43 percent say socialism is a "good thing" for America

[Anti Federalist]

Not surprising.

Idiot kids brought up in socialistic, gynocratic institutions, more than half of all household receiving some form of socialist government cheese, and tens of millions of migrant invaders still doe-eyed over the failed socialist shitholes they just ran away from, and I'm, quite frankly, suprised that number isn't higher.

Stick a fork in this place...it's done.

Of the remnant, separate now, or die.



Four in 10 Americans Embrace Some Form of Socialism

https://news.gallup.com/poll/257639/four-americans-embrace-form-socialism.aspx

43% of Americans say socialism would be a good thing for the country
51% believe socialism would be a bad thing for the country
Americans split on viewing economy as free market or government controlled

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Americans today are more closely divided than they were earlier in the last century when asked whether some form of socialism would be a good or bad thing for the country. While 51% of U.S. adults say socialism would be a bad thing for the country, 43% believe it would be a good thing. Those results contrast with a 1942 Roper/Fortune survey that found 40% describing socialism as a bad thing, 25% a good thing and 34% not having an opinion.

More Americans Now See Socialism as a Good Thing for the Country
Would some form of socialism be a good thing or a bad thing for the country as a whole?
1942 2019 Change
Good thing 25 43 +18
Bad thing 40 51 +11
No opinion 34 6 -28
Net "good thing" -15 -8 +7
Note: 1942 data gathered by Roper Center for Public Opinion Research

The Roper/Fortune survey is one of the oldest trend questions measuring attitudes on socialism in the U.S. Gallup's update of the question in an April 17-30 survey finds Americans more likely to have an opinion on the matter now, as well as a smaller gap in the percentage calling socialism a bad thing vs. a good thing.

Previous Gallup research shows that Americans' definition of socialism has changed over the years, with nearly one in four now associating the concept with social equality and 17% associating it with the more classical definition of having some degree of government control over the means of production. A majority of Democrats have said they view socialism positively in Gallup polling since 2010, including 57% in the most recent measure in 2018.

 

[Swordsmyth]

https://twitter.com/thecjpearson/status/1128399475209318401

 

[Swordsmyth]

Don't let propaganda polls get you down, they need to be taken with a whole sack of salt.

There are far too many of them though and we need to separate or we will end up killing eachother.

 

[DamianTV]

Last time they tried it, it failed because "it wasnt real socialism". And it failed the time before that, and the time before that and the time before that! Something something history repeats itself? But that would be redundant now wouldnt it? Yay socialism! The real version this time, not that fake phoney polluted version they had last time...

 

[ATruepatriot]

 

[PAF]

Good graphic.
[MENTION=65299]Swordsmyth[/MENTION] - take a good look at that. Now try to put the pieces of the puzzle together to see why your (and trumps) statist restrictionist philosophy will absolutely worsen things.


Here is another for you:

 

[Superfluous Man]

And 2/3 of the other 57% also support socialism but just refuse to admit that's what they support.

 

[ATruepatriot]

Good graphic.
[MENTION=65299]Swordsmyth[/MENTION] - take a good look at that. Now try to put the pieces of the puzzle together to see why your (and trumps) statist restrictionist philosophy will absolutely worsen things.

You obviously support Communism as the better option then?

 

[ATruepatriot]

And 2/3 of the other 57% also support socialism but just refuse to admit that's what they support.

Communism is the better option then?

 

[PAF]

You obviously support Communism as the better option then?

LOL NO

What you, SwordShill and a few others blindly support, and do not fully understand it and why, is communism. You guys are the commies but try so fervently to turn it back on us in order to further the statist goal.

I am a Free Market guy who endorses Contract Rights, Natural Law, and of course my signature.

 

[ATruepatriot]

LOL NO

What you, SwordShill and a few others blindly support, and do not fully understand it and why, is communism. You guys are the commies but try so fervently to turn it back on us in order to further the statist goal.

I am a Free Market guy who endorses Contract Rights, Natural Law, and of course my signature.

Well in a perfect world I believe in the very same. But we are not in a perfect world and only have two options to choose from right now at this point in time. An imperfect Republic or Communism, choose one. Because reality dictates 5 purist good old boys in an elite club of purism is not enough influence to produce a third option. It's not even enough to keep a website alive if you cleanse it of all the impure and imperfect.

 

[Superfluous Man]

Communism is the better option then?

To be totally honest, I don't even get the difference between those. But no. I don't get why you asked me that either. Did I say something implying communism was better than socialism?

 

[PAF]

Well in a perfect world I believe in the very same. But we are not in a perfect world and only have two options to choose from right now at this point in time. An imperfect Republic or Communism, choose one. Because reality dictates 5 purist good old boys in an elite club of purism is not enough influence to produce a third option. It's not even enough to keep a website alive if you cleanse it of all the impure and imperfect.

Perfect world or not, it is most important to stay principled, and not bow to communist agendas. My way preserves what is left of this "republic" while supporting/endorsing individualism and freedom. Swordy's way supports more government statism (communist alert!), no matter how he "spins" his rhetoric.

 

[Anti Globalist]

Thats what happens when you have kids that get taught in government institutions. Granted I was taught in those places as well, but at least I woke up to the truth a few years back. These kids on the other hand I can't say the same. Some of them might be able to wake up but the majority won't.

 

[ATruepatriot]

To be totally honest, I don't even get the difference between those. But no. I don't get why you asked me that either. Did I say something implying communism was better than socialism?

There is no difference between the two. Socialism is just a pre-tune up to make a Communist engine run good. I ask because you obviously hate our imperfect Republic and seem to rather have socialism/communism as a more advantageous environment to advance liberty.

 

[Superfluous Man]

There is no difference between the two. Socialism is just a pre-tune up to make a Communist engine run good. I ask because you obviously hate our imperfect Republic and seem to rather have socialism/communism as a more advantageous environment to advance liberty.

Can you quote me saying something that suggested I hated our imperfect Republic or preferred socialism/communism?

Would you make this same charge against Ron Paul?

 

[ATruepatriot]

Perfect world or not, it is most important to stay principled, and not bow to communist agendas. My way preserves what is left of this "republic" while supporting/endorsing individualism and freedom. Swordy's way supports more government statism (communist alert!), no matter how he "spins" his rhetoric.

Since you always bring this back to the open/closed border "more statism" argument with Swordy let's get real then. What is your skin in the game? Because over the years I have seen very little true compassion and humanity for others in this movement. There is always an underlying goal of self over others as a main priority. How are open borders going to promote a richer environment for liberty and freedom to fruit in the future?

Educate me on all the realistic cause and effect advantages that are truly going to make us freer...

Now keep in mind I AM NOT Swordy and deserve the very respect as an individual you claim to stand on principle for.

 

[PAF]

Since you always bring this back to the open/closed border "more statism" argument with Swordy let's get real then. What is your skin in the game? Because over the years I have seen very little true compassion and humanity for others in this movement. There is always an underlying goal of self over others as a main priority. How are open borders going to promote a richer environment for liberty and freedom to fruit in the future?

Educate me on all the realistic cause and effect advantages that are truly going to make us freer...

Now keep in mind I AM NOT Swordy and deserve the very respect as an individual you claim to stand on principle for.

I do not want to hand out MY hard-earned money for incentives, or welfare - not to foreigners OR multi-generational Section 8 folks who do not want to work.

I do not want to travel another 20 miles out my way, in gas and time, to look for an entry/exit point only to be stopped, questioned or searched by government goons. Or show my "papers". Or have my money confiscated just because I am close to the border and this "government" only permits carrying only up to $10,000 before it IS confiscated.

I do not want foreigners "registered" or "documented", because I do not want them to have loophole access to MY money when they appear at a local government office. I would MUCH rather have the lady at the counter say "I am sorry, you have no ID so you are not eligible to receive this or that benefit".

I do not want businesses to have to be forced to pay government minimum wage in lieu of "private contract rights". It will cause businesses to be deemed criminals if they get caught and either fined or fold up, it will provide more money to the Fed.gov by way of more taxation, and down the road IF businesses are still operating cause prices to rise. It will also cause businesses to hire less people because that is what minimum wage does.

I do not want a Constitution Free Zone, at the border, by the sea, N, S, E or W. My rights belong to me - not you, not the government, not DHS, not ICE.

Freedom is selfish, but it is also compassionate - IF one is willing and able to be productive and work.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

Many, especially those who identify with two major parties .. especially Democrats, support socialism to some extent but lately support for it is getting bit out of hand.
Socialist Soviet Union is no more, doesn't that teach MSM supported polticians anything?


Socialist Bernie Sanders supporters vow to support Trump if Bernie isn’t the nominee

Trump Care
Trump promises 'great healthcare' after 2020 race
Tuesday, April 02, 2019
U.S. President Donald Trump said on Monday he was willing to wait until after the 2020 presidential election to get Congress to vote on a new healthcare plan, giving Republicans time to develop a proposal to replace Obamacare.
https://www.reuters.com/video/2019/04/02/trump-promises-great-healthcare-after-20?videoId=533073397

Trump to fund food stamps despite government shutdown
January 09, 2019
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/trump-to-fund-food-stamps-despite-government-shutdown

Pentagon sending 100s of cooks to border to cook food for migrants

 

[Ender]

Since you always bring this back to the open/closed border "more statism" argument with Swordy let's get real then. What is your skin in the game? Because over the years I have seen very little true compassion and humanity for others in this movement. There is always an underlying goal of self over others as a main priority. How are open borders going to promote a richer environment for liberty and freedom to fruit in the future?

Educate me on all the realistic cause and effect advantages that are truly going to make us freer...

Now keep in mind I AM NOT Swordy and deserve the very respect as an individual you claim to stand on principle for.

No, that would be the forum statists that always bring things back to the border issue.

Most of us "free market/free trade/natural rights advocates stand with Ron Paul:

No entitlements.
A reasonable pathway to citizenship
No REAL ID
Reasonable protection at the border- yes- but do not turn it into a war zone.