20 years ago today, FBI snipers murdered a family in Idaho. Remember Ruby Ridge.

Yeah,I had Waco-Rules Of Engagement plus the follow up one by the same people on VHS.
I might still have them somewhere,but I no longer have a VHS player.
 
dannno said:
Didn't they shoot the mother or someone inside the house right in the head while they were holding the baby?
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"As the 16-year-old closed in, her mother, Vicki, opened the cabin door and stood behind it, holding Sara Weaver's 10-month-old sister in her arms. Just then, a sniper's bullet struck her mother in the head, killing her."
 
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Danke said:
"As the 16-year-old closed in, her mother, Vicki, opened the cabin door and stood behind it, holding Sara Weaver's 10-month-old sister in her arms. Just then, a sniper's bullet struck her mother in the head, killing her."
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Travlyr said:
Yes, she was going to go inside and cook dinner for her family if they hadn't killed her & her 14 year old son first.
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War on Us.
 
There were seven people and a dog there,they shot four people,killing two and killed the dog.
They shot Mrs.Weaver in the head,killing her,while she held her ten month old baby in her arms.
 
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Anti Federalist said:
At this point I'm tempted to say "bring it".

Right now, we're two kids on the playground pushing each other around.

It won't come to a fight, because one side is scared and the other is glad for it.

So here we sit, kicking dirt and talking trash.

But this constant low level nagging and frog boiling is getting tiresome.
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I don't want it,, I really don't. I have a pretty good Idea just how messed up it will become,,and a lot of good people will die along with a bunch of scumbags.
I don't want to see it at all,, nor to I want to live in a totalitarian Police State as a slave.
So there we are.
I won't start it,, but am pretty sure it's coming.
I do at least know what side I'm on.
 
pcosmar said:
I don't want it,, I really don't. I have a pretty good Idea just how messed up it will become,,and a lot of good people will die along with a bunch of scumbags.
I don't want to see it at all,, nor to I want to live in a totalitarian Police State as a slave.
So there we are.
I won't start it,, but am pretty sure it's coming.
I do at least know what side I'm on.
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It's inevitable, and their choices beginning with Lincoln's unbreakable union, have all been leading to that point
 
Anti Federalist said:
At this point I'm tempted to say "bring it".

Right now, we're two kids on the playground pushing each other around.
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lol. I'd say it's more like a gangfight staredown. Gang number 1 has a group of gangleaders who are a bit unsure of their gang loyalty. Gang number 2 has no leader, no objectives, and just wants to be left alone. So #2 isn't sure who will show up when or where.

Gang #1 bears very little risk. They are the richest of the rich. It will be their low paid security guards and useful idiots that die.

Gang #2 are people trying to live their lives, have responsibilities to children and family, etc.

Gang #1 is assembled and prepared.

Gang #2 is disjointed, uncommitted, unsure.

Some people belong to both gangs, but Gang #1 does not have any idea how many. Gang #2 overestimates how many belong to both.

Gang #1 derives "legitimacy" from lies. Gang #2 derives "legitimacy" from knowledge most people either don't understand, or don't care to.

Who wins? How? On what timeline?
 
pcosmar said:
I don't want it, I really don't.
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Nope neither do I.

But then again, I don't want root canals or income tax returns. Yet, they are but a few of the uncomfortable and unpleasant tasks that must be done.

I'm a firm follower of "give me the bad news first" so I can deal with it and get it out of the way.

I won't start it,, but am pretty sure it's coming.
I do at least know what side I'm on.
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Nor will I.

I think so too.

So will I.
 
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I just want to say, next time those bastards try this bullshit anywhere in the world, they will get a mouthful of lead. The spirit of the people cannot be broken~!





That is all.
 
Lessons from Ruby Ridge
http://blog.independent.org/2012/08/22/lessons-from-ruby-ridge/

Some look at this incident as a sign of the modern dangers of anti-government paranoia, but this is an obscene interpretation of the facts. If anything, this is an example of the government’s paranoia run amok.

Consider:
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4. This atrocity occurred under George H.W. Bush. This is often forgotten by conservatives who see Ruby Ridge and Waco as two black marks against Clintonian rule. But Clinton would not even be elected for more than two months after the killings. On the other hand, left-liberals often forget that this was not some case of the reasonable liberal Democrat’s government defending society against rightwing crazies. If you think there’s anything wrong with the police state built by President Bush after 9/11, you should also keep in mind the federal horrors unleashed by his father.

What this last point really shows, however, is the bipartisan nature of out-of-control federal law enforcement. Ruby Ridge occurred under Bush I but the Clinton government conducted the whitewash. The planning for the Waco raid began under Bush I but was undertaken by Clinton and ultimately whitewashed by a Republican Congress. Ruby Ridge and all that has followed it—Waco, Clinton’s expansion of the drug war, Bush II’s abuses of human rights in the war on terror, Obama’s solidification and expansion of these authoritarian powers crafted by his predecessors—demonstrate that the issue is not the left vs. right, but the militarized central state vs. individual life and liberty.
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That deserves bigger and bolder and one minor correction:



What this last point really shows, however, is the bipartisan nature of out-of-control federal law enforcement. Ruby Ridge occurred under Bush I but the Clinton government conducted the whitewash. The planning for the Waco raid began under Bush I but was undertaken by Clinton and ultimately whitewashed by a Republican Congress. Ruby Ridge and all that has followed it—Waco, Clinton’s expansion of the drug war, Bush II’s abuses of human rights in the war on terror, Obama’s solidification and expansion of these authoritarian powers crafted by his predecessors—demonstrate that the issue is not the left vs. right, but the militarized central state vs. individual life and liberty.
 
Anti Federalist said:
That deserves bigger and bolder and one minor correction:



What this last point really shows, however, is the bipartisan nature of out-of-control federal law enforcement. Ruby Ridge occurred under Bush I but the Clinton government conducted the whitewash. The planning for the Waco raid began under Bush I but was undertaken by Clinton and ultimately whitewashed by a Republican Congress. Ruby Ridge and all that has followed it—Waco, Clinton’s expansion of the drug war, Bush II’s abuses of human rights in the war on terror, Obama’s solidification and expansion of these authoritarian powers crafted by his predecessors—demonstrate that the issue is not the left vs. right, but the militarized central state vs. individual life and liberty.
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Hey, are you suffering from SPS(Sluggishly progressing schizophrenia)?
 
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