2-year-old finds gun, accidentally shoots and kills self

[qh4dotcom]

http://www.whas11.com/news/Ashland-...ots-and-kills-himself-Saturday-122419064.html

 

[pcosmar]

Sad
Stupid and sad.

 

[AFPVet]

It's called negligence when a parent leaves a firearm out where a kid can reach it. That sucks.

 

[Travlyr]

Very sad.

Back when the world was free you could take your gun to school to learn how to use it. Parents around the globe should be taught that you cannot have a bullet in the chamber around toddlers.

Education, not schooling, is the key to correcting these mistakes.

 

[AFPVet]

Very sad.

Back when the world was free you could take your gun to school to learn how to use it. Parents around the globe should be taught that you cannot have a bullet in the chamber around toddlers.

Education, not schooling, is the key to correcting these mistakes.

I personally lock mine up when kids are around. They have those new fancy safes too which allow you to retrieve it but still have the security.

 

[Travlyr]

I personally lock mine up when kids are around. They have those new fancy safes too which allow you to retrieve it but still have the security.

I did too, and I took my kids shooting when they were young. They enjoyed it, and they learned at an early age to check the chamber first ... before handling it. I taught them, "I didn't know it was loaded, is not a valid excuse."

 

[qh4dotcom]

It's called negligence when a parent leaves a firearm out where a kid can reach it. That sucks.

Well believe it or not there are folks in this forum who are such avid supporters of the second amendment that they think children have the right to bear arms.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...hild-have-2nd-amendment-rights&highlight=year

 

[pcosmar]

Sad
Stupid and sad.

I am having a hard time grasping this. Was this an incredibly strong child. or was the gun left there Loaded and Cocked and with the safety off? (I am well aware of the mechanical functions of most guns) Did this kid have large hands?
did it have a hair trigger as well?

Or did it happen this way at all? Not much info in the reported story.

 

[pcosmar]

http://www.whas11.com/news/Ashland-...ots-and-kills-himself-Saturday-122419064.html

And in other news on the same page,
2 yr old found in Pool
http://www.whas11.com/video?id=122869304&sec=553467

or if the headline had been written the same way.
2-year-old finds pool, accidentally drowns and kills self

 

[Pericles]

Well believe it or not there are folks in this forum who are such avid supporters of the second amendment that they think children have the right to bear arms.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...hild-have-2nd-amendment-rights&highlight=year

And there are even members of this form that kids should have some free speech, privacy, and other rights that the government can not impose upon either.

 

[RM918]

A tragedy, but one born of negligence and not to be blamed on objects but those responsible for them. Who's fault is it if you leave an open jug of anti-freeze out around kids?

 

[pcosmar]

A tragedy, but one born of negligence and not to be blamed on objects but those responsible for them. Who's fault is it if you leave an open jug of anti-freeze out around kids?

I was wondering what the point of this thread was.

Was it to provoke some negative emotional response?

kids dying is always tragic.
But why post this one and not the one on the same page about a 2 yr old dying in a Pool?
Far more children drown than are shot. (100 to 1, by some sources)
Auto accidents cause far more deaths than guns total. (And some of those are self defense and LE related)

So what WAS the point of this thread?

 

[squarepusher]

Don't pools require some sort of safety fencing and gating ? In California they do.

 

[trey4sports]

And in other news on the same page,
2 yr old found in Pool
http://www.whas11.com/video?id=122869304&sec=553467

or if the headline had been written the same way.
2-year-old finds pool, accidentally drowns and kills self

Outlaw pools!

 

[pcosmar]

I was wondering what the point of this thread was.

Don't pools require some sort of safety fencing and gating ? In California they do.

Was that intended to be an answer to my question?

Apparently I miss your point, or you missed mine.

 

[MelissaWV]

Safety fencing and gating should be a requirement of private insurance companies, as they already are. Children can literally drown in a couple of inches of water. They can drown in a puddle. They can drown in a koi pond. They can drown in a bucket. They can drown, and way more often do, in a bathtub or toilet or sink.

* * *

Children can also:

* stab themselves with scissors, kitchen knives, pens, pencils, nails, screws, knitting needles, sewing needles, safety pins (the worst-named thing ever), straight pins, push pins, forks...
* slip and fall and hit their heads, fall down stairs
* choke on just about anything left nearby that fits through a toilet paper roll tube
* hang themselves in various situations on those swings, bouncy play things, or even just clothing

They can and will get into things without supervision, and even sometimes WITH supervision around. You have to parent. Even then, tragic things will happen, and it's an awful thing for everyone involved. I don't think the parent here is going to use this as a platform for their rights. I think they are going to feel stupid and shitty for quite some time if this story is even remotely close to being true as published.

To get back to laws, there are not gate safety laws that require a gate closing off the stairs. It is a "concern" that can be talked about if you're already in the system, but there are not random gate checks. You are not even asked about it on your homeowner's insurance. It's up to you to know that you should prevent very small-yet-mobile children from tumbling down the stairs. Strangely, babies themselves help out with this because they are awfully careful with stairs but the point is that it's pretty dangerous stuff, yet we do not cry out for mandating it when a child does manage to fall down the stairs.

 

[Verrater]

I have owned and used firearms since about 7-8.
It's about teaching personal responsibility and having it yourself. You can't legislate responsibility.

Making gun locks mandatory or pool fences isn't going to prevent accidents when the child's parents are inherently negligent.

 

[Danke]

It is time to ban these menacing devices. Think of the children!

 

[ItsTime]

Clearly it is time to ban children.

Safety fencing and gating should be a requirement of private insurance companies, as they already are. Children can literally drown in a couple of inches of water. They can drown in a puddle. They can drown in a koi pond. They can drown in a bucket. They can drown, and way more often do, in a bathtub or toilet or sink.

* * *

Children can also:

* stab themselves with scissors, kitchen knives, pens, pencils, nails, screws, knitting needles, sewing needles, safety pins (the worst-named thing ever), straight pins, push pins, forks...
* slip and fall and hit their heads, fall down stairs
* choke on just about anything left nearby that fits through a toilet paper roll tube
* hang themselves in various situations on those swings, bouncy play things, or even just clothing

They can and will get into things without supervision, and even sometimes WITH supervision around. You have to parent. Even then, tragic things will happen, and it's an awful thing for everyone involved. I don't think the parent here is going to use this as a platform for their rights. I think they are going to feel stupid and shitty for quite some time if this story is even remotely close to being true as published.

To get back to laws, there are not gate safety laws that require a gate closing off the stairs. It is a "concern" that can be talked about if you're already in the system, but there are not random gate checks. You are not even asked about it on your homeowner's insurance. It's up to you to know that you should prevent very small-yet-mobile children from tumbling down the stairs. Strangely, babies themselves help out with this because they are awfully careful with stairs but the point is that it's pretty dangerous stuff, yet we do not cry out for mandating it when a child does manage to fall down the stairs.

 

[AJ187]

You could never teach kids that fire is hot and that knives can cut if you kept those things from them. I don't understand why we do that with kids. My six year old niece was mature enough (I felt) to take shooting and she had a great time, learning a lot. She now has more experience and respect for a common tool that she could interact with in society. While the other kids point fingers at each other and make bang noises, she knows if she ever did that with a real gun, there would be consequences.