413-1: Ron Paul lone dissenter again

[wgadget]

Wow, are they gonna be surprised when we raise a ruckus at the national convention...

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Which is why we need help in the states where the primaries are still to come -- if we can pull a big RP vote out of here, then we can send truckloads more delegates to the natn'l convention!

Many of us in the late states went to the early states and the Super Tuesday states to help out. Now there is a real need in the late states for canvassers to help increase the RP vote and thus send more delegates to the Natn'l convention.

 

[Paulitical Correctness]

Good job guys, LOL.

"The vote was 413-1. Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, who has not dropped out of the presidential race, was the lone congressman voting against it."

 

[Kilrain]

Good job guys, LOL.

"The vote was 413-1. Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, who has not dropped out of the presidential race, was the lone congressman voting against it."

I wonder just how many e-mails they got. Nice!

 

[EvansHall]

Didn't the Congress issue a proclamation criticizing Turkey for something that happened 80 years ago, which was followed within days by Turkey invading northern Iraq? Seems to me we should stop issuing proclamations of criticism.

Yup, my useless congressman (D - Schiff CA-29) sponsored that useless bill. Glendale (huge Armenian community) is in his district. It doesn't take a genius to see where his priorities are.

 

[zzzz8]

Your mindless Revolution rehtoric aside, this is EXACTLY what Paul was advocating. It's talk, nothing more.

Geez, why the hostility? Mindless?

I'm not sure how this would qualify as "just talk." The resolution states:

(1) calls on the Government of the People's Republic of China to end its crackdown on nonviolent Tibetan protestors and its continuing cultural, religious, economic, and linguistic repression inside Tibet;

(2) calls on the Chinese Government to begin a results-based dialogue, without preconditions, directly with His Holiness the Dalai Lama to address the legitimate grievances of the Tibetan people and provide for a long-term solution that respects the human rights and dignity of every Tibetan;

(3) calls on the Chinese Government to allow independent international monitors and journalists, free and unfettered access to the Tibet Autonomous Region and all other Tibetan areas of China for the purpose of monitoring and documenting events surrounding the Tibetan protests and to verify that individuals injured receive adequate medical care;

(4) calls on the Chinese Government to immediately release all Tibetans who are imprisoned for nonviolently expressing opposition to Chinese Government policies in Tibet;

(5) calls on the United States Department of State to publicly issue a statement reconsidering its decision not to include the People's Republic of China among the group of countries described as `the world's most systematic human rights violators' in the introduction of the 2007 Country Reports on Human Rights Practices; and

(6) calls on the United States Department of State to fully implement the Tibetan Policy Act of 2002 (22 U.S.C. 6901 note), including the stipulation that the Secretary of State `seek to establish an office in Lhasa, Tibet to monitor political, economic and cultural developments in Tibet', and also to provide consular protection and citizen services in emergencies, and further urges that the agreement to permit China to open further diplomatic missions in the United States should be contingent upon the establishment of a United States Government office in Lhasa.

So our House of Representatives is telling the Chinese government what it should do. We're doing a similar kind of "talk" and saber rattling - actually, probably much worse - with Iran and North Korea. Would you consider that "just talk?" Our government should not be telling other governments what to do if our country is not threatened in any way. Again, if this is what Ron wanted to do, he would have voted for the resolution.

 

[frasu]

awesome job guys, not the article is right!!!

The vote was 413-1. Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, who has not dropped out of the presidential race, was the lone congressman voting against it.

I had to add the quote jus because it sound very good

 

[jonsmallberries]

Would you have a member of Congress or the President unilaterally issuing statements on behalf of the United States, or would you prefer a majority consensus statement approved by almost all of the House?. This meddles in the affairs of China no more than my post meddles in the affairs of your life. What's more it appears the vast majority of our elected House members approve of it.

Do I approve of it? No, Do I approve of this manner of delivery over legislation for action in the form of sanctions, military action etc.? HELL YES. This is the talking with other nations that Ron Paul was advocating.

You should read Ron Paul's speech when he also was the lone vote against condemning Palestinian rocket attacks into Israel. He voted against this on similar principles I suspect. These blow-hard resolutions waste time, money, and increase tensions. It won't help the Tibetans out in any way, and China will be less likely to discuss this with us on a more diplomatic level. It's just a show. Given Congress's horrible approval rating, I'm pretty much assuming anything that goes against the tide is a good thing at this point.

 

[jonsmallberries]

Your mindless Revolution rehtoric aside, this is EXACTLY what Paul was advocating. It's talk, nothing more.

It smacks of cowardice. Retreat to your treehouse, raise the ladder, and heckle the people on the ground. It does NOT help anything. This is a diplomatic issue. It will NOT help Tibetans. It WILL worsen our relations with China. I bet you Paul is cheering for the protesters, but this is not what the legislature should be doing. It is absolutely meddling in the affairs of another country, via rhetoric and antagonization.

 

[mello]

CNN corrected the story.
Now it says:

"The vote was 413-1. Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, who
has not dropped out of the presidential race,
was the lone congressman voting against it."

I wonder how many minutes it took to bury CNN's
email server?

 

[belian78]

The resolution has no force of law and is essentially a statement of this nation's opinion. I'm totally cool with that. It's communication, it doesn't meddle, it doesn't impose, it simple talks.

and this is the same type of resolutions passed in the house leading up to the first gulf wars, and the balkans, and other places as well. so they are not entirely innocent 'opinions' when they are used in later years as justifications for military actions.

 

[mtmedlin]

I sent mine in. things like this make me so impressed with Dr. Paul. Principles, hard to find these days.

 

[constitutional]

They fixed the error on their web site.

 

[pacelli]

They fixed the error on their web site.

Seems like the emails were effective:

The vote was 413-1. Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, who has not dropped out of the presidential race, was the lone congressman voting against it.

 

[familydog]

Cool. Good job everyone.

 

[Rangeley]

Glad to see they fixed it, even if their correction is slightly humorous in nature.

 

[IDefendThePlatform]

Good work on the correction everybody. One more small step toward holding the media responsible for their reporting.

 

[Karakia]

(6) calls on the United States Department of State to fully implement the Tibetan Policy Act of 2002 (22 U.S.C. 6901 note), including the stipulation that the Secretary of State `seek to establish an office in Lhasa, Tibet to monitor political, economic and cultural developments in Tibet', and also to provide consular protection and citizen services in emergencies, and further urges that the agreement to permit China to open further diplomatic missions in the United States should be contingent upon the establishment of a United States Government office in Lhasa....

??? Is this just a consulate?

 

[zzzz8]

??? Is this just a consulate?

No, probably just another CIA station.

 

[nodope0695]

Agreed. RP did the right thing, in keeping with his noninterventionalist stance on foriegn policy.

Check out this story, and especially note the dorky headline...if the author knew anything about RP, he'd not have used such inflamatory language:

http://studentpa.info/spip.php?article653

RP is NOT against human rights. He IS against the congress meddling in the policies of other nations. As his spokesman stated, "It is not congress's place."