400,000 march for "climate change" in NYC

Well it could be sent on a slow rocket into the Sun. POOF! Vaporized. ;) :D

Next insoluble problem?
It's too dangerous to transport it outside of the atmosphere. One accident and poof, the atmosphere is polluted with radioactive material.
 
the climate change debate has never been about the science. it's always been about control.

Sounds like a plot device from a cheesy Michael Bay Film...


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Every day I quietly thank whoever the brave soul was that leaked all the Climategate emails. A true whistleblower hero. Lord only knows where we'd be today if that hadn't happened and the AGW hysteria of that time had continued unabated.
 
Every day I quietly thank whoever the brave soul was that leaked all the Climategate emails. A true whistleblower hero. Lord only knows where we'd be today if that hadn't happened and the AGW hysteria of that time had continued unabated.

the climategate emails did not discredit any major claims on climate predictions. CRU wasn't and still isn't the source of temperature data, nor are they the last stop to policy making. CRU can burn down and climate change theory would still stand on available evidence on its own.
 
Aherm....

West Coast warming linked to naturally occurring changes

Naturally occurring changes in winds, not human-caused climate change, are responsible for most of the warming on land and in the sea along the West Coast of North America over the last century, a study has found.

The analysis challenges assumptions that the buildup of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere has been a significant driver of the increase in temperatures observed over many decades in the ocean and along the coastline from Alaska to California.

http://www.latimes.com/science/la-sci-pacific-warming-20140923-story.html
 
what does wasting smartphones have to do with climate? are you suggesting people who hate oil companies and want carbon emissions have to hate capitalism?

I am suggesting that these people want more government regulations to make sure air/water is clean. As consumers, if they have a problem a way company does things, then don't buy.

They want things, things that is probably made with a lot of waste products and pollution. They want it, but at the same time they want government to step in to make it a cleaner process so they feel less guilty about it. What they should do is not buy things from company that pollutes.
 
Well it could be sent on a slow rocket into the Sun...
Funny you should mention this... [Regarding how to dispose of nuclear waste.]

My UFO friends have shown me just how difficult it really is to "fly into the sun" from the Earth.

I think it's because the sun already has a HUGE gravitational pull on the not too measly gravity
of the entire Earth (that we are all already very familiar with) and the two are in perfect (elliptical)
orbital equilibrium with each other. It takes a "fast" rocket that has lots of "oomph" to gradually
get off the ground and into an orbit around the earth (or around the moon). It’s even possible to
"slingshot" near hit passes around the moon or around other planets with some clever orbital
mechanics calculations and the application of lots of additional "oomph" to the rocket.

Everything about those rocket rides mentioned above involve very high speed and adding even
higher speed /sling shot space flight(s) that originate from the already high relative speed of
an Earth-based launch pad (off of the ground that's already moving in orbit around the sun,
almost once each year).

The difficulty is slowing down from Earth's orbit round the sun. This requires a whole lot more
"oomph" to stop from orbiting the sun. Although it could be accomplished by complex reverse
slingshot "near hits" around the moon and/or other nearby planets, it's just not practical to
use the sun as a waste basket. There might even be a little solar wind blow back, like pissing
into a fan.

In any case, dispersing the contamination, evenly, over a wide area might bring the danger back
down to background radiation levels
. Maybe even a rocket malfunction and disintegration

while in low earth orbit would have an acceptable, even desirable population reducing increase
in cancer and painful death. (Take all the climate chance activists, please.) Probably not
a good plan.

It would require far less "oomph" energy and magnitudes easier orbital mechanics precision

to simply shoot for a "near miss" at the moon and turn it into our "local" off-world garbage
dump.

While it's possible to recycle and re-process those self-contaminated/spent nuclear fuel rods
back into useable fuel rods (hopefully with better results than a retreaded truck tire), it's best
to just figure out a "safe" location to store the deadly nuclear waste products, like forever.

I'm sure the central planners will consider their options/profits and then force some
ham-fisted solution on eva’body else.


http://news.sciencemag.org/asiapacific/2014/09/fukushima-radiation-still-poisoning-insects
 
I am suggesting that these people want more government regulations to make sure air/water is clean.

Climate change has nothing to do with water, air or soil being clean. Unless you're talking about floods, droughts and hurricanes which affect potable water.

As consumers, if they have a problem a way company does things, then don't buy.

Exactly, which is why I have a right to stop hearing about people bitch about Monsanto and drug companies.

They want things, things that is probably made with a lot of waste products and pollution. They want it, but at the same time they want government to step in to make it a cleaner process so they feel less guilty about it. What they should do is not buy things from company that pollutes.

Really though, how do you know they don't?
 
the climategate emails did not discredit any major claims on climate predictions. CRU wasn't and still isn't the source of temperature data, nor are they the last stop to policy making. CRU can burn down and climate change theory would still stand on available evidence on its own.

No one will ever forget "hide the decline".

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesta...0-new-e-mails-rock-the-global-warming-debate/

A new batch of 5,000 emails among scientists central to the assertion that humans are causing a global warming crisis were anonymously released to the public yesterday, igniting a new firestorm of controversy nearly two years to the day after similar emails ignited the Climategate scandal.

Three themes are emerging from the newly released emails: (1) prominent scientists central to the global warming debate are taking measures to conceal rather than disseminate underlying data and discussions; (2) these scientists view global warming as a political “cause” rather than a balanced scientific inquiry and (3) many of these scientists frankly admit to each other that much of the science is weak and dependent on deliberate manipulation of facts and data.

Regarding scientific transparency, a defining characteristic of science is the open sharing of scientific data, theories and procedures so that independent parties, and especially skeptics of a particular theory or hypothesis, can replicate and validate asserted experiments or observations. Emails between Climategate scientists, however, show a concerted effort to hide rather than disseminate underlying evidence and procedures.

“I’ve been told that IPCC is above national FOI [Freedom of Information] Acts. One way to cover yourself and all those working in AR5 would be to delete all emails at the end of the process,”writes Phil Jones, a scientist working with the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), in a newly released email.

“Any work we have done in the past is done on the back of the research grants we get – and has to be well hidden,” Jones writes in another newly released email. “I’ve discussed this with the main funder (U.S. Dept of Energy) in the past and they are happy about not releasing the original station data.”

The original Climategate emails contained similar evidence of destroying information and data that the public would naturally assume would be available according to freedom of information principles. “Mike, can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith [Briffa] re AR4 [UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change 4th Assessment]?” Jones wrote to Penn State University scientist Michael Mann in an email released in Climategate 1.0. “Keith will do likewise. … We will be getting Caspar [Ammann] to do likewise. I see that CA [the Climate Audit Web site] claim they discovered the 1945 problem in the Nature paper!!”

The new emails also reveal the scientists’ attempts to politicize the debate and advance predetermined outcomes.

“The trick may be to decide on the main message and use that to guid[e] what’s included and what is left out” of IPCC reports, writes Jonathan Overpeck, coordinating lead author for the IPCC’s most recent climate assessment.

“I gave up on [Georgia Institute of Technology climate professor] Judith Curry a while ago. I don’t know what she thinks she’s doing, but its not helping the cause,” wrote Mann in another newly released email.

“I have been talking w/ folks in the states about finding an investigative journalist to investigate and expose” skeptical scientist Steve McIntyre, Mann writes in another newly released email.

These new emails add weight to Climategate 1.0 emails revealing efforts to politicize the scientific debate. For example, Tom Wigley, a scientist at the University Corporation for Atmospheric Research, authored a Climategate 1.0 email asserting that his fellow Climategate scientists “must get rid of” the editor for a peer-reviewed science journal because he published some papers contradicting assertions of a global warming crisis.

More than revealing misconduct and improper motives, the newly released emails additionally reveal frank admissions of the scientific shortcomings of global warming assertions.

“Observations do not show rising temperatures throughout the tropical troposphere unless you accept one single study and approach and discount a wealth of others. This is just downright dangerous. We need to communicate the uncertainty and be honest. Phil, hopefully we can find time to discuss these further if necessary,” writes Peter Thorne of the UK Met Office.

“I also think the science is being manipulated to put a political spin on it which for all our sakes might not be too clever in the long run,” Thorne adds.

“Mike, The Figure you sent is very deceptive … there have been a number of dishonest presentations of model results by individual authors and by IPCC,” Wigley acknowledges.

More damaging emails will likely be uncovered during the next few days as observers pour through the 5,000 emails. What is already clear, however, is the need for more objective research and ethical conduct by the scientists at the heart of the IPCC and the global warming discussion.
 
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Do you even know what they're referring to by that?

Does it matter? They're a bunch of liars pushing political causes and money making ventures under the guise of impartial science. Climategate exposed it and everyone paying attention knew it. Sun deniers are creepy.
 
Does it matter?

You don't know what you're talking about, so yes, it matters.

They're a bunch of liars pushing political causes

Who is they?

and money making ventures under the guise of impartial science.

By what standard do you judge whether they are impartial science?

Climategate exposed it and everyone paying attention knew it. Sun deniers are creepy.

Saying it a million times won't make it true. I just called you out on your ignorance and gullibility, you bought the media lie that climate exposed some lie or conspiracy, you don't even know what the emails were referring to. YOU are the one who paid no attention, or else you'd actually know what 'hide the decline' meant, you'd actually know CRU e-mails exposed nothing about temperature data, CRU is not any authority on temperature publishing...etc.

Sun deniers? What evidence about solar activity influencing the climate are sun deniers denying and ignoring?
 
Climate change has nothing to do with water, air or soil being clean. Unless you're talking about floods, droughts and hurricanes which affect potable water.



Exactly, which is why I have a right to stop hearing about people bitch about Monsanto and drug companies.



Really though, how do you know they don't?

Monsanto and drug companies force their products upon the public. In the case of Monsanto, polluting other fields with their products when the seeds disperse which spoils the other farm and then suing for theft ironically. So to compare those protests to the climate change argument is apples to oranges.

These climate change folks want more government aggression in the market. These protesters are useful idiots for the big corporations that will merely, as they have proven, ship jobs out of the country and product back in all while destroying smaller production which will have less of a footprint in the long run. These folks will be used to destroy the very options true climate change believers desperately need to exploit.

The folks who shipped themselves out of area into NYC are hypocrites. Instead of walking the walk, they are narcissistic attention seekers. If the out of town protesters were really concerned, instead of going to NYC which compromised their own core values, they would be in smaller rallies and have drawn in those locals which could not afford to travel nor should they be traveling according to the arguments that are employed in their very protests.
 
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