86 Years Ago, Hitler Carried Out a “False Flag” Showing How Gov’t Can Control

[acptulsa]

I am always open to the possibility that I am wrong and when I see evidence that contradicts my previous belief, I will go with it.

Bloody Sunday (1939) Bloody Sunday (German language: Bromberger Blutsonntag; Polish language: Krwawa niedziela ) was a series of killings against the German minority that took place at the beginning of World War II. On September 3, 1939, two days after the beginning of the German invasion of Poland, highly controversial killings occurred in Bromberg...

http://military.wikia.com/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1939)

Perhaps you're thinking of a massacre or massacres in Danzig?

Needs. Work.

You know, there are places on the internet where putting a positive spin on Hitler is appreciated and even encouraged. Places where they like socialism, love fascism and adore collectivism. Places like stormfront.

 

[juleswin]

http://military.wikia.com/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1939)

Perhaps you're thinking of a massacre or massacres in Danzig?

Needs. Work.

Yup, I think that is the one. Also, I read that the Poles were blocking the German's from freely traveling to their territory in Prussia. Add to that all the killing of ethnic Germans and u have a reason for war. They didn't need a false flag operation to have a reason to knock out Poland.

Imagine what the US would do if little Canada were killing ethnic Americans and denying us land access to Alaska. I would the first to sign up to that war(not really but that would be the closest thing that would make me wanna fight)

 

[juleswin]

You know, there are places on the internet where putting a positive spin on Hitler is appreciated and even encouraged. Places where they like socialism, love fascism and adore collectivism. Places like stormfront.

The funny thing about stormfront is that there aren't many pro Hitler people there. Majority of the people there still say idiotic things like Hitler should have gassed all the jews when I am thinking to myself, shouldn't you people be the ones saying that he didn't gas the jews? but no, most of them buy into the whole western narrative about Hitler except where the west sees it as a negative they see the atrocties as a positive. The place is filled with very confused people.

My time there was very depressing especially seeing how the majority eventually went with Trump. Its not as simple as they support socialism, they are libertarians, union supporting dems, christian right people, neocon conservatives etc there. Only thing they have in common is their support to make the US an ethnic homeland for white people.

 

[acptulsa]

Yup, I think that is the one. Also, I read that the Poles were blocking the German's from freely traveling to their territory in Prussia. Add to that all the killing of ethnic Germans and u have a reason for war. They didn't need a false flag operation to have a reason to knock out Poland.

The Prussians and the Poles have a history of antagonism going back through hundreds of years of acts and retaliations and escalations. Historians do not pluck one incident out of the middle of that and use it as evidence of something. That is what propagandists do.

The funny thing about stormfront is that there aren't many pro Hitler people there. Majority of the people there still say idiotic things like Hitler should have gassed all the jews when I am thinking to myself, shouldn't you people be the ones saying that he didn't gas the jews? but no, most of them buy into the whole western narrative about Hitler except where the west sees it as a negative they see the atrocties as a positive. The place is filled with very confused people.

My time there was very depressing especially seeing how the majority eventually went with Trump. Its not as simple as they support socialism, they are libertarians, union supporting dems, christian right people, neocon conservatives etc there. Only thing they have in common is their support to make the US an ethnic homeland for white people.

Well, that's an enlightening statement. We just learned several things about you. One of those things is you have no earthly clue what a libertarian is. What a libertarian is not is a collectivist. What a person who wants to create an ethnic conclave is is a collectivist.

Therefore you encountered no libertarians there. Get your eyes checked.

 

[juleswin]

The Prussians and the Poles have a history of antagonism going back through hundreds of years of acts and retaliations and escalations. Historians do not pluck one incident out of the middle of that and use it as evidence of something. That is what propagandists do.

I have to say that your reading comprehension must not be your strongest suit, I said all the killings and denial of access to their territory, how did regard all that I said as one event.

Well, that's an enlightening statement. We just learned several things about you. One of those things is you have no earthly clue what a libertarian is. What a libertarian is not is a collectivist. What a person who wants to create an ethnic conclave is is a collectivist.

Therefore you encountered no libertarians there. Get your eyes checked.

You have a tendency of jumping to conclusions. These people were libertarians, the ones I talk about are collectivists but they are the sort of libertrains that also believe in the NAP. They talk about options of buying out the non whites to leave the country or buying up land in Montana with like minded people and making that a white enclave. There is nothing that says that you cannot be a libertarian and desire to live with people of your own race, nothing

My simple definition of libertarianism is someone who believes in the NAP, they can be hippies living in a commune, just as long as they live their lives without violating the NAP, they are libertarians in my book.

 

[acptulsa]

I have to say that your reading comprehension must not be your strongest suit, I said all the killings and denial of access to their territory, how did regard all that I said as one event.

You only talked about one lane of a two-way street. Propagandist.

You have a tendency of jumping to conclusions. These people were libertarians, the ones I talk about are collectivists but they are the sort of libertrains that also believe in the NAP. They talk about options of buying out the non whites to leave the country or buying up land in Montana with like minded people and making that a white enclave. There is nothing that says that you cannot be a libertarian and desire to live with people of your own race, nothing

My simple definition of libertarianism is someone who believes in the NAP, they can be hippies living in a commune, just as long as they live their lives without violating the NAP, they are libertarians in my book.

One second you say they believe in the nonaggression principle, the next you say they don't want x American citizens around. What are they going to do if some show up, and politely but firmly refuse to leave?

Libertarian commune-ists? Really? Why does talking to you always lead to repeating myself? You do not know what a libertarian is.

 

[TheCount]

These people were libertarians, the ones I talk about are collectivists but they are the sort of libertrains that also believe in the NAP. They talk about options of buying out the non whites to leave the country or buying up land in Montana with like minded people and making that a white enclave. There is nothing that says that you cannot be a libertarian and desire to live with people of your own race, nothing

There's a reason why people like this rarely talk about how, exactly, they plan to keep their enclave 'pure' or what sort of government they would implement. Without some level of fascism, there is no way to to maintain an ethnostate.

My simple definition of libertarianism is someone who believes in the NAP, they can be hippies living in a commune, just as long as they live their lives without violating the NAP, they are libertarians in my book.

That's not a libertarian. That's some flavor of defensivist or pacifisist. They may, coincidentally, also believe in libertarianism, but it is possible to have a communist or fascist state which is not aggressive toward its neighbors (only aggressive toward its own citizens).

 

[ProBlue33]

This is bizarre. After making my post this morning, I started downloading some of my WWII research videos when all of a sudden my internet connection went out. The internet comes in and out but when I tried to connect to my PSN or youtube account, I noticed that both accounts have been logged off.

I am typing this with my phone and just leaving a trail in the rare chance that there is not an outage going on. Not planning to kill myself, dont drink or do any drugs. Its probably nothing but I am a bit paranoid right now

Yeah the Mossad might be taking note of blatant pro Nazi statements made online

 

[Pauls' Revere]

This was already after the invasion began and poles were being executed, they retaliated in kind, doesn't make it right of coarse but it was war.
I am surprised you are regurgitating Nazi propaganda from 1939, that is really shameful.
My first neg rep in many years for that one.

Right, it came afterwards more of a timeline thing. Still very bad. And thanks Juleswin for the information. I had no idea of the Bromberg incident until now. Probably for that reason.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

This is bizarre. After making my post this morning, I started downloading some of my WWII research videos when all of a sudden my internet connection went out. The internet comes in and out but when I tried to connect to my PSN or youtube account, I noticed that both accounts have been logged off.

I am typing this with my phone and just leaving a trail in the rare chance that there is not an outage going on. Not planning to kill myself, dont drink or do any drugs. Its probably nothing but I am a bit paranoid right now

I thought that the history behind Hans Thilo Schmidt was interesting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Thilo_Schmidt

A former officer, Schmidt had been forced to leave the army having suffered from gas during the First World War.[1] However, his brother, Rudolf Schmidt, secured him a civilian post at the German Armed Forces' cryptographic headquarters, the Cipher Office.[2] Shortly after the military version of the Enigma machine was introduced, he contacted French intelligence and offered to supply information about the new machine. His offer was accepted by Captain Gustave Bertrand of French Intelligence, and he received from the French the codename Asché, and was assigned a contact, the French agent codenamed Rex.

For the next several years, until he left his position in Germany, he met with French agents at various European cities and supplied them copies of the Enigma machine's instruction manual, operating procedures, and lists of key settings. Even with this information, however, French Intelligence was unable to break messages encrypted on the Enigma. Nor were the British cryptologists whom Bertrand contacted able to make any headway.

In December 1932, Bertrand shared intelligence obtained from Asché with the Polish General Staff's Cipher Bureau (Biuro Szyfrów). Mathematician-cryptologist Marian Rejewski had already set up a system of equations describing the operation of the then new German Army Enigma rotor-wirings. The key-settings lists provided by Schmidt helped fill in enough of the unknowns in Rejewski's formulae, allowing him to speedily solve the equations and recover the wirings. That accomplished, the Poles were henceforth able to read Enigma traffic for nearly seven years to the outbreak of World War II as well as for a time into the War, while operating in conjunction with French intelligence in France. In a two-week January 1938 trial, they solved and read about three-quarters of all Wehrmacht (German Armed Forces) Enigma intercepts: a remarkable result, considering that parts of the raw intercepts were garbled or incomplete due to interference [Kozaczuk, Enigma 1984, p. 45].

After the Battle of France, the French agent who had been Schmidt's case officer, a German citizen named Stallmann who went by the name "Rodolphe Lemoine" (fr) and used the codename "Rex," was arrested by the Gestapo and betrayed Schmidt as a French spy. Schmidt was arrested on 1 April 1943, and in September 1943 his daughter Giselle was called on to identify his body; her account (as recounted in Hugh Sebag-Montefiore's book) suggests that Schmidt may have committed suicide.

 

[juleswin]

You only talked about one lane of a two-way street. Propagandist.

I have listened to both sides and I think I am going with the side that is more believable.

One second you say they believe in the nonaggression principle, the next you say they don't want x American citizens around. What are they going to do if some show up, and politely but firmly refuse to leave?

Libertarian commune-ists? Really? Why does talking to you always lead to repeating myself? You do not know what a libertarian is.

The way they talk about it, they would make the US or parts of it a private club where entrance is by invitation only, that way they can claim private property as justification. Ofc, the details of this operation is scarce so please don't come back and ask me how this would be pulled off without violating the NAP.

 

[juleswin]

There's a reason why people like this rarely talk about how, exactly, they plan to keep their enclave 'pure' or what sort of government they would implement. Without some level of fascism, there is no way to to maintain an ethnostate.



That's not a libertarian. That's some flavor of defensivist or pacifisist. They may, coincidentally, also believe in libertarianism, but it is possible to have a communist or fascist state which is not aggressive toward its neighbors (only aggressive toward its own citizens).

I dunno how they plan of achieving the goal, but if they can buyout the non white or buy large private property, they can maintain their ethno state/community with the right rules in place.

What is your definition of a libertarian?

 

[acptulsa]

What is your definition of a libertarian?

Oh? Won't ask me? I've only been one since before you were born.

Item one: A libertarian is an individualist. Individual rights, individual responsibility, equal individual opportunity, individual property. A libertarian hasn't got a collectivist bone in his or her body.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I completely understand your negative rep, I would have given myself a negative rep too if I had grown up in this sort of country where the average citizen is fed bucket loads of anti German propaganda daily. I grew up without being exposed to neither anti or pro German propaganda and I think I see things much differently than many of u guys. I don't know how else to say it, I expect more negative reps from this post and I am OK with it.

Here, have a + rep back. I also notice that in people from your country and other countries.

 

[TheCount]

I dunno how they plan of achieving the goal, but if they can buyout the non white or buy large private property, they can maintain their ethno state/community with the right rules in place.

See what I mean? As I said that ethnonationalists do, you focused on the method of the establishment rather than the continuation of the ethnostate. The part that I bolded is where the fascism must occur in order to keep an ethnostate ethnically "pure."

What is your definition of a libertarian?

It's right there in the name. It's about liberty, not war or interpersonal relations. Here's a great sentence that I stole from Wikipedia:

Libertarians seek to maximize political freedom and autonomy, emphasizing freedom of choice, voluntary association and individual judgment.

 

[Swordsmyth]

See what I mean? As I said that ethnonationalists do, you focused on the method of the establishment rather than the continuation of the ethnostate. The part that I bolded is where the fascism must occur in order to keep an ethnostate ethnically "pure."

I am not an ethnonationalist but immigration controls aren't fascist.

 

[TheCount]

I am not an ethnonationalist but immigration controls aren't fascist.

Your immigration fetish isn't applicable here. There are lots of non-immigration ways through which 'undesireables' could enter your dream ethnostate. This is one of the many reasons why the concept, as advanced in this thread, of a libertarian ethnonationalist is thoroughly silly.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Your immigration fetish isn't applicable here. There are lots of non-immigration ways through which 'undesireables' could enter your dream ethnostate. This is one of the many reasons why the concept, as advanced in this thread, of a libertarian ethnonationalist is thoroughly silly.

My dream state isn't ethnonationalist and there are very few ways people could enter and remain in one other than immigration.

 

[TheCount]

My dream state isn't ethnonationalist

Yeah, yeah. I'm sure that you commonly leap to the defense of concepts with which you don't agree. Say no more, say no more.

and there are very few ways people could enter and remain in one other than immigration.

Pregnancy.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Yeah, yeah. I'm sure that you commonly leap to the defense of concepts with which you don't agree. Say no more, say no more.

I didn't defend the concept at all, I just discussed your errors

Pregnancy.

And?
The number of pregnancies that result from intercourse with foreigners is a small percentage.