$7 a gallon Gas Hike: Coming Soon!

There is a silver lining to a total hyperinflationary crash. Maybe people will wake up. People will have to take thier heads out of the sand and focus on survival. Something we have gotten away from.

No more watching american idol. No more going out for dinner and drinks. It time to get a rifle and hunt your food. Grow your own garden.

Also maybe time to stop getting useless animals and get animals that can help you, like chickens or even a good guard dog.

This is the future that we could possible face. What I stated might be one of the good things.

No more hallmark cards on every event that happens. No more thank you cards. No more gifts. No more baby showers.
 
The report says that in order to reduce emissions, a gallon of gas would have to cost 7 dollars.

Ok, so what? I agree with that sliver of information.

Coming soon is an intentionally inflammatory headline and is misleading, as this is the result of an accurate study- not a proposed bill.
 
Wth? Some members are saying "I don't drive, so I'm not worried" If gas doubles in price a gallon, then everything in the supermarket, etc, anything that has to be delivered via trucks blablabla will also go up in price.
 
Warrior_of_Freedom said:
Wth? Some members are saying "I don't drive, so I'm not worried" If gas doubles in price a gallon, then everything in the supermarket, etc, anything that has to be delivered via trucks blablabla will also go up in price.
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I not worried because accurate transportation cost will promote localism, community bonds, and decentralization. People will grow more food, buy more food locally, and be more independent of government subsidies for energy and food.

Not that I agree with the method. The government allows cheap energy and food prices at the pump and super market though subsidies, and than they tax the hell out of gasoline and drive the price of both back up. They probably cancel each other out, with the only effect being a huge useless bureaucracy! There is sure to be unintended consequences. There would also be consequences of removing subsidies.

Either way, I am not too worried about it. Time to make some homebrew fuel. :D
 
Jeros said:
I not worried because accurate transportation cost will promote localism, community bonds, and decentralization. People will grow more food, buy more food locally, and be more independent of government subsidies for energy and food.

Not that I agree with the method. The government allows cheap energy and food prices at the pump and super market though subsidies, and than they tax the hell out of gasoline and drive the price of both back up. They probably cancel each other out, with the only effect being a huge useless bureaucracy! There is sure to be unintended consequences. There would also be consequences of removing subsidies.

Either way, I am not too worried about it. Time to make some homebrew fuel. :D
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"I'M not worried about government over reach and being out of control if it doesn't affect me."
 
Warrior_of_Freedom said:
Wth? Some members are saying "I don't drive, so I'm not worried" If gas doubles in price a gallon, then everything in the supermarket, etc, anything that has to be delivered via trucks blablabla will also go up in price.
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I didn't say I "wasn't worried." I said I'm glad I don't own a vehicle. I don't really use a lot of trucked-in items, either. That said, I'm not stupid enough to think that it wouldn't find some way to ooze into my life if I were to stay in the US that long.

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Average US commute is usually placed somewhere in the realm of 15-16 miles.

For the sake of simplicity, the average bicycle speed is around 15-16 mph (some faster, some slower, but again... for the sake of simplicity).

The average commute time for that 15-16 miles is 26 minutes or so.

The average commute time by bicycle, assuming you were going that 15-16 mph the entire time (which you won't be), would be an hour. You forgot to factor in climate when you talked about whether or not people would trade in their cars for bikes. When it's over 100 degrees outside, and humid, with a high chance of rain in the afternoon... people don't really like to bike to work. When it's freezing, snowy, and there's a high chance of ice... people don't really like to bike to work. When it's raining all day... people don't really like to bike to work. When they work somewhere that requires the transportation of equipment to and from work with them everyday (laptop, briefcase, suit jacket, dress shoes)... people don't really like to bike to work.

Personally? It takes me about 40-60 minutes to get to work, depending on the traffic, in my I-don't-own-it vehicle. This will be moot in May, when I switch to telecommuting full time, but for now neither I nor any of the people I'm on the major highways and interstates with are likely to take up their bicycles anytime soon. Bicycles would also mean taking "bike safe" routes to work and back, which would greatly extend the commute, but since we're speaking in generic terms I didn't include that.

Add in the "culture of driving" in the US, and I still stand by my assertion that the bulk of the populace will not suddenly switch to biking to work, or for that matter to get groceries, take their kids places, take roadtrips, etc.. :(
 
mczerone said:
Whose resources? I'd rather the govt just get out of the way and let people take ownership of these "protected" reserves of oil: they'll have incentive to leave as much nature in tact as possible, and to preserve the resource for long-run optimization. The govt being in control leaves only two options: don't do anything, or rape the land immediately for instant gratification.

The whole Anwar and sea-shelf discussions are missing the point: to drill or not to drill isn't the question.
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That would be U.S. resources, made available to the us through the free market system. Not U.S. government resourses.

Nothing would make me happier than seeing the government tax this import out of the marketplace while the free market comes up with better/cheaper/cleaner solutions. The Saudie prince has enough of our money.

Of course this will not happen because the U.S. Government's policy toward engery is controlled by the foreign oil lobby. This is why you can only buy a CNG car in 2 out of 50 states.
 
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KCIndy said:
What? No food or groceries? No toilet paper? No clothes?? :eek:

Hate to tell ya, but if you use it, a truck has brought it.

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If you look for local items, you can find them in a lot of places. You can, in fact, go to "you pick 'em" type stands in a lot of the country and get fresh produce, or better yet grow some of your own. Herbs really do taste delicious when you pluck the leaves right off the plants you grow yourself. Did I say "no" trucked-in items? Of course not. Did I say I wouldn't be impacted? Not at all. I said I don't use a lot of trucked-in items. I make as much food myself as I can manage, and you'd be surprised how few ingredients one actually needs to make a variety of delicious things :D

Hate to tell ya, but I don't shop/eat like you do :p
 
I just wish the dollar would collapse already. I'm tired of waiting and I want to know what I'm going to have to deal with. The uncertainty is really getting to me.
 
MelissaWV said:
If you look for local items, you can find them in a lot of places. You can, in fact, go to "you pick 'em" type stands in a lot of the country and get fresh produce, or better yet grow some of your own. Herbs really do taste delicious when you pluck the leaves right off the plants you grow yourself. Did I say "no" trucked-in items? Of course not. Did I say I wouldn't be impacted? Not at all. I said I don't use a lot of trucked-in items. I make as much food myself as I can manage, and you'd be surprised how few ingredients one actually needs to make a variety of delicious things :D

Hate to tell ya, but I don't shop/eat like you do :p
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Melissa, I'm just kidding with you! :)

But I *would* like to know where I can find some "pick it yourself" toilet paper. :D

PS - leaves don't count!!
 
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KCIndy said:
Melissa, I'm just kidding with you! :)

But I *would* like to know where I can find some "pick it yourself" toilet paper. :D
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lol That is one area where I shall never be eco-friendly. That recycled toilet paper is... rough (and it's trucked-in anyhow). I'm a Charmin gal. Truck it in, fly it in, I don't care. I'll pay the premium for not having to wipe with the equivalent of sandpaper.
 
MelissaWV said:
lol That is one area where I shall never be eco-friendly. That recycled toilet paper is... rough (and it's trucked-in anyhow). I'm a Charmin gal. Truck it in, fly it in, I don't care. I'll pay the premium for not having to wipe with the equivalent of sandpaper.
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*WHEW!*

No leaves!

:)
 
BamaFanNKy said:
Our country was set up to use automobiles and Trains are a false premise as well:
YouTube - 3 Reasons Why Obama's High-Speed Rail Will Go Nowhere Fast
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Did god set up America to run on automobiles? Does it have certain geographical characteristics that lend themselves to automobile travel as to other forms of transportation?

That answer is of course no. The market place will decide the most cost efficient method of moving goods and services from one area to another. At the present time, energy and road construction are heavily subsidized, so using automobibiles for travel and and tractor trucks for cargo makes economic sense for market participants. If the government took there dirty hands out of the issue, consumer and producer prices for transportation would go way up. If the interstate highway system was never socialized into existence, rails would have been much more competitive. In an environment of high energy prices, rails would be much more competitive. If the government didn't encourage energy consumption, we might have even pushed the peak oil phenomenon out a few decades.

Don't get me wrong. I'm a huge car buff. I do custom builds as a hobby. That is why I'm planning on brewing my own fuel, but I in under no impressions that our current state of transportation markets has anything to do with freedom.
 
Jeros said:
Did god set up America to run on automobiles? Does it have certain geographical characteristics that lend themselves to automobile travel as to other forms of transportation?

That answer is of course no. The market place will decide the most cost efficient method of moving goods and services from one area to another. At the present time, energy and road construction are heavily subsidized, so using automobibiles for travel and and tractor trucks for cargo makes economic sense for market participants. If the government took there dirty hands out of the issue, consumer and producer prices for transportation would go way up. If the interstate highway system was never socialized into existence, rails would have been much more competitive. In an environment of high energy prices, rails would be much more competitive. If the government didn't encourage energy consumption, we might have even pushed the peak oil phenomenon out a few decades.

Don't get me wrong. I'm a huge car buff. I do custom builds as a hobby. That is why I'm planning on brewing my own fuel, but I in under no impressions that our current state of transportation markets has anything to do with freedom.
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Stop making so much sense! Can't you see there is a serious toilet paper discussion in progress.
 
Danke said:
Who needs toilet paper?
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Obviously not the Japanese.

On the other hand, they don't have to worry about dealing with the after effects of a $12.99 "All You Can Eat" night at Ye Olde Rib House... :eek:
 
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