67 confirmed cases of measles in California-centered outbreak

[TheCount]

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/...-of-measles-in-california-20150121-story.html

There are now 67 confirmed cases of measles in an outbreak centered in California, health officials said.

The California Department of Public Health said there are now 59 cases in the state – 42 that have been directly linked to being at Disneyland Park or Disney California Adventure Park in December. Some people visited Disneyland Park or Disney California Adventure Park while infectious in January.


The 59 patients in California range in age from 7 months to 70 years. The vaccination status is known for 34 of the patients. Of those, 28 were unvaccinated, one had received partial vaccination and five were fully vaccinated.

82% unvaccinated.


But, don't worry, the measles is no big deal. These kids are sitting at home playing scrabble and enjoying their extended vacation...

Of the cases in California, one in four sickened have had to be hospitalized.

Or not.

 

[donnay]

The list was 70...if we are counting.

Lawrence Solomon: Vaccines can’t prevent measles outbreaks
http://business.financialpost.com/2...omon-vaccines-cant-prevent-measles-outbreaks/

 

[PRB]

The list was 70...if we are counting.

Lawrence Solomon: Vaccines can’t prevent measles outbreaks
http://business.financialpost.com/2...omon-vaccines-cant-prevent-measles-outbreaks/

if seatbelts work, why do you care if you're hit by a car?

 

[donnay]

The Disney Measles Outbreak: A Mousetrap of Ignorance

By: Sayer Ji, Founder

Disney Measles Outbreak

While the Disney measles outbreak is being blamed on the non-vaccinated, the evidence reveals a failing measles vaccine is behind the outbreak.

The latest stratagem to blame a failing measles vaccine on the non-vaccinated is all over the mainstream media, or should we say the marketing and cheerleading arm of the vaccine industry and the medical-industrial complex.

Two years ago, while a similar debacle was being played out, I wrote an article titled, "The 2013 Measles Outbreak: A Failing Vaccine, Not A Failure To Vaccinate," which deconstructed the myth that the minimally- or non-vaccinated were responsible for outbreaks of measles in highly vaccination compliant populations. According to the prevailing propaganda it is fringe religious communities, visitors from countries where measles is common, and vaccine objectors within the United States, that are responsible for the failure of the measles vaccine to confer lasting immunity.

Looking at the rising tide of vaccine resistant infectious outbreaks in the U.S. and abroad -- chickenpox, shingles, mumps, whooping cough (pertussis), influenza, HPV (Gardasil), hepatitis B, to name but a few -- through the lens of the peer-reviewed and published literature on the topic it is clear that the vaccines and not those who refuse to subject themselves to them are at the root of the problem. And nowhere is this more clearly evident than in the measles vaccine.

How do we know this?

Just a few months ago, a study published in PLoS titled, "Difficulties in eliminating measles and controlling rubella and mumps: a cross-sectional study of a first measles and rubella vaccination and a second measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination," brought to light the glaring ineffectiveness of two measles vaccines (measles–rubella (MR) or measles–mumps–rubella (MMR) ) in fulfilling their widely claimed promise of preventing outbreaks in highly vaccine compliant populations. We dove deeply into the implications of this study in our article titled, "Why Is China Having Measles Outbreaks When 99% Are Vaccinated?"

Also, as we have explored in a previous article, "Measles: A Rash of Misinformation," the measles vaccine is not nearly as safe and effective as is widely believed. Measles outbreaks have consistently occurred in highly immunization compliant populations. Here are just a few examples reported in the medical literature:

1985, Texas, USA: According to an article published in the New England Journal of Medicine in 1987, "An outbreak of measles occurred among adolescents in Corpus Christi, Texas, in the spring of 1985, even though vaccination requirements for school attendance had been thoroughly enforced." They concluded: "We conclude that outbreaks of measles can occur in secondary schools, even when more than 99 percent of the students have been vaccinated and more than 95 percent are immune."1

1985, Montana, USA: According to an article published in the American Journal of Epidemiology titled, "A persistent outbreak of measles despite appropriate prevention and control measures," an outbreak of 137 cases of measles occurred in Montana. School records indicated that 98.7% of students were appropriately vaccinated, leading the researchers to conclude: "This outbreak suggests that measles transmission may persist in some settings despite appropriate implementation of the current measles elimination strategy."2

1988, Colorado, USA: According to an article published in the American Journal of Public Health in 1991, "early 1988 an outbreak of 84 measles cases occurred at a college in Colorado in which over 98 percent of students had documentation of adequate measles immunity ... due to an immunization requirement in effect since 1986. They concluded: "...measles outbreaks can occur among highly vaccinated college populations."3

1989, Quebec, Canada: According to an article published in the Canadian Journal of Public Health in 1991, a 1989 measles outbreak was "largely attributed to an incomplete vaccination coverage," but following an extensive review the researchers concluded "Incomplete vaccination coverage is not a valid explanation for the Quebec City measles outbreak.4

1991-1992, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil: According to an article published in the journal Revista da Sociedade Brasileira de Medicina Tropical, in a measles outbreak from March 1991 to April 1992 in Rio de Janeiro, 76.4% of those suspected to be infected had received measles vaccine before their first birthday.5

1992, Cape Town, South Africa: According to an article published in the South African Medical Journal in 1994, "[In] August 1992 an outbreak occurred, with cases reported at many schools in children presumably immunised." Immunization coverage for measles was found to be 91%, and vaccine efficacy found to be only 79%, leading them to conclude that primary and secondary vaccine failure was a possible explanation for the outbreak.6

Continued...

 

[TheCount]

If the measles vaccine doesn't work, please explain the ratio of vaccinated to unvaccinated people affected by the Disneyland outbreak.

 

[donnay]

If the measles vaccine doesn't work, please explain the ratio of vaccinated to unvaccinated people affected by the Disneyland outbreak.

Where's your proof that the ratios are right?

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Ha ha; looks like the OP figured out a way to avoid a red rep bar. TheCount now knows that even progressive and paid/volunteer trolls can get + repped if they make vaccine threads.

 

[Working Poor]

I think vaccines may be creating super viruses kind like anti bacterial cleaners and soaps.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

if seatbelts work, why do you care if you're hit by a car?

Vaccines and seatbelts have sometimes become substitutes for responsible behavior and industriousness. Especially the mandates of both. The current development of the fat vaccine enables an entire generation of fat people. You no longer have to eat responsibly. The IRS/Dept of Health and Human Services fat vacccine funding sends that message to an entire nation.

People are lulled by seatbelts and other devices. The dumbest thing I've seen is the commercial with the tailgate warning feature. The trick to not hitting the car in front of you however, is very simple: pay attention and drive right.

You often have very little control over your external environment, but people keep trying anyway. Take care of yourself first. Control your internal environment. More and more technology, pills, vaccines, etc. are not a substitute.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Of the cases in California, one in four sickened have had to be hospitalized.

It would be interesting to see who got hospitalized, the vaccinated or unvaccinated. Just a guess--but I'd say the majority hospitalized were vaccinated. Those hospitalized were probably more susceptible with weaker immunity, partially due to vaccinations.

The lesson could actually be a false sense of security and MORE dire consequences if you're vaccinated. Both the vaccinated and unvaccinated get sick. You fare better with sickness, however when you're unvaccinated, partly due to better immunity.

 

[Zippyjuan]

It would be interesting to see who got hospitalized, the vaccinated or unvaccinated. Just a guess--but I'd say the majority hospitalized were vaccinated. Those hospitalized were probably more susceptible with weaker immunity, partially due to vaccinations.

The lesson could actually be a false sense of security and MORE dire consequences if you're vaccinated. Both the vaccinated and unvaccinated get sick. You fare better with sickness, however when you're unvaccinated, partly due to better immunity.

Can you support your suppositions? Both on those in the Disney case being hospitalized (one quarter of them when less than that- 18%- were vaccinated) and the claim that vaccines make your immune system weaker?

But let's run some numbers. 70 cases- 82% were not vaccinated (which would be 57 cases). http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...t-measles-to-the-happiest-place-on-earth.html 25% ended up in the hospital. (17 people).

Both the vaccinated and unvaccinated get sick. You fare better with sickness, however when you're unvaccinated, partly due to better immunity.

82% of those who got sick were not vaccinated. That means that the unvaccinated got sick five times as often as those who were vaccinated.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...and-superbug-perspec-0126-20150123-story.html

Before the vaccine, the United States saw approximately 4 million cases of measles each year and 400 to 500 deaths. These are the stats that vaccine-deniers tend to emphasize — a relatively low number of deaths compared with the number of infections.

However, those statistics alone leave out a big part of measles infections. Pre-vaccine, almost 48,000 people were hospitalized each year because of measles and measles complications. One in 20 of those infected developed pneumonia. More rarely but more seriously, 1,000 became chronically disabled each year due to measles encephalitis.

But let's back up for a moment. These data were from the mid-20th century. We've made strides in sanitation and nutrition since then, right? Sears and others point out the importance of having a "well nourished" population and living in a developed country. That supposedly makes all the difference.


What many forget is that we had a massive outbreak of measles in the United States from 1989 to 1991. While our 644 cases in 2014 seems high compared with recent years, a quarter-century ago measles incidence spiked to 18,000 cases per year, with a total of more than 55,000 infections before the outbreak began to dwindle. It was the largest measles outbreak in this country since the 1970s.

It's hard to argue that in 1989 we had problems with modern sanitation. Arguably, we were healthier 25 years ago than we are now, if one uses the U.S. obesity rates as one marker of health and good nutrition. We had antibiotics for secondary infections, such as pneumonia, that settle in to measles-infected lungs — and fewer antibiotic-resistant bacterial pathogens than we do in 2015. Measles-associated pneumonia isn't easy to treat if it's caused by a "superbug," and we've not had to deal with a huge measles outbreak in the age of methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus, or MRSA, and other drug-resistant bacteria.

Despite our advances and our modernity and our status as a developed country, we still saw 123 measles deaths during this epidemic—here, in the United States, where we get plenty of Vitamin A. There were also 11,000 hospitalizations — fully one-fifth of people infected with measles became sick enough to be hospitalized

How many have become hospitalized or suffered paralysis or died from vaccines?

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

70 cases- 82% were not vaccinated (which would be 57 cases). http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...t-measles-to-the-happiest-place-on-earth.html 25% ended up in the hospital. (17 people).

Those numbers are incorrect. The vaccination status was known for only 34 of the 59 California residents (no status mention was made of the residents of 11 other states, so your Daily Beast article is inaccurate). That means the vaccination status is unknown for 25 people.
http://www.cdph.ca.gov/Pages/NR15-008.aspx

If 25% of the 59 were hospitalized, then that means 15 people were hospitalized. If the vaccination status of 25 of 59 people is not known, then that means the 15 hospitalized people could come from that group 25. That doesn't even include the 5 people who are known to be vaccinated.

If you further consider that 93% of California children have the MMR vaccine (http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6230a3.htm?s_cid=mm6230a3_e), then I'd say my supposition carries a decent likelihood.

 

[Zippyjuan]

According to your own link, of those for whom vaccination status was known, 28 out of 34 were unvaccinated. That is 82%.

Of these 34, 28 were unvaccinated

Since no mention can be found on the vaccination status of those hospitalized it is pure assumption that most of them were vaccinated (or were at least more likely to have been vaccinated).

If 25% of the 59 were hospitalized, then that means 15 people were hospitalized. If the vaccination status of 25 of 59 people is not known, then that means the 15 hospitalized people could come from that group 25. That doesn't even include the 5 people who are known to be vaccinated.

It is equally possible that 100% of those hospitalized were from the unvaccinated group (but that too would be an unsupported assumption).

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

According to your own link, of those for whom vaccination status was known, 28 out of 34 were unvaccinated. That is 82%.

Yes, I know what I said. Your numbers are wrong.

The vaccine status of 25 people is unknown. Five were known to be vaccinated. That is 30 people, more than enough to account for the 15 people who were hospitalized.

Everybody is going to be exposed to germs. The issue is what happens after that. If your immunity is compromised, then you're likely to be one of the 15 people who needed more extensive treatment to recover.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Again, you are making a big assumption without any facts.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Since no mention can be found on the vaccination status of those hospitalized it is pure assumption that most of them were vaccinated (or were at least more likely to have been vaccinated). It is equally possible that 100% of those hospitalized were from the unvaccinated group (but that too would be an unsupported assumption).

The number of 28 people sounds like an anomaly. Possible, but I'd need to dig deeper. I'm skeptical since 93% of California children are MMR immunized. Vaccine rates are also declining, so MMR vaccination rate should be higher for adults.

Is it also possible that they are including pre-1957 people in that unvaccinated number? If so, then that is irrelevant. I'd also like to know their definition of "unvaccinated." Are they counting, as unvaccinated, a child who got the first dose of MMR, turned 4, and has NOT YET gotten around to the second dose? That second dose is done around kindergarten to first grade.

I'm skeptical because Zip's article from the Daily Beast has already quoted inaccurate numbers. Those inaccuracies are mostly from laziness or conveniently ignoring all the facts.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Again, you are making a big assumption without any facts.

Facts?! You're the one quoting an article that clearly got the facts wrong. What am I assuming? That people with compromised immunity are more likely to be hospitalized?

I'm actually digging deeper for facts, by asking the questions. You quoting an incorrect article means you are not doing that.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Your link supported the 82% figure as well. One of the victims did only have one dose of the vaccine and was counted as vaccinated according to your link.

Patients range in age from seven months to 70 years. Vaccination status is documented for 34 of the 59 cases. Of these 34, 28 were unvaccinated, one had received one dose and five had received two or more doses of MMR vaccine.

Neither of us can say which group was more or less likely to be hospitalized because we have no statistics on that so yes, it is an assumption that either group had a higher hospitalization rate.

I did find a bit more info:

Vaccination status is known for 34 of the California patients. State officials say that 28 were not vaccinated at all, one was partially vaccinated and five were fully vaccinated. Six of the unvaccinated were babies, too young to be vaccinated.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/201...d-measles-outbreak-hits-59-cases-and-counting

If you were born before 1957, you are presumed to be immune to measles, because the disease was so widespread before the introduction of the vaccine. For years, only one dose was recommended; it protects 95 percent of people. The second dose was recommended starting in 1991.

and http://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...-measles-shot-maybe-you-need-another-n290786:

Among the known cases, five people had received two or more measles vaccinations and one person had received at lease one dose of vaccine. At least 32 of those infected people are aged 20 or older, accounting for 63 percent of the outbreak, health officials said.

And among the five Disneyland employees diagnosed with measles to date, two were previously vaccinated.

In 1989, federal officials changed their recommendation to two doses of measles-containing vaccine for kids. That followed a resurgence of the virus that infected more than 55,000 people, killing 123 Americans. By 1993, both epidemiological and laboratory evidence suggested that transmission of indigenous measles had been fully interrupted in the United States, Laufer said.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

One of the victims did only have one dose of the vaccine and was counted as vaccinated according to your link.

And that person could have been three years old, so that is also irrelevant.

Your link supported the 82% figure as well.

Yes, I know that, but that is 82% where the status was known. My link did not support your inaccurate numbers as you expressed here (red highlighting is my emphasis):

But let's run some numbers. 70 cases- 82% were not vaccinated (which would be 57 cases). http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...t-measles-to-the-happiest-place-on-earth.html 25% ended up in the hospital. (17 people).

Your numbers in red are inaccurate.

So what's the difference? The actual numbers, statistically, make my supposition possible. Your inaccurate, and made-up, numbers absolutely preclude the possibility that all of the hospitalized were vaccinated.

In other words, it's possible that none of the unvaccinated were hospitalized, but your made up numbers preclude that.

 

[Zippyjuan]

You are right- I am guilty of assuming that the vaccinated ratio for the known cases would be the same in the unknown cases.

But also again, since we know nothing about the vaccination rates of those who ended up hospitalized, we cannot assume any of them were in either group since we do not know.

Just a guess--but I'd say the majority hospitalized were vaccinated.

Theoretically possible- sure. It is also theoretically possible that zero of those hospitalized were vaccinated. Each is equally likely when nothing is known. We can make up whatever numbers we want. If we assume the distribution is the same as the known vaccination rates, then the most likely figure is three of the fifteen hospitalized were vaccinated. But again, we don't know and the sample size is too small to assume that the known group is fully representational of the entire group of victims.