2008 Liberty Dollar

I'd stay away from the Liberty Dollar. It is a rip of compared to other physical options.
 
I'd stay away from the Liberty Dollar. It is a rip of compared to other physical options.

Unless they look like mine :p

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Are they still selling for way above spot. I know the RPs went up dramatically after the arrest.
 
I was going to buy a few 1 ounce gold Liberty Dollars until I saw he wanted spot plus 10% [or spot plus 5% if you buy 100]. I decided against it because that's way too much of a premium. He's making over $90 just to stamp a gold coin [or about $50 each if you buy 100] you can get the more universally recognized and sellable Gold Eagles, Maple Leafs, and Kruggerands for way less than that.
 
I think they're walking a very fine legal line by including any mention of the word "dollar" on the coin. It amounts to counterfeiting, no matter his intention. It seems like only a matter of time before they get shut down for good and that existing coins are declared illegal and start to be seized. Plus, if they're trying to be a model for how hard money should work, changing the printed value over time is just wrong, wrong, wrong. That's also evidence to me that the goal is to be able to fool people into accepting those coins instead of US currency.

If they had just stuck to putting weight on them and avoided "dollars", it would have avoided all of these problems. IMO, that's how an ideal hard money would work.
 
True, there's no difference between their 20 dollar silver and the upcoming 50 dollar silver except the numbers stamped on them. Some people will see the $50 ones as being worth more. also I don't know why they're jumping from $20 to 450 because it currently takes over 2.5 ounces to meet the $50 value so why would a one ounce coin be declared as $50.

I'm with you, if he'd just stuck to printing the weight and purity of the metal he'd be better off.
 
It amounts to counterfeiting,

That's also evidence to me that the goal is to be able to fool people into accepting those coins instead of US currency.

That's just totally ridiculous. You'd have to be a complete moron to mistake these for legal tender currency.

They've stated several times on their website that people will have to negotiate with businesses to accept them. The government's case against them is a complete and total fraud.
 
So much for the free market, eh?

No apologies will come from me.

I have spent the last five years arguing the merits of the Liberty Dollar.

In a free-market you can take or leave any product, and I have plenty of customers, so I am certainly not desperate for any more.

I am simply informing those of you who may want to get involved with the LD, as there will likely never be a better time to take advantage of obtaining good money at a discount.

You can keep using bad money if you want to...
 
I like the old 90% silver coins. They can be found at spot and are easily recognizable.

Just got a roll of 64 Kennedys for 125 bucks, worth 6.32 FRN's each with silver at 17.50 :D
 
That's just totally ridiculous. You'd have to be a complete moron to mistake these for legal tender currency.

That may be, but wasn't that the basis upon which the FBI closed down the operation, seized assets, filed criminal charges, etc?


In a free-market you can take or leave any product, and I have plenty of customers, so I am certainly not desperate for any more.

I'm not sure there's a true free market in the US for money yet, but it's an worthwhile goal, and I certainly support the ideas behind the Liberty Dollar. It's their implementation that bothers me. But hey, if you and others are willing to take the risk financial, civil and criminal risks, then go for it! Civil disobedience is a good thing.


You can keep using bad money if you want to...

I guess I don't see what's wrong with junk 90% silver. On a competitive basis compared to the LD, you can get more silver per dollar spent. Even silver Maple Leafs have a lower premium.
 
I bid on a 1910-s $10 Indian Head Coin on ebay.

I didn't expect to win, as I really low balled the bid.

It turns out, not only did I win, it didn't get anywhere close to my maximum bid.

And now I'm concerned, my bid should not of won this item if it were legitimate.

The seller was not planning on insuring the item as part of the shipping cost, I told him this is a requirement for me and I will gladly pay. He has not responded yet.

He has a 99.7% positive rating, accepts paypal, so as long as he insures the package, I should be good as gold, right?
 
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I'm with AceNZ here. While I don't agree with the Liberty Dollars getting attacked by the Feds, I do agree that their implementation is stupid. They should be allowed to stay in business, but I'd hope that people in the free market will not waste their money on it.

Why print a dollar amount on the coins? Just put 1oz Silver on them or whatever it is and let that trade for what it can.
 
If thier feedback level is high enough 3-4 digits, then your probably ok. Lots of people put an item up there and don't pay attention to the spot price, sometimes bidders don't notice either. It is rare, but occasionally you can buy PMs on ebay for a discount if your willing to stalk the auctions about to end.
 
I'd stay away from the Liberty Dollar. It is a rip of compared to other physical options.

I love the Liberty Dollar but I must agree, buying Silver Eagles is a better purchase. Really no need to overpay for a 1oz silver coin. It would be just as easy to use Silver Eagles as currency as long as the two parties agreed to a value.

I did buy one Ron Paul silver just before the rest were stolen and I am glad to have it.
 
An attempt to explain the LD's premium above spot.

In order to understand the Liberty Dollar, one must
first comprehend the fraud being perpetrated upon We
the People via the propagation of the Federal Reserve
Note.

The Coinage Act of 1792 stipulates the exact
specifications for money, and the only lawful monetary
components consist of gold, silver and copper. Any
paper representing money is to be fully backed by
these same monetary metals.

The Federal Reserve, aka, The Creature from Jekyll
Island, introduced an elastic, fiat currency in 1913,
and it took 51 years of inflationary debasement to
remove silver from the coinage, another 7 years to
remove gold, and finally copper was all but eliminated
11 years later. Since 1913, the U.S. Dollar has lost
over 96% of its purchasing power, just as it was
designed.

In accordance with the Coinage Act of 1792, monetary
debasement is a crime punishable by death, yet We the
People have been using a fully debased currency for 26
years now.

Enter the Liberty Dollar, which indeed was the
brainchild of one Bernard von NotHaus, but has now
become a grassroots monetary phenomenon which CANNOT
be stopped via the usual totalitarian tactics of
slander and grand-theft.

Make no mistake that the FRN was indeed engineered to
LOSE purchasing power, via the hidden tax called
inflation, and thus ends the similarity between the
Liberty Dollar and the U.S. Dollar.

Yes, one could argue the use of the term "dollar"
smacks of similitude, but we need to understand the
definition of a dollar:

In accordance with the Coinage Act of 1792, which is
the ORIGINAL monetary law of the United States, one
dollar is 371.25 grains of silver. The original Tala
was a German, silver coin produced in the 15th
century, and the silver, Spanish Milled Dollar was the
prevailing currency of the day when the United States
Constitution was ratified.

As for the current (soon to be increased) face value
of $20 for a one-ounce Silver Liberty: I trust you
will agree that today $20 is a good deal for one-troy
ounce of silver with the silver spot price above $18
FRN.

Critics screamed bloody murder when the first $10
Silver Liberty was introduced, because it was SO FAR
above spot price, and yet, when the spot price reached
$8 FRN, the $10 Liberty was another good deal.

Are you seeing a pattern yet? The Liberty Dollar was
engineered to demonstrate the devaluation of the
Federal Reserve Note, while at the same time providing
value to the owner.

If I had kept a shoe box full of ten dollar bills
instead of trading them each for one ounce of silver
back in 2006, I would now be able to exchange that box
full of "money" for roughly half that amount of silver
today.

In accordance with its engineering specifications, the
FRN is going down, and will soon reach its true value
of ZERO.
The Liberty Dollar, on the other side of the scale, is
gaining value relative to the FRN, and right on cue.

So like it or not, the Liberty Dollar has already made
many people very happy, and as I mentioned in another
post, business is going so well that I can barely keep
up with orders.

In due time, the Liberty Dollar will be fully
vindicated, and concurrently, the Federal Reserve Note
will be fully implicated as the inflationary tool with
which the tyrannical, monetary elite intend to
subjugate We the People under the growing smog of
economic depression.

If making a profit is a criminal act, then why are the
Federal Reserve Board members freely traveling between
homes and vacation spots in their limousines, personal
jets, and yachts?
 
No problem with profit

In my opinion, money should be a specific weight of a pure metal. When you start using names for the monetary unit like dollar or yen or ruble, you open the door to debasement. If the monetary unit is an ounce of silver, it always REMAINS an ounce of silver (or at least has a better chance of it). But if the monetary unit is the "dollar", even if the dollar starts out being equated to a specific weight of a metal, then the government can begin to debase it while still calling it a dollar. And that is exactly how our dollar was destroyed. So if your goal is to introduce a new money that will be resistant to debasement, why start out calling it a dollar? Why not call it what it is - an ounce of silver (or whatever other metal appeals to you?)

Another problem inherent in the Liberty Dollar scheme is the problem of bimetalism. When you have your monetary unit pegged to two different metals, and the real exchange value of one metal rises relative to the other, Gresham's law will drive the more valuable coins off the market. This happened in the US when the dollar was pegged to both gold and silver. Having your unit of money tied to specific amounts of more than one metal is essentially an artificial price control that has the predictable effects.

If, on the other hand, you simply mint gold and silver coins in specified weights, the market will adjust their exchange value relative to each other and relative to other goods and services.

That having been said, I think the Liberty coins are beautiful, and the idea of putting gold and silver back into circulation is a noble one, and the liberty warehouse receipts were great, and anyone who can sell his gold and silver coins for a premium over spot deserves the profit, AND the federal government's actions in shutting down the business were reprehensible and I hope the Liberty Dollar people prevail and live happily ever after.
 
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