800th Anniversary of Magna Carta video by Dan Hannan

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Video by Daniel Hannan, UK MEP, conservative.
Right from the riverbank where the Magna Carta was sealed some 800 years ago. He's talking about a new memorial and why the Magna Carta is one of the most important documents in history. Enjoy.

 
A contrarian view of the Magna Carta: http://bionicmosquito.blogspot.com/2015/06/legitimizing-state.html

This month marks the 800[SUP]th[/SUP] anniversary of the signing of the Magna Carta:

Magna Carta (Latin for "the Great Charter"), also called Magna Carta Libertatum (Latin for "the Great Charter of the Liberties"), is a charter agreed by King John of England at Runnymede, near Windsor, on 15 June 1215. First drafted by the Archbishop of Canterbury to make peace between the unpopular King and a group of rebel barons, it promised the protection of church rights, protection for the barons from illegal imprisonment, access to swift justice, and limitations on feudal payments to the Crown, to be implemented through a council of 25 barons.​

The anniversary will be marked by great events and great speeches. Glorifying editorials will be written, for example this from Daniel Hannan:

Eight hundred years ago next month, on a reedy stretch of riverbank in southern England, the most important bargain in the history of the human race was struck. I realize that’s a big claim, but in this case, only superlatives will do.​

See what I mean?

As Lord Denning, the most celebrated modern British jurist put it, Magna Carta was “the greatest constitutional document of all time, the foundation of the freedom of the individual against the arbitrary authority of the despot.”​

The Magna Carta was not the foundation, but built on and documented relationships developed over centuries in the Middle Ages – medieval law. In medieval law, there was no “arbitrary authority of the despot” as the king was also equally under the law, not above it.

It was at Runnymede, on June 15, 1215, that the idea of the law standing above the government first took contractual form.​

I guess it depends on what one means by “contractual form.” Law stood above the king for centuries before the existence of this document.

[...]

The written constitution offered security to the monarch; this is the conclusion of Kern. With the security provided by the constitution, the monarch greatly expanded power; this is also the conclusion of Kern, and it is also the evidence of history.

Cheer all you want for this upcoming 800th anniversary. You can keep your written constitution; I would rather have an insecure king.

[... full article at link: http://bionicmosquito.blogspot.com/2015/06/legitimizing-state.html ... ]
 
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Cheer all you want for this upcoming 800th anniversary. You can keep your written constitution; I would rather have an insecure king.

Contracts are for suckers.

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The Magna Carta did not originate the concepts that evolved our modern understanding of representative, rule of law based government, but it was key moment in Western civilization where a government formerly recognized them, and announced it was subject to them. It was the recognition that there were laws and rights that derived from outside of government, and superseded the state, that led to progress---not everything had legitimacy merely as a matter of government fiat or privilege.

So, even when subsequent kings or rulers tried to ignore being under rule of law and basic rights, the prior recognition of Magna Carta (and in America, the Constitution) provided a counterweight to stop, limit or greatly slow down any new move towards tyranny. With the genie of the basis of liberty, rights, and limits to government power being acknowledged, or out of the bottle, there is at least a level battle field and historic legal framework upon which to fight to retain freedom.
 
h/t Anti Federalist: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...alist-Papers&p=5898325&viewfull=1#post5898325

Magna Carta and the Fantasy of Legal Constraints on States
https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/magna-carta-and-the-fantasy-of-legal-constraints-on-states/
Ryan McMaken (15 June 2015)

Magna Carta turns 800 years old today. The Great Charter is often hailed as the first event in a series of limitations on the power of government. For Americans, Marga Carta seems even more important because it is a document that was written and signed for the purpose of limiting the power of a monarch. Americans love grandiose gestures in the form of written documents such as Magna Carta and the Mayflower Compact and the Constitution of 1787, and the document is today taught to school children as a sort of proto-Bill of Rights.

And to a certain extent it is. It does, after all, state that a political ruler cannot just do whatever he wants. There are rules.

The problem, of course, is that rulers don’t have to follow those rules if they have all the guns. In other words, if the state truly enjoys a monopoly on the means of coercion, then it doesn’t really matter what the rules are. The state can simply rewrite the rules.

Fortunately, however, states rarely enjoy a total monopoly of force. As Etienne de la Boetie knew, even an unarmed populace can bring down a government by withholding consent. Few governments have the ability to kill or jail the entire population, and even fewer are willing to try.

But, the fact remains that a government that has the ability to kill all the “bad guys” also has the ability to kill all the “good guys.” And even worse, governments often cannot tell the difference.

So how about those rules we mentioned? Well, Magna Carta was an excellent first example of how the rules don’t mean much to a motivated politician such as King John.

James Bovard notes today, for example, that the ink was barely dry on Magna Carta before King John used his wealth and influence in an attempt to butcher the nobles who forced him to sign Magna Carta:

The English almost lost their newly-recognized rights within months of the signing because they were not sufficiently suspicious of the King. As David Hume noted in his magisterialHistory of England, “The ravenous and barbarous mercenaries, incited by a cruel and enraged prince, were let loose against the estates, tenants, manors, houses, parks of the barons, and spread devastation over the face of the kingdom. Nothing was to be seen but the flames of villages and castles reduced to ashes, the consternation and misery of the inhabitants, tortures exercised by the soldiery to make them reveal their concealed treasures…”​

Things could have been even worse for the English, but fortunately for them, old Anglo-Saxon habits die hard, and while much of medieval Europe was already decentralized and not disposed to centralized power, the English were even less so. The locals kept their swords and their castles and their armor, and when King John attempted to butcher them, they were at least able to offer some resistance.

The Early Americans Learned from Magna Carta

This is a lesson the Americans, however, are happy to forget. Today, the United States is characterized by near-total acceptance of a military establishment that answer to a single “commander-in-chief” who can act free of any need to gain approval from the states or their representatives. This single person may freely spend the taxpayers’ money in any fashion he chooses so long as some sort of “emergency” has been declared. Moreover, the military itself is a professional standing army with no attachment (in practice) to any particular American community, state, or government structure beyond the president himself.

Long gone is the military structure of the 18th and early 19th century when the military forces of the United States were to be raised locally and to be attached to particular communities and states. The local militias (more on the system by Hummel here) were to provide the fighting power, and if the president wished to raise an army beyond the tiny number of federal regulars, he required the de facto or tacit approval of the governors and legislatures of the states.

Prior to that, of course, under the Articles of Confederation, the military system was even more decentralized, with a consensus required among states to raise a standing army.

The old opponents of the 1787 Constitution, the Anti-Federalists, understood this well, and they feared the new powers implied in the new constitution that could allow the federal government to nationalize the local militias.

Those who feared these new power were derided as paranoid, of course. “The president would never wage war without the approval of all the people under law.” they were told. “If the Federal government gets out of hand, we shall “assemble the people” and put an end to tyranny.” Patrick Henry was ready with a retort, however:

Oh, Sir, we should have fine times indeed, if to punish tyrants, it were only necessary to assemble the people! Your arms wherewith you could defend yourselves are gone…Did you ever read of any revolution in any nation, brought about by the punishment of those in power, inflicted by those who had no power at all? A standing army we shall have also, to execute the execrable commands of tyranny: And how are you to punish them? Will you order them to be punished? Who shall obey these orders?​

Liberals from Patrick Henry to Jefferson to Richard Cobden all understood standing armies as engines of government force. The best answer to this, the liberals believed, was to make military force decentralized, localized, and subject to local approval from a multitude of (often conflicting) jurisdictions. This built in diversity of opinions and an informal system of vetoes provided barriers to capricious use of military force. In other words, politicians could only deploy the power of armies after obtaining a consensus among those who would provide the money and the men needed for military action.

The Lessons Are Forgotten

Things have certainly changed. The militaries of many modern nation-states, including the United States, are legally and practically subject only to the whims of a single person or to a tiny group of persons. And in the case of the Americans, military institutions take orders only from the agents of the centralized state, and may be moved at will to any place on the planet regardless of whether or not that deployment can be shown to provide defense for the persons who pay the bills and supply the manpower. Those who do refuse to pay the bills are met with overwhelming force. (The so-called “National Guard” is today merely an adjunct of the federal military and is nothing like the militias as imagined by Americans of the late 18th century.)

“There are rules” we might tell ourselves. “the Constitution will protect us.” Surely, many of King John’s subjects told themselves “surely Magna Carta will protect us.” But, being the state means never having the follow your own rules, and it’s becoming increasingly difficult to even find what these supposed rules that protect us are. It appears, for example, that the federal government does not even accept limits on its prerogative to kill any suspected criminal via drone strike.

On the other hand, more than most other peoples, Americans like their guns. They understand on some level, as Henry did, that an unarmed population can offer no resistance to a standing army and its ability to “execute the execrable commands of tyranny.” But an AR-15 is of little use against an A-10 or an unmanned drone.

The Americans of the 18th century knew that — as the Bill of Rights put it — “a well regulated militia” is indeed “necessary to the security of a free State.” Except by “militia” they didn’t mean “enormous standing army that takes orders only from Washington, DC.” They meant something very different.

Americans like to imagine that the same government that has the power to level foreign cities on the whims of a few government officials could never be used against the domestic population. “We need order” they tell themselves. Without this enormous military complex, they are convinced there would be chaos. To them, Patrick Henry might say:

Revolutions like this have happened in almost every country in Europe: similar examples are to be found in ancient Greece and ancient Rome: instances of the people losing their liberty by their own carelessness and the ambition of a few. We are cautioned…against faction and turbulence: I acknowledge that licentiousness is dangerous, and that it ought to be provided against: I acknowledge also the new form of Government may effectually prevent it: Yet, there is another thing it will as effectually do: it will oppress and ruin the people…I am not well versed in history, but I will submit to your recollection whether liberty has been destroyed most often by the licentiousness of the people or by the tyranny of rulers? I imagine, Sir, you will find the balance on the side of tyranny.​
 
Another take ...

You and I Don't Need a Piece of Paper to Tell Us that We're Free
http://www.targetliberty.com/2015/06/you-and-i-dont-need-piece-of-paper-to.html
Simon Black (15 June 2015)

In the history of post-Norman monarchs in the UK there have been nine Henrys. Eight Edwards. Four Williams. Four Georges. And three Richards.

Yet there was only one John.

In fact, in nearly 1,000 years since William the Conqueror took England in 1066, John was the only King to never have his name repeated.

And with reason. He wasn’t exactly a popular guy, widely despised by his people and nobles alike.

John constantly taxed and plundered his subjects to finance pointless wars abroad. He extorted them with ever-increasing fines and imprisoned people for absurd, victimless crimes.

He used his local police (sheriffs) to confiscate private property under threat of violence, building them into the most feared and powerful force in the kingdom.

According to Harry Buffardi’s book “The History of the Office of the Sheriff”, King John deliberately selected “men of harsh demeanor for the post”.

(Does any of this sound familiar?)

The historical evidence suggests that John was so hated that he was assassinated by poison; Shakespeare dramatizes this episode in his little known play King John, which contains the most wonderful death line “[N]ow my soul hath elbow-room. . .”

Before he departed this earth, however, King John was forced to make certain concessions to the nobles who had waged all-out rebellion against him.

After taking London, the rebel barons met John to formalize these concessions at a picturesque riverside meadow called Runnymede, not far from Heathrow airport.

The contract they hammered out on June 15, 1215 (which is actually June 22nd in our modern calendar) contained a list of rights and privileges that eventually became known as Magna Carta.

And to this day it continues to be held up as some sort of holy document that spawned everything from the English Bill of Rights to the United States Constitution.

Over the weekend I went to a special Magna Carta exhibit at the British Library in London, which praised the document for building the foundation of personal liberty (ironically while all of us were under CCTV surveillance).

That’s certainly the official story.

The National Archives in the US calls Magna Carta “one of the most important legal documents in the history of democracy,” and that “during the American Revolution, Magna Carta served to inspire and justify action in liberty’s defense.”

Yet this is a total myth, as much as “Columbus discovered America.”

The truth is that Magna Carta was a document for the nobles, by the nobles. No one gave a damn about the common people.

The document outlined numerous privileges and protections for nobles, including lower taxes, freedom from wanton imprisonment, and due process.

(Curiously Magna Carta also mandated widespread deforestation across England.)

Yet virtually all of these wonderful rights specifically excluded the serfs. Magna Carta only entitled the Nobles to freedom.

Very little has changed.

Eight centuries later, we still have nobles who come from political-banking dynasties… House Clinton, House Bush, House Goldman... all living above the commoners.

Meanwhile governments and police are still extorting people, confiscating their property through civil asset forfeiture, imprisoning them for victimless crimes, and waging pointless wars abroad.

Sure we can sing songs about our freedom. But that doesn’t make it true.

Neither does writing down freedoms on a piece of paper.

Governments’ behavior shows that they couldn’t possibly care less about any rights that were written down in some centuries-old charter.

Just because it’s in a document doesn’t mean they’ll adhere to it.

And that was perhaps the most humorous irony at the exhibit. At the very end they had an original Magna Carta from 800 years ago. But it’s been so worn away with time that it was completely illegible.

I chuckled and thought to myself, “That’s about right.”

But here’s the thing: we don’t need a piece of paper to tell us that we’re free.

Human beings are born free. Freedom isn’t handed to us by kings or politicians. It’s not awarded by contract.

Freedom is natural. And we don’t have to wait around for House Clinton or King Barry First of His Name to grant it to us.

It’s fine to write it down. But if people don’t truly care about being free, the document will amount to nothing but an illegible artifact at a museum exhibit.

Each of us has the ability to do something to take back our freedom. All the tools and resources already exist.

It’s the Digital Age. We’re no longer bound by geography. Banks. Governments. Even borders themselves. They’re all becoming increasingly irrelevant.

This is powerful stuff, and critically important to take advantage of while things are still ‘normal’.

Right now it’s pretty clear that the temperature is rising. People are starting to wake up to the fact that, when it really counts, they’re no more free than a medieval serf.

They pay taxes at gunpoint. They have no access to real justice.

And many of the most important aspects of their lives, from the value of their savings to their medical care to the way they’re allowed to educate their own children, are tightly controlled.

If the surge in riots and anti-government violence is any indicator, it looks like history may be repeating itself. And we may soon be reaching our own Runnymede moment.
 
h/t Anti Federalist: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...alist-Papers&p=5898325&viewfull=1#post5898325

Magna Carta and the Fantasy of Legal Constraints on States
https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/magna-carta-and-the-fantasy-of-legal-constraints-on-states/
Ryan McMaken (15 June 2015)

Magna Carta turns 800 years old today. The Great Charter is often hailed as the first event in a series of limitations on the power of government. For Americans, Marga Carta seems even more important because it is a document that was written and signed for the purpose of limiting the power of a monarch. Americans love grandiose gestures in the form of written documents such as Magna Carta and the Mayflower Compact and the Constitution of 1787, and the document is today taught to school children as a sort of proto-Bill of Rights.

And to a certain extent it is. It does, after all, state that a political ruler cannot just do whatever he wants. There are rules.

The problem, of course, is that rulers don’t have to follow those rules if they have all the guns. In other words, if the state truly enjoys a monopoly on the means of coercion, then it doesn’t really matter what the rules are. The state can simply rewrite the rules.

Fortunately, however, states rarely enjoy a total monopoly of force. As Etienne de la Boetie knew, even an unarmed populace can bring down a government by withholding consent. Few governments have the ability to kill or jail the entire population, and even fewer are willing to try.

But, the fact remains that a government that has the ability to kill all the “bad guys” also has the ability to kill all the “good guys.” And even worse, governments often cannot tell the difference.

So how about those rules we mentioned? Well, Magna Carta was an excellent first example of how the rules don’t mean much to a motivated politician such as King John.

James Bovard notes today, for example, that the ink was barely dry on Magna Carta before King John used his wealth and influence in an attempt to butcher the nobles who forced him to sign Magna Carta:
The English almost lost their newly-recognized rights within months of the signing because they were not sufficiently suspicious of the King. As David Hume noted in his magisterialHistory of England, “The ravenous and barbarous mercenaries, incited by a cruel and enraged prince, were let loose against the estates, tenants, manors, houses, parks of the barons, and spread devastation over the face of the kingdom. Nothing was to be seen but the flames of villages and castles reduced to ashes, the consternation and misery of the inhabitants, tortures exercised by the soldiery to make them reveal their concealed treasures…”​

Things could have been even worse for the English, but fortunately for them, old Anglo-Saxon habits die hard, and while much of medieval Europe was already decentralized and not disposed to centralized power, the English were even less so. The locals kept their swords and their castles and their armor, and when King John attempted to butcher them, they were at least able to offer some resistance.

The Early Americans Learned from Magna Carta

This is a lesson the Americans, however, are happy to forget. Today, the United States is characterized by near-total acceptance of a military establishment that answer to a single “commander-in-chief” who can act free of any need to gain approval from the states or their representatives. This single person may freely spend the taxpayers’ money in any fashion he chooses so long as some sort of “emergency” has been declared. Moreover, the military itself is a professional standing army with no attachment (in practice) to any particular American community, state, or government structure beyond the president himself.

Long gone is the military structure of the 18th and early 19th century when the military forces of the United States were to be raised locally and to be attached to particular communities and states. The local militias (more on the system by Hummel here) were to provide the fighting power, and if the president wished to raise an army beyond the tiny number of federal regulars, he required the de facto or tacit approval of the governors and legislatures of the states.

Prior to that, of course, under the Articles of Confederation, the military system was even more decentralized, with a consensus required among states to raise a standing army.

The old opponents of the 1787 Constitution, the Anti-Federalists, understood this well, and they feared the new powers implied in the new constitution that could allow the federal government to nationalize the local militias.

Those who feared these new power were derided as paranoid, of course. “The president would never wage war without the approval of all the people under law.” they were told. “If the Federal government gets out of hand, we shall “assemble the people” and put an end to tyranny.” Patrick Henry was ready with a retort, however:
Oh, Sir, we should have fine times indeed, if to punish tyrants, it were only necessary to assemble the people! Your arms wherewith you could defend yourselves are gone…Did you ever read of any revolution in any nation, brought about by the punishment of those in power, inflicted by those who had no power at all? A standing army we shall have also, to execute the execrable commands of tyranny: And how are you to punish them? Will you order them to be punished? Who shall obey these orders?​

Liberals from Patrick Henry to Jefferson to Richard Cobden all understood standing armies as engines of government force. The best answer to this, the liberals believed, was to make military force decentralized, localized, and subject to local approval from a multitude of (often conflicting) jurisdictions. This built in diversity of opinions and an informal system of vetoes provided barriers to capricious use of military force. In other words, politicians could only deploy the power of armies after obtaining a consensus among those who would provide the money and the men needed for military action.

The Lessons Are Forgotten

Things have certainly changed. The militaries of many modern nation-states, including the United States, are legally and practically subject only to the whims of a single person or to a tiny group of persons. And in the case of the Americans, military institutions take orders only from the agents of the centralized state, and may be moved at will to any place on the planet regardless of whether or not that deployment can be shown to provide defense for the persons who pay the bills and supply the manpower. Those who do refuse to pay the bills are met with overwhelming force. (The so-called “National Guard” is today merely an adjunct of the federal military and is nothing like the militias as imagined by Americans of the late 18th century.)

“There are rules” we might tell ourselves. “the Constitution will protect us.” Surely, many of King John’s subjects told themselves “surely Magna Carta will protect us.” But, being the state means never having the follow your own rules, and it’s becoming increasingly difficult to even find what these supposed rules that protect us are. It appears, for example, that the federal government does not even accept limits on its prerogative to kill any suspected criminal via drone strike.

On the other hand, more than most other peoples, Americans like their guns. They understand on some level, as Henry did, that an unarmed population can offer no resistance to a standing army and its ability to “execute the execrable commands of tyranny.” But an AR-15 is of little use against an A-10 or an unmanned drone.

The Americans of the 18th century knew that — as the Bill of Rights put it — “a well regulated militia” is indeed “necessary to the security of a free State.” Except by “militia” they didn’t mean “enormous standing army that takes orders only from Washington, DC.” They meant something very different.

Americans like to imagine that the same government that has the power to level foreign cities on the whims of a few government officials could never be used against the domestic population. “We need order” they tell themselves. Without this enormous military complex, they are convinced there would be chaos. To them, Patrick Henry might say:
Revolutions like this have happened in almost every country in Europe: similar examples are to be found in ancient Greece and ancient Rome: instances of the people losing their liberty by their own carelessness and the ambition of a few. We are cautioned…against faction and turbulence: I acknowledge that licentiousness is dangerous, and that it ought to be provided against: I acknowledge also the new form of Government may effectually prevent it: Yet, there is another thing it will as effectually do: it will oppress and ruin the people…I am not well versed in history, but I will submit to your recollection whether liberty has been destroyed most often by the licentiousness of the people or by the tyranny of rulers? I imagine, Sir, you will find the balance on the side of tyranny.​
Nice post Nanner.
 
Magna Carta turns 800 years old today. The Great Charter is often hailed as the first event in a series of limitations on the power of government. For Americans, Marga Carta seems even more important because it is a document that was written and signed for the purpose of limiting the power of a monarch. Americans love grandiose gestures in the form of written documents such as Magna Carta and the Mayflower Compact and the Constitution of 1787, and the document is today taught to school children as a sort of proto-Bill of Rights.

And to a certain extent it is. It does, after all, state that a political ruler cannot just do whatever he wants. There are rules.

The problem, of course, is that rulers don’t have to follow those rules if they have all the guns. In other words, if the state truly enjoys a monopoly on the means of coercion, then it doesn’t really matter what the rules are. The state can simply rewrite the rules.

This is the limitation on all documents, and legal structures for governments, or even non-governmental societies. Even the freest and most decentralized concepts can be set aside by the will to tyrannize. The writer argues the Articles of Confederation were more effective in blocking the growth of the warfare state, but the fact that it was quickly replaced only reinforces the point. Had the Articles not been replaced, with time they would no doubt have been disregarded or superceded by case law and policy precedents that turned the decentralized concepts on their head, just as the case with the Constitution.

The point behind having official documents acknowledging the rule of law concepts is to give people the ability to defend or restore liberty. Those recognized documents are not, by themselves, able to remove sin and power-mad people from the earth. But their existence is very helpful as a rallying or starting point for beating back the tyrants.
 
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