67 confirmed cases of measles in California-centered outbreak

Then stop making it your business.

When did I ever? I am only a liberal in your imaginations.

Progressive liberals like you insist that everyone else pay

I am only a classical liberal, or libertarian, not a progressive liberal or liberal by modern usage.

, but refuse to lift a finger. If you're so concerned about children, then adopt one. There are plenty of orphans. You insist on welfare, but refuse to open your wallet.

I'm not concerned about anybody's children, only my own. When did I ever claim I care about somebody's child or welfare? EVER?
 
The U.S. government opened up the flood gates and allow third world people in

What's wrong with that unless you're racist? If the US government closed borders you'd complain too.

, who have lived in unsanitary areas, are malnourished and ill-- so when those disease start up again, it's blamed on people who do not want the toxic vaccines and it becomes a big deal.

People who didn't toxic vaccine themselves ended up being the most vulnerable.
 
There is no indication that any of the measles victims were immigrants- legal or illegal. There were actually record low apprehensions of immigrants at the borders last year. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...rehensions-of-mexicans-fall-to-historic-lows/


Immigration has fallen while people not getting vaccinated is rising. Now measles (and other diseases including whooping cough) which were almost completely eliminated are rising. It ain't the immigrants. (Most immigrants- legal and illegal- are coming from Asia, not Central or South America).

One child- too young to have been vaccinated yet- was indeed from Mexico. http://www.wsj.com/articles/number-of-measles-cases-rises-in-california-to-68-1422051859 Only six of the cases were known to have been vaccinated individuals (and one of those had only received one of the two recommended shots).

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahae...o-know-about-the-disneyland-measles-outbreak/

1) Two things are driving the spread of measles – and neither is undocumented immigrants.

Those two things are the extreme infectiousness of the disease and the low levels of herd immunity, or community immunity, in pockets of southern California. Measles infects 9 out of every 10 non-immune individuals it finds. It’s airborne and hangs around up to two hours after an infected person leaves the area. It doesn’t take much for this disease to spread through a population that isn’t immune from previous exposure or through vaccination. Or, to put it another way, in an unvaccinated population, each person infected with the measles will transmit the disease to 12 to 18 other people. If no one were vaccinated against measles, we would be up to hundreds, perhaps thousands, of cases by now. We aren’t because there are some levels of herd immunity, but it’s because herd immunity has been weakened that we’re seeing additional cases at all.

Meanwhile, one of the biggest myths popping up in comment threads and on social media is that undocumented immigrants have something to do with this outbreak, or any other outbreak of a vaccine-preventable disease. We don’t yet know who Patient 0 – the first person with the disease – was at Disneyland, but we don’t really need to know. It’s not undocumented immigrants we should be pointing the finger at. It’s home-grown, upper-middle class, well-educated, mostly white southern California parents who have chosen not to vaccinate their children we should be giving the side-eye to. When vaccination rates in the region are below some developing countries’ rates, you don’t need undocumented immigrants to bring in the disease. Unvaccinated Americans do a fine job of that all on their own. A look at past cases makes this clear.

When the CDC tracked measles cases for the first half of 2013, they found that 159 cases resulted from 42 importations of the disease – but more than half those importations were U.S. residents returning to the States from abroad. Similarly, the outbreak of close to 400 cases in Ohio last year began with unvaccinated U.S. travelers returning from a visit to the Philippines. And the largest outbreak in San Diego since 1991 occurred in 2008 after an intentionally unvaccinated 7-year-old boy returned from a vacation in Switzerland with his family and brought back the measles. That last case is particularly of interest because the boy was a patient of Dr. Bob Sears, who has been spreading misleading information about measles in the midst of this outbreak.

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/...-possibly-exposed-in-disney-measles-outbreak/

Measles infections in the U.S. skyrocketed last year, with 610 cases reported. That’s the highest number since 2000, when the disease that causes a rash, high fever, and red, watery eyes, was considered to be eliminated.

The CDC says the increase is tied to a decline in child vaccinations.

“The biggest concern is you’re gonna have the potential for more outbreaks,” said Dr. Zahn.

Disneyland is located in Orange County, California, which is reported the highest rate of measles in the state last year. It ‘s also the home to some state’s highest numbers of unvaccinated children.

Orange County pediatrician doctor Bob Sears is part of a small minority in the medical community, that tells parents vaccinations are not always necessary.

One of his unvaccinated patients caused the last major outbreak in San Diego County.
 
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What's wrong with that unless you're racist? If the US government closed borders you'd complain too.

There isn't a bone in my body that is racist--and I resent implication! What I am is a sovereign citizen who gets tired of the double standards placed over our heads. I have absolutely no problem with people from around the globe coming to America but I resent the fact that this illegitimate government forces us to pay for them to live here. It then becomes an incentive for more to flood in, knowing they are going to get a meal ticket, education and room and board all off the backs of the nice American people.


People who didn't toxic vaccine themselves ended up being the most vulnerable.

Yeah that seems to be the lie they say over and over again for people like you to believe it. I'm just not buying the lie, and suggest that people do their own research and stop allowing the lie to control your independence--herd immunity...pfffffft. :rolleyes:
 
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You have a right to not be in danger? Where did you get that crazy idea?

No, it means your rights do not trump mine. You seriously do not have a right to gain admission to a private place and expose hundreds or thousands of people to a highly contagious disease. Get over it.
 
No, it means your rights do not trump mine. You seriously do not have a right to gain admission to a private place and expose hundreds or thousands of people to a highly contagious disease. Get over it.

that wasn't my question. Do you or do you not have a right to be free from infection and danger?
 
that wasn't my question. Do you or do you not have a right to be free from infection and danger?

And that wasn't my assumption in the first place. What I am saying is that sick people do not have the right to put others at abnormally high risk of contagious disease.
 
Do you or do you not have a right to be free from infection and danger?


That's an ironic question coming from a lib progressive like you. You are always demanding that everything be a right. You attain those "rights" through government.
 
And that wasn't my assumption in the first place. What I am saying is that sick people do not have the right to put others at abnormally high risk of contagious disease.

How much risk is "abnormally high" and how much risk are you entitled to put people at? You use a lot of words to say a lot of nothing.
 
82% unvaccinated.

Not sure where you got 82%, but 5 out of the 34 known indicates about a 15% failure rate for those fully vaccinated against measles. Now I cannot speak for you, but for me that is not the least bit reassuring.


By hospitalized you mean that they visited the ER due to high temperature and discomfort where they were promptly treated (likely with a steroid injection and prescription or two) and released?
 
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82% unvaccinated.
Not sure where you got 82%, but 5 out of the 34 known indicates about a 15% failure rate for those fully vaccinated against measles. Now I cannot speak for you, but for me that is not the least bit reassuring.



By hospitalized you mean that they visited the ER due to high temperature and discomfort where they were promptly treated (likely with a steroid injection and prescription or two) and released?

that's irrelevant, i don't care if it's 100% effective, you still don't have a right to force me to vaccinate my child. period!
 
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