45 years and older need reassurance....

[Constitutional Paulicy]

Look at the demographics chart of voters based on age.....

http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/state/ia

68% of voters were over 45 years of age. That explains a lot about why we finished third. And why we were very unlikely to finish first.

If this is common throughout the caucuses, then we need to dispel the misconception that RP intends to axe social security, and medicare, etc.. In reality, he intends to phase it out, while entitling those who have paid into it.

 

[sailingaway]

Duh, and the campaign just put out an ad that says Ron is cutting a trillion WHICH SCARES THOSE WHO DEPEND ON SENIOR ENTITLEMENTS because they have been conditioned over and over that you can't balance the budget without gutting senior entitlements. I am thinking the people who review the ads don't get this because people don't tell them, because no one wants to say they are voting for benefits. But it is clearly how they vote. They see it as a contract right since they paid in all their lives and this is EXACTLY how Ron Paul refers to it, as well.

I even contemplated the point that Ron's excellent ad guy's wife works for Romney and we are going into New Hampshire when I saw the 'closing argument ad' touting the cuts and NOT adding "without cutting social security, medicare, or veteran's benefits". It is a HUGE deal, and it kept coming up to volunteer canvassers in NH. I hope they get on it. If not WE need to make flyers or something saying this and referring them to Ron's plan so people in New Hampshire can put them, along with a flyer made out of AF's ad on the energy eminent domain piece, under windshield wipers at senior centers. Something like:

Ron Paul's budget plan balances the budget in three years---

without cutting social security, medicare or veteran's benefits!

A fiscal conservative's plan with the right priorities!!!!

Then it would quote directly from Ron's plan:

Ron Paul's budget plan:

"Cuts $1 trillion in spending during the first year of Ron Paul’s presidency, eliminating five cabinet departments (Energy, HUD, Commerce, Interior, and Education), abolishing the Transportation Security Administration and returning responsibility for security to private property owners, abolishing corporate subsidies, stopping foreign aid, ending foreign wars, and returning most other spending to 2006 levels.

...

Honors our promise to our seniors and veterans, while allowing young workers to opt out. Block grants Medicaid and other welfare programs to allow States the flexibility and ingenuity they need to solve their own unique problems without harming those currently relying on the programs."

then sites where they can find the plan

Review Ron Paul's Plan to Restore America at: http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/ron-paul-plan-to-restore-america/

 

[JamesButabi]

Yep, this was pretty much expected from day 1. Unfortunetely, our first showing didn't bring out enough younger people. Expect a similar turnout in NH.

 

[Travlyr]

It really really isn't about old vs. young. It really isn't.

 

[MJU1983]

The message is there, it's up to the older folks to do their own research and not believe everything they see on TV. Part of me feels that this country is getting exactly what we deserve if we keep electing George W. Bush's and Barack Obama's.

My mother, who is 53 years old, saw the results from Iowa and yelled "WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE!?" She gets it...

 

[sailingaway]

The message is there, it's up to the older folks to do their own research and not believe everything they see on TV. Part of me feels that this country is getting exactly what we deserve if we keep electing George W. Bush's and Barack Obama's.

My mother, who is 53 years old, saw the results from Iowa and yelled "WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE!?" She gets it...

They don't use the internet, many of them, they have life long habits of how they get their news. If we leave it 'up to them' Ron loses. We need to get it to them hard copy or on tv, mediums they use.

 

[Travlyr]

They don't use the internet and if we leave it 'up to them' Ron loses. We need to get it to them hard copy or on tv, mediums they use.

That is not true. Most older people use the Internet.

 

[Travlyr]

Insulting older voters is not an effective strategy to win. Simple as that.

 

[sailingaway]

That is not true. Most older people use the Internet.

Some don't use the internet. If you see a breakdown of who uses the internet, the largest block that doesn't use it AT ALL and may not even own a computer is over 55. The internet didn't really exist until the nineties and a lot of old people had habits set before then.

Those who start to use it love it, (my mother does) but there is a holistic world out there without the internet, unless you wonder about something enough to look it up, it is easy to think the news on TV is news. I did myself until about 2006, and I DID use the internet, regularly at work, just not as my primary news source. I read google front page when I logged in, but didn't search for news.

 

[Constitutional Paulicy]

When I first heard RP's intentions to do away with these social plans, I too wasn't aware of the details. I simply new that I wanted RP as our next president regardless. My first thought was am I robbing my mother of all the money she put into her retirement through Social Security? I began to question if I was making the right choice for a candidate. Now that I know the depth of the plan, I am 100% behind it. I have to wonder how many people my age (45 years old), have family that is approaching retirement, and refuse to rob their parents of those entitlements. This misconception needs to be clarified with the elderly as well as the middle age crowd.

 

[ShowMeLiberty]

I guarantee if you go around calling people in their 40s and 50s "older folks" or, heaven forbid, "seniors" you will NOT find a receptive audience. We may not be kids anymore but we aren't old yet either.

 

[SonofThunder]

Duh, and the campaign just put out an ad that says Ron is cutting a trillion WHICH SCARES THOSE WHO DEPEND ON SENIOR ENTITLEMENTS because they have been conditioned over and over that you can't balance the budget without gutting senior entitlements. I am thinking the people who review the ads don't get this because people don't tell them, because no one wants to say they are voting for benefits. But it is clearly how they vote. They see it as a contract right since they paid in all their lives and this is EXACTLY how Ron Paul refers to it, as well.

I even contemplated the point that Ron's excellent ad guy's wife works for Romney and we are going into New Hampshire when I saw the 'closing argument ad' touting the cuts and NOT adding "without cutting social security, medicare, or veteran's benefits". It is a HUGE deal, and it kept coming up to volunteer canvassers in NH. I hope they get on it. If not WE need to make flyers or something saying this and referring them to Ron's plan so people in New Hampshire can put them, along with a flyer made out of AF's ad on the energy eminent domain piece, under windshield wipers at senior centers. Something like:

Ron Paul's budget plan balances the budget in three years---

without cutting social security, medicare or veteran's benefits!

A fiscal conservative plan with the right priorities!!!!

Then it would quote directly from Ron's plan:



then sites where they can find the plan

Review Ron Paul's Plan to Restore America at: http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/ron-paul-plan-to-restore-america/

This times a million.

We need a "big dog" style ad that covers this in 30 seconds or less. We need Ron Paul to emphasize that he is the ONLY candidate that will SAVE Med. and SS. We need to get aggressive with a positive message about SS, Medicare, and National Defense.

All of this philosophical talk and complaining about the problem talk is just going to scare people away.

 

[sailingaway]

We don't have to call them anything, we just have to get them the information. We are calling them that in the context of vote demographic break down but we could say 'over X age' I suppose. I agree collectivism isn't our forte, but if we are trying to figure out if there is a commonality of interest we aren't addressing, we need to look at what is there in the commonality of interest linking people's interests together.

How do you think we should refer to this?

 

[Travlyr]

Some don't use the internet. If you see a breakdown of who uses the internet, the largest block that doesn't use it AT ALL and may not even own a computer is over 55. The internet didn't really exist until the nineties and a lot of old people had habits set before then.

Almost everyone I know who is over 65 owns a computer and has email.

Those who start to use it love it, (my mother does) but there is a holistic world out there without the internet, unless you wonder about something enough to look it up, it is easy to think the news on TV is news. I did myself until about 2006, and I DID use the internet, regularly at work, just not as my primary news source. I read google front page when I logged in, but didn't search for news.

People who do not use the internet are not primary voters.

 

[Travlyr]

I guarantee if you go around calling people in their 40s and 50s "older folks" or, heaven forbid, "seniors" you will NOT find a receptive audience. We may not be kids anymore but we aren't old yet either.

Exactly. Why should we listen to a bunch of disrespectful kids?

 

[sailingaway]

Almost everyone I know who is over 65 owns a computer and has email.

People who do not use the internet are not primary voters.

as to a) that is anecdotal, I am speaking of studies on this. You may be in a particular income group as well. Many on fixed incomes (think social security) consider a computer a purchase they don't need, I guess.

as to b) yes they do, look at the demographics of who votes.

 

[Travlyr]

as to a) that is anecdotal, I am speaking of studies on this. You may be in a particular income group as well. Many on fixed incomes (think social security) consider a computer a purchase they don't need, I guess.

as to b) yes they do, look at the demographics of who votes.

Okay.

 

[Bruehound]

i would need to see more detailed data as to why Ron is lagging in that demographic. It is a mistake to assume it has to do with issues of entitlement. It is more likely, IMO that this is a generation that lived through the cold war and is used to living with an enemy and cannot concieve otherwise.

 

[blazeKing]

I just find it ironic that the oldest man in the race is getting the young vote and the younger car salesman looking guy is getting the older vote..lol

Ron needs to stress security, safety and SS/Medicare being saved...it's an absolute must. He must attack Romney and the others for being NOT SAFE FOR AMERICA. Because they are the status quo leading us towards economic ruin. And there is no SS/Medicare in economic ruin.

 

[Constitutional Paulicy]

This times a million.

We need a "big dog" style ad that covers this in 30 seconds or less. We need Ron Paul to emphasize that he is the ONLY candidate that will SAVE Med. and SS. We need to get aggressive with a positive message about SS, Medicare, and National Defense.

All of this philosophical talk and complaining about the problem talk is just going to scare people away.

I agree. I also think RP himself should put emphasis on this matter, in his many campaign speeches and hopefully his debates.