referenced to a published work. You should at least be honest and say that they are using works that have been discredited by the mainstream Egyptian Industrial Mythology Complex and that you buy everything that the Egyptian Industrial Mythology Complex says because you are a tool. Honesty is very important.

 

[WRellim]

I don't buy this at all. You think you know everything about Egyptian mythology, and because of this you miss the entire point of the film. This stuff is thousands of years old, and you claim that there are certain truths to be known about the beliefs of people from thousands of years ago, you claim that their beliefs are static which is complete insanity, and that these ultimate truths some how clash with the film? Give me a break. Seriously.

EVERYTHING in Zeitgeist is referenced to a published work. You should at least be honest and say that they are using works that have been discredited by the mainstream Egyptian Industrial Mythology Complex and that you buy everything that the Egyptian Industrial Mythology Complex says because you are a tool. Honesty is very important.

Actually NOTHING in the "zeitgeist" thingee is reference to ANY published work.

It's all pure bullshit from start to finish.

People buy into it because they WANT to, it "confirms" what they have "always thought was true" -- pure confirmation bias.

 

[dannno]

Actually NOTHING in the "zeitgeist" thingee is reference to ANY published work.

It's all pure bullshit from start to finish.

People buy into it because they WANT to, it "confirms" what they have "always thought was true" -- pure confirmation bias.

Wrong.

I have debated this with people on here who claim to be Egyptologists of some sort, and as soon as I come up with the reference in question, they act like Bill O'Reilly sluffing off a New York Times article.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

IMHO,

Zeitgeist is not at all a serious documentary or academic probe into the matter it covers. It's just an opinion piece that the producers made.

However, the producer does provide a bibliography on his site (well, he did a few years ago when I first saw it). I haven't had a chance to dig into it yet, but it might be interesting.

 

[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_9ZyddjaM4&eurl

 

[dannno]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_9ZyddjaM4&eurl

Debunkers of Zeitgeist Part 1 be PWNed.

 

[raiha]

Danno well refuted!!

Why are people so threatened by the content of the film? It seems to whip up an antagonistic lather directly disproportionate to the message. There is such alot of CERTAINTY abounding IMHO which is rather disappointing as it eliminates any potential for reflection, exploration, fascination, discussion. It is almost as though peoples' very identity becomes threatened by alternative views.

 

[BeFranklin]

Actually, Zeitgeist lies about nearly everything... INCLUDING pagan beliefs.

Anyone who knows anything about Egyptian mythology (or has bothered to even take say 5 minutes of time on wikipedia to look up anything about it) will come to the same conclusion -- the guy who made the "zeitgeist" doesn't give a shit about whether what he is pushing is a total fiction -- he knows that as long as propaganda goes along with peoples' predisposed opinions ("proving" what they want to believe anyway) then he can sucker them into buying a host of other bullshit he's slinging.

To me the film DOES serve a purpose; it is a valuable touchstone on just how gullible and ignorant someone is -- if they "buy into" the film, like it, and push int onto other -- then it confirms that they have ZERO discernment (or intellectual honesty, OR research skills). Ergo they will fall for anything (especially if it is properly "packaged up" to play on their prejudices).

Yes, its pretty bad.

Jesus was probably not born on dec 25th, it isn't in the bible. There were no wise men at his birth - thats just how people set up their decorations, and there were 12 disciples because there were 12 tribes of israel, so its all made up.

I tried to explain to someone how bad this movie was who was pushing it, and was told that if I wanted to continue to believe in fairy tales I could.

Yes, I'm sick of it

 

[H Roark]

People who watch Zeitgeist need to ask themselves why the narrator thinks it is necessary for those that follow any of the Abrahamic religions must renounce them in order to bring on this utopia he envisions? What is it specifically about these religions and in particular Christianity that prevents followers from accepting a technocracy?

I believe the answer to that question will expose the true agenda behind the Venus Project.

This is why people in the RP movement really need to refrain from alienating Christians. There were many other religions that were abound during the Roman Empire, but it was Christianity that was specifically targeted because their supreme allegiance belonged to the Lord, not the state (emperor).

I found a debate with Mark Dice vs. Peter Joseph of Zeitgeist that revolved around Chapter 1 of the first Zeitgeist. Although, I wished Mark Dice would of been better prepared...

I know a few people that have seen Zeitgeist and fancy themselves as politically savvy and in-the-know just because they've seen this shitty movie! I have to admit however, that it is probably the best produced piece of alternative media propaganda, which is what makes it especially dangerous. It plants the seeds of technocractic government into the minds of people who would otherwise be apathetic.

 

[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

The attack against dogmas as such, therefore, strongly resembles the struggle against the general legal foundations of a state, and , as the latter would end in a total anarchy of the state, the former would end in a worthless religious nihilism.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

The greatness of every mighty organization embodying an idea in this world lies in the religious fanaticism and intolerance with which, fanatically convinced of its own right, it intolerantly imposes its will against all others.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

The greatness of Christianity did not lie in attempted negotiations for compromise with any similar philosophical opinions in the ancient world, but in its inexorable fanaticism in preaching and fighting for its own doctrine.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

 

[dannno]

Yes, its pretty bad.

Jesus was probably not born on dec 25th, it isn't in the bible. There were no wise men at his birth - thats just how people set up their decorations, and there were 12 disciples because there were 12 tribes of israel, so its all made up.

I tried to explain to someone how bad this movie was who was pushing it, and was told that if I wanted to continue to believe in fairy tales I could.

Yes, I'm sick of it

Will you please watch this, it refutes EVERY point you just mentioned and it was right in front of your post. Ridiculous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_9ZyddjaM4&eurl

 

[dannno]

People who watch Zeitgeist need to ask themselves why the narrator thinks it is necessary for those that follow any of the Abrahamic religions must renounce them in order to bring on this utopia he envisions? What is it specifically about these religions and in particular Christianity that prevents followers from accepting a technocracy?

I believe the answer to that question will expose the true agenda behind the Venus Project.

This is why people in the RP movement really need to refrain from alienating Christians. There were many other religions that were abound during the Roman Empire, but it was Christianity that was specifically targeted because their supreme allegiance belonged to the Lord, not the state (emperor).

I found a debate with Mark Dice vs. Peter Joseph of Zeitgeist that revolved around Chapter 1 of the first Zeitgeist. Although, I wished Mark Dice would of been better prepared...

I know a few people that have seen Zeitgeist and fancy themselves as politically savvy and in-the-know just because they've seen this shitty movie! I have to admit however, that it is probably the best produced piece of alternative media propaganda, which is what makes it especially dangerous. It plants the seeds of technocractic government into the minds of people who would otherwise be apathetic.

Zeitgeist 1 is great, it is well documented and truthfully gives a lot of important information. Zeitgeist 2 does the same, except for the proposed (false) solution.