41 years of abortions in 5 minutes.

[CaseyJones]

 

[AuH20]

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/01/22/obama-abortion-means-everyone-gets-to-fulfill-their-dreams/

Today, as we reflect on the 41st anniversary of the Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade, we recommit ourselves to the decision’s guiding principle: that every woman should be able to make her own choices about her body and her health. We reaffirm our steadfast commitment to protecting a woman’s access to safe, affordable health care and her constitutional right to privacy, including the right to reproductive freedom. And we resolve to reduce the number of unintended pregnancies, support maternal and child health, and continue to build safe and healthy communities for all our children. Because this is a country where everyone deserves the same freedom and opportunities to fulfill their dreams.

Building a mountain of bodies so you can fulfill your "dreams" isn't my idea of freedom. Sorry bub. The doublespeak don't work.

 

[Smart3]

"One method of destroying a concept is by diluting its meaning. Observe that by ascribing rights to the unborn, i.e., the nonliving, the anti-abortionists obliterate the rights of the living." - Ayn Rand

"The states are not free, under the guise of protecting maternal health or potential life, to intimidate women into continuing pregnancies." ~Justice Harry A. Blackmun, Roe v. Wade, 22 January 1973

“No woman can call herself free until she can choose consciously whether she will or will not be a mother.”
― Margaret Sanger

“Reproductive freedom is critical to a whole range of issues. If we can’t take charge of this most personal aspect of our lives, we can’t take care of anything. It should not be seen as a privilege or as a benefit, but a fundamental human right.”
― Faye Wattleton

"A fetus does not have a right to be in the womb of any woman, but is there by her permission. This permission may be revoked by the woman at any time, because her womb is part of her body... There is no such thing as the right to live inside the body of another, i.e. there is no right to enslave... a woman is not a breeding pig owned by the state (or church). Even if a fetus were developed to the point of surviving as an independent being outside the pregnant woman's womb, the fetus would still not have the right to be inside the woman's womb." - Capitalism Magazine

Bolds are mine.

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To address the video, I strongly condemn the use of children. Children who have not developed brains capable of understanding the issue, let alone making up their own minds. Many of the children used by anti-choice organizations will grow up to not only have abortions themselves but also condemn their previous remarks.

As a rule, the people in the video should be old enough to have an abortion themselves.

 

[liberalnurse]

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This permission may be revoked by the woman at any time, because her womb is part of her body... Even if a fetus were developed to the point of surviving as an independent being outside the pregnant woman's womb, the fetus would still not have the right to be inside the woman's womb." - Capitalism Magazine

This is my issue. I can't wrap my head around late term abortions. 26 weeks in most states. That's six months. Shouldn't one know by then if they want the baby or not?

Although the system is clearly immature and much development is still to occur (fig 1), good evidence exists that the biological system necessary for pain is intact and functional from around 26 weeks' gestation.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1440624/

Good scientific article out of the UK.

 

[tod evans]

Many of the children used by anti-choice organizations will grow up to not only have abortions themselves but also condemn their previous remarks.

And a great many progressive males come to woe their advocacy of a "pro-choice" position when their child is aborted without their consent.

A womans body is no more sacrosanct than a mans and a fetus takes both a man and a woman to create.

Neither should have the option of abortion without the others written and informed consent.

Granting the woman unilateral authority over their fetus is wrong regardless of your position on abortion itself.

 

[Smart3]

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This is my issue. I can't wrap my head around late term abortions. 26 weeks in most states. That's six months. Shouldn't one know by then if they want the baby or not?


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1440624/

Good scientific article out of the UK.

I'm not concerned about late abortions, as they are done for (what I deem) good reasons - often because the fetus will not survive long after birth. You can't tell a woman to give birth to a dead fetus. It's just wrong.

Granting the woman unilateral authority over their fetus is wrong regardless of your position on abortion itself.

Once you can get pregnant, you can exercise your authority.

 

[green73]

I'm not concerned about late abortions, as they are done for (what I deem) good reasons - often because the fetus will not survive long after birth. You can't tell a woman to give birth to a dead fetus. It's just wrong.

Yeah, that's the only time late term murders are done,

 

[dillo]

What is the justification for not allowing abortion if the mothers life is in danger from the pregnancy?

 

[tod evans]

Once you can get pregnant, you can exercise your authority.

Okay Smart-Ass once again you fail to address the issue raised and try to redirect back to your opinion that only the woman has a say-so in killing a fetus.

The issue raised is men and woman have an equal stake in the matter, in fact the mans stake is actually greater than the womans.

So how about dropping your childish and immature attempts at rhetoric and addressing the issue raised?

 

[moostraks]

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This is my issue. I can't wrap my head around late term abortions. 26 weeks in most states. That's six months. Shouldn't one know by then if they want the baby or not?

Well, just going off my experience (not the abortion but the relationship disaster) and those who have been pregnant and had relationships fall apart (go to most birth boards around the 5 month time frame and a certain portion of these women will be discussing their failed relationship), my guess would be that by the time one is 6 months you have begun to show and the reality of the pregnancy sets in.(and the situation is blowing up at this point) So the significant other bails and the woman panics and feels she cannot do this all alone. By this time the woman has gone through full blown hormone changes, often chronic nausea and vomiting, swelling, and can be unpleasant to be around esp. if they expect to be pampered or have never experienced anything like this before. You cannot totally fault the s.o.s who panic and need some space as they grasp the reality of the situation. Abortion is the quick fix for what they see as the problem. When life is so easily disposable, then they will not comprehend the seriousness of the decision they are making.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

I'm not concerned about late abortions, as they are done for (what I deem) good reasons - often because the fetus will not survive long after birth. You can't tell a woman to give birth to a dead fetus. It's just wrong.


Once you can get pregnant, you can exercise your authority.

Without responsibility for decisions made like having sex?

 

[Influenza]

What is the justification for not allowing abortion if the mothers life is in danger from the pregnancy?

There really isn't one....

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Eat too much you might get fat, drink too much you might destroy your liver, skydive a lot and the parachute might not open, get in fights you might get your jaw broken, have sex you might get pregnant. People know these things, right?

People want consequences removed, and maybe someday you'll be able to have virtual experiences in full 3D without any consequences and then you'll be able to just dream your life away.

So, in the mean time we try to save the weak with vaccines, send young men off to die, bomb innocent people to overthrow puppets, send our children off to preschool, devalue our currency so that both parents/partners have to work, feed the masses off of assembly lines, force children to play on merry-go-rounds to pump water for irrigation, lie, cheat, steal, give our word with fingers crossed behind our backs, hold our heads up high.

 

[Ronin Truth]

PREVENT unwanted pregnancies (it's the grownup thing to do). No pregnancy, no abortion. DUH!

 

[Smart3]

Well, just going off my experience (not the abortion but the relationship disaster) and those who have been pregnant and had relationships fall apart (go to most birth boards around the 5 month time frame and a certain portion of these women will be discussing their failed relationship), my guess would be that by the time one is 6 months you have begun to show and the reality of the pregnancy sets in.(and the situation is blowing up at this point) So the significant other bails and the woman panics and feels she cannot do this all alone. By this time the woman has gone through full blown hormone changes, often chronic nausea and vomiting, swelling, and can be unpleasant to be around esp. if they expect to be pampered or have never experienced anything like this before. You cannot totally fault the s.o.s who panic and need some space as they grasp the reality of the situation. Abortion is the quick fix for what they see as the problem. When life is so easily disposable, then they will not comprehend the seriousness of the decision they are making.

and those are precisely the women who should be getting abortions at that point.

What is the justification for not allowing abortion if the mothers life is in danger from the pregnancy?

Well the most extreme people believe that the "life" of the fetus is equal to the life of the woman in question. As such, there is no inherent value to an already alive woman. Better to risk both than intentionally kill one.

 

[Origanalist]

and those are precisely the women who should be getting abortions at that point.


Well the most extreme people believe that the "life" of the fetus is equal to the life of the woman in question. As such, there is no inherent value to an already alive woman. Better to risk both than intentionally kill one.

Every time you post on this subject I feel like I need a shower.

 

[jbauer]

Ahh, pick some Ayn Rand etc quotes ...Yeah for you, you get a star today. Not all of "libertarians" are pro-(mother only)-choice. Ever think for a moment that the baby might just have something to say about whether it gets to live or die?

"One method of destroying a concept is by diluting its meaning. Observe that by ascribing rights to the unborn, i.e., the nonliving, the anti-abortionists obliterate the rights of the living." - Ayn Rand

"The states are not free, under the guise of protecting maternal health or potential life, to intimidate women into continuing pregnancies." ~Justice Harry A. Blackmun, Roe v. Wade, 22 January 1973

“No woman can call herself free until she can choose consciously whether she will or will not be a mother.”
― Margaret Sanger

“Reproductive freedom is critical to a whole range of issues. If we can’t take charge of this most personal aspect of our lives, we can’t take care of anything. It should not be seen as a privilege or as a benefit, but a fundamental human right.”
― Faye Wattleton

"A fetus does not have a right to be in the womb of any woman, but is there by her permission. This permission may be revoked by the woman at any time, because her womb is part of her body... There is no such thing as the right to live inside the body of another, i.e. there is no right to enslave... a woman is not a breeding pig owned by the state (or church). Even if a fetus were developed to the point of surviving as an independent being outside the pregnant woman's womb, the fetus would still not have the right to be inside the woman's womb." - Capitalism Magazine

Bolds are mine.

____

To address the video, I strongly condemn the use of children. Children who have not developed brains capable of understanding the issue, let alone making up their own minds. Many of the children used by anti-choice organizations will grow up to not only have abortions themselves but also condemn their previous remarks.

As a rule, the people in the video should be old enough to have an abortion themselves.

 

[tod evans]

Ahh, pick some Ayn Rand etc quotes ...Yeah for you, you get a star today. Not all of "libertarians" are pro-(mother only)-choice. Ever think for a moment that the baby might just have something to say about whether it gets to live or die?

He flat out refuses to even discuss a fathers rights so I'm pretty certain he'll do his best to ignore the baby too....

Doesn't seem to fit his world view as it's been expressed here.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Ahh, pick some Ayn Rand etc quotes ...Yeah for you, you get a star today. Not all of "libertarians" are pro-(mother only)-choice. Ever think for a moment that the baby might just have something to say about whether it gets to live or die?

I think the Ayn Rand quote is telling but frankly the fact that Margaret Sanger, of all people, is quoted in an attempt to defend a position here of all places (where I'd think the majority would know who Margaret Sanger was) is incredible.

I would bet, that even aside from Roe v. Wade, Blackmun was involved in some very terrible rulings and the precedents they set. I care not enough to look through some of the popular cases to read his opinions. I will go out on a limb and ascribe him the label of "short-sighted tyrant." Much as the rest of his ilk (even the supposed "good ones") were.

Here's some Margaret Sanger quotes.

[We should] apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is tainted, or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring.-- Margaret Sanger

Give dysgenic groups [people with "bad genes"] in our population their choice of segregation or [compulsory] sterilization.-- Margaret Sanger

Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race.-- Margaret Sanger

We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.-- Margaret Sanger

If my memory doesn't fail me, I believe Smart3 has defended this woman in the past.

 

[tod evans]

If my memory doesn't fail me, I believe Smart3 has defended this woman in the past.

Drive-by proselytizing seems to be the modus operandi..