55% of non native households collect gov. benefits as opposed to 32% of native born

[TheTexan]

Open borders is a great idea. In theory.

In practice, it just means that we will be importing even more tyrants and even more boots to be placed on our neck.

Why the fuck anyone thinks thats a good idea, I will never understand.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Of course you can have open borders and no welfare. Countries did it for some odd nineteen hundred years, and a couple of millennia before that. What the hell are you talking about?

That is not what I said.
But once you have a welfare state you can't end it while borders are open.
And for most of known history communism didn't exist as a popular ideology and international travel was not so easy.

The Constitution does not demand the federal government get involved in militias at all. Why do you hate the Tenth Amendment?

I know you don't care about it but you should read it before arguing about it:
A1S8:
...To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia...

Who scams what is irrelevant to his point. But don't worry about it. I'm pretty sure he only made the point to trick you into revealing it was too adult a concept for you. Which you did.

Immigrants are a far greater drain on the system than natives and vote to expand welfare at much higher rates.
That is the Adult viewpoint.

But I guess if your goal was to make a complete fool of yourself this post was a victory.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Open borders is a great idea. In theory.

In practice, it just means that we will be importing even more tyrants and even more boots to be placed on our neck.

Why the $#@! anyone thinks thats a good idea, I will never understand.

Because they work for the tyrants and are one of the boots on our neck.

 

[Swordsmyth]

If so, then that's all the more reason to include those programs in the study.

In fact, the programs that were included in the study add up to a total cost that's only about 10% of Social Security and Medicare combined.

Whatever factor those two programs are, it's by far the biggest factor in the equation, and the study in the OP just left it out.

And it's not at all obvious to me that including Social Security and Medicare would have made the case against immigration stronger. It may even do the opposite, especially with respect to illegal immigrants, who pay taxes into those programs for work that will never count toward them ever getting to receive them. I think this amount is something like $15 Billion per year. If we're really going to do a cost benefit analysis of how immigrants affect the budgets of welfare programs, that amount is bound to offset a significant portion of the money they get from all those much smaller budget programs mentioned in the OP.

You know what is the biggest problem?
The giant government itself and all of its programs that do no go to people who pay into them.
That leaves any program like Social Security or Medicare in the dust.
And immigrants both legal and illegal vote to maintain and grow it at much higher rates and so do their descendants .

 

[Swordsmyth]

Working folks paid money to be given to recipients of those programs. And when they themselves become recipients of them, it will be money paid by others.

This is the same as with all the programs listed in the study in the OP.

No.
It is not the same.
Immigrants who pay nothing into the system come in and drain out money and vote for more.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I hear this one a lot. But if it's really a true claim, then it's a big point in favor of open borders

No, it is not.
The collapse of the former welfare state always leads to the rise of tyranny in its place.
Usually accompanied by genocide.

 

[oyarde]

Open borders is a great idea. In theory.

In practice, it just means that we will be importing even more tyrants and even more boots to be placed on our neck.

Why the fuck anyone thinks thats a good idea, I will never understand.

I've never thought it a particularly great idea. I'm to the point where less is better .The country has a dismal work force participation rate. There are plenty of people here to produce . It just needs to be an environment that encourages production instead of sloth.

 

[DamianTV]

I hear this one a lot. But if it's really a true claim, then it's a big point in favor of open borders

And keep the Welfare part of it?

 

[Invisible Man]

And keep the Welfare part of it?

According to you, that's not possible.

Or are you now taking that back and saying that you actually can have both open borders and a welfare state?

 

[DamianTV]

According to you, that's not possible.

Or are you now taking that back and saying that you actually can have both open borders and a welfare state?

Dont put this on me. I am gonna go back to what I originally said, which is that a country can NOT have Open Borders and a Welfare / Warfare State if it is to survive. The reason those current policies are set to what they are is because the powers that be do NOT want the United States as we once knew her to survive.

 

[Invisible Man]

Dont put this on me. I am gonna go back to what I originally said, which is that a country can NOT have Open Borders and a Welfare / Warfare State if it is to survive. The reason those current policies are set to what they are is because the powers that be do NOT want the United States as we once knew her to survive.

I'm not sure what "the United States as we once knew her" is. But if it's a welfare state, then in my opinion its survival is nothing I'm interested in saving. Let the welfare state die.

 

[DamianTV]

I'm not sure what "the United States as we once knew her" is. But if it's a welfare state, then in my opinion its survival is nothing I'm interested in saving. Let the welfare state die.

The Welfare State is committing suicide. Once our Free Welfare to ALL Illegals is completely gone, then and ONLY then can we really have Open Borders.

 

[Invisible Man]

The Welfare State is committing suicide.

This is a good thing, right?

Once our Free Welfare to ALL Illegals is completely gone, then and ONLY then can we really have Open Borders.

Well in that case, I guess the threat of open borders is nothing to fear, since I don't see welfare disappearing in the near future. So I'm not sure what you're worried about.

 

[Cleaner44]

The Constitution requires Congress to arm the militia.
The Dick act defines the unorganized militia as every adult male.
I want my gun.

https://shop.mrcolionnoir.com/products/iamthemilitia-tee?variant=12729699893328

 

[DamianTV]

This is a good thing, right?


Well in that case, I guess the threat of open borders is nothing to fear, since I don't see welfare disappearing in the near future. So I'm not sure what you're worried about.

Wanna know what I am really worried about? Being murdered by my own government. What do you think all the Illegals are for? Say it with me: POPULATION REPLACEMENT. Theres no one left in this country stupid enough to vote Democrat again that hasnt taken the vaccine, and since so many of their voters are gonna die, here come the REPLACEMENT VOTERS.

 

[acptulsa]

Wanna know what I am really worried about? Being murdered by my own government. What do you think all the Illegals are for? Say it with me: POPULATION REPLACEMENT. Theres no one left in this country stupid enough to vote Democrat again that hasnt taken the vaccine, and since so many of their voters are gonna die, here come the REPLACEMENT VOTERS.

Replacement voters?

Women are being sent ballots two at a time.

https://twitter.com/notaxation/status/1431695804243316740

Diebold may have changed its name, but it's still making vote flippers. The graveyards are full of Democrat voters.

You're thinking of replacement workers.. Ones who have been slaves before, and will be more compliant than Americans who (despite what the great-great-great-great-great grandchildren of slaves would have you believe) will soon be taking umbrage at how workers in North America are about to be treated.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Wanna know what I am really worried about? Being murdered by my own government. What do you think all the Illegals are for? Say it with me: POPULATION REPLACEMENT. Theres no one left in this country stupid enough to vote Democrat again that hasnt taken the vaccine, and since so many of their voters are gonna die, here come the REPLACEMENT VOTERS.

Replacement voters?

Women are being sent ballots two at a time.



Diebold may have changed its name, but it's still making vote flippers. The graveyards are full of Democrat voters.

You're thinking of replacement workers.. Ones who have been slaves before, and will be more compliant than Americans who (despite what the great-great-great-great-great grandchildren of slaves would have you believe) will soon be taking umbrage at how workers in North America are about to be treated.

They need replacement voters to keep their fraud plausible.
They can't afford another 2020 full retard event.

The open borders are meant to impose tyranny forever and nobody with a brain thinks otherwise.

 

[DamianTV]

Replacement voters?

Women are being sent ballots two at a time.



Diebold may have changed its name, but it's still making vote flippers. The graveyards are full of Democrat voters.

You're thinking of replacement workers.. Ones who have been slaves before, and will be more compliant than Americans who (despite what the great-great-great-great-great grandchildren of slaves would have you believe) will soon be taking umbrage at how workers in North America are about to be treated.

I would have said Replacement Workers, but I dont think the current paradigm is intending for the survival of this country. So in order to enact Cloward Piven, they bring in the illegals for two purposes: Vote, and Collect Welfare. Voting casts a bit of an illusion that there is someone out there that would really vote for these tyrants. Welfare is the part of the Cloward Piven strategy intended to provoke hyperinflation by making the govt print up money and debase the currency. Some of these people do allow their votes to go to who ever offers them the most free shit.

 

[DamianTV]

This is a good thing, right?


Well in that case, I guess the threat of open borders is nothing to fear, since I don't see welfare disappearing in the near future. So I'm not sure what you're worried about.

Wait for the current govt to come to your front door and kick you out of your own home because "Illegals need your home more than you do". Maybe you should worry about that.