50th Anniversay JFK Assassination: Who Killed Him?

[Cleaner44]

Oswald was a patsy just as he said. He knew that people he was associated with set him up.

 

[vita3]

NorthCarolinaLiberty,

If you are really interested in learning more this documentary is pretty high-level.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

I'll be so glad when the Boomer generation dies and we don't have to hear about JFK and f'n Camelot any more. It won't be long when talking about him will be like talking about Garfield or McKinley.

Lincolns motives and death are still investigated and talked about.

 

[Ender]

My take: the first two shots from the sniper's nest were made with no intention to actually hit the President, but as a way to divert the attention of everyone on the ground up to the book depository, as well as signal George Hickey, the secret service agent in the car behind Kennedy, to made the kill-shot. Evidence for this includes the fact that the "stray" bullets were hollow points, while the shot that hit Kennedy was clearly a frangible round, coupled with the fact that Oswald - a mediocre marksman at best - would have had a helluva time getting Kennedy from that particular window with a bolt-action Mannlicher-Carcano, which most ballistics experts consider a totally subpar rifle.

My JBS cousins showed my fam a video many years ago, that clearly showed the driver turn and shoot JFK. Was a life changer for all of us.

 

[Zippyjuan]

That video was posted here once. According to the time frame of the film, if it was true, he would have had to grab his gun, turn around, shoot JFK and turn back around again in less than one second.

 

[Ender]

That video was posted here once. According to the time frame of the film, if it was true, he would have had to grab his gun, turn around, shoot JFK and turn back around again in less than one second.

That's possible, Zippy, especially going under 20 mi per hr.

The one I saw was old and in no way tampered with.

 

[acptulsa]

That's possible, Zippy, especially going under 20 mi per hr.

Yes, it is.

Well, not the pulling of the gun, but then I've never seen even one film of Dealey Plaza where the camera's high enough to allow you to see anything of the occupants of the car below their navels. So I suspect my friend Zippy threw that part in on a baseless basis, for lagniappe.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Here is a slow motion version with frame numbers on it. By frame 230, Kennedy emerges from behind a sign. He is already reacting as if having been shot (the first hit). Greer allegedly turns his head to shoot at frame #303. By frame #317, he has turned back around. That is about 14 frames. The film was shot at 18.3 frames per second http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapruder_film so he had actually three quarters of one second to turn, aim, shoot Kennedy in the head, and turn back around bring his arm with the gun around with him. Try to see how fast you can turn around in your chair and aim over your shoulder (Greer was driving the car). Keep your right hand on your computer mouse and use your left hand. It is an awkward movement too.

 

[acptulsa]

Blah blah

Well, Zippy, that clip does give me good reason to doubt that the driver turning at the moment Kennedy was struck was anything but a coincidence, but not because of your overwrought, overthought guesstimating of the time element and the driver's unknown ability to squeeze off a quick and accurate shot. Rather, it looks to me as though the divider window (second windshield) is up and in place. It's hard to tell for certain, but I think I see Mrs. Connelly bounce off of it as she dives for the floorboards.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Digitally enhanced HD version lets you see more details.

 

[acptulsa]

Digitally enhanced HD version...

...is something you'd dismiss out of hand on sound principles, if you thought it supported the opposite position from yours. And you know it. 'Digitally enhanced' is less than a millimeter short of 'altered'.

Of course, the mere fact that she dived for those floorboards is in itself odd, if you subscribe to the official notion that there was only one shooter, and he was some seven stories above the open phaeton. This could be reflex, I suppose, but I can find no evidence of military or police training in her background.

What's more telling is the fact that Mrs. Connally herself never subscribed to the notion that there was only one shooter in Dealey Plaza that day. And she was there...

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=15585881

 

[Zippyjuan]

Diving for the floorboards when somebody near you gets shot is odd ? Both she and her husband (who was also struck by a bullet) duck down when Kennedy's head explodes.

(minor correction- Oswald was allegedly on the sixth, not seventh, floor of the book depository).

 

[acptulsa]

Diving for the floorboards when somebody near you gets shot is odd ? Both she and her husband duck down when Kennedy's head explodes.

(minor correction- Oswald was allegedly on the sixth, not seventh, floor of the book depository).

By your own guesstimating, it takes her about one second to get there after the second shot--and nobody in the car but JFK shows any indication of having noticed the first (not too surprising if it came from six floors above a noisy open phaeton). Yes, that's odd for an actress, phone banker and homemaker, unless she saw someone at ground level shooting (and you're in no position to deny that she maintained to her dying day that there was more than one shooter). Only then would such a reflex be natural for such a non-military-trained lady.

And I already said that it was possible nonetheless. It's a minor point, and an unanswerable question.

 

[Working Poor]

I think the federal reserve is responsible for JFKs death. I do not know who fired the shots though.

 

[dannno]

If the mob was involved, then it was allowed to happen by the CIA and they are most responsible. But honestly I wouldn't be surprised of George Bush Sr. himself was the sniper on the grassy knoll.

 

[DamianTV]

Mob = The Federal Reserve Banksters

 

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

Had to vote "other." Oswald supported JFK. Read "Me & Lee" by Judy V Baker. (Co-edited by Ed Haslam.)

Also a really good book to read is Dr. Mary's Monkey by Ed Haslan.

 

[Cleaner44]

• Rogue CIA organizers
• Mob shooters
• No Secret Service shooters
• Multiple shooters
• Oswald NOT a shooter on 6th floor
• YES grassy knoll shooter
• Nearly everyone in Dallas knew there were multiple shooters
• Nearly all government people in DC deny multiple shooters

 

[LibForestPaul]

Catholics, figured out if you can't beet the Masons, might as well join.

 

[donnay]

Had to vote "other." Oswald supported JFK. Read "Me & Lee" by Judy V Baker. (Co-edited by Ed Haslam.)

I have been meaning to get that book. I am going to put it on my Christmas list. Thanks.