2 Ways of thinking about Rand Paul's endorsement

[randpaul2016]

1. He completely sold out, everyone hates him. He destroyed the R3VOLUTION and the liberty movement because he joined with the elite.

2. Hes a Ruplican politican that endorsed the Nominee and did what he had to go to get up on the political ladder.



Sometimes I will be fine, not mad at him etc. but then I would think about option #1 and get pissed

 

[nobody's_hero]

I don't know. The way I see it is that when you stand on principle, you're already at the top of the ladder. Stuff like this knocks you down a few rungs.

The credibily of this movement will grow regardless, if we choose not to endorse status quo candidates. I say we might as well save on soap and keep our hands clean. The long-term payoff will be much greater.

Then you also have to consider who we are trying to get the support of. If someone wants me to change what I truly believe in order to get their support, I say, F' their support, I don't need nor want it. Nor would they probably want me to represent them if they began to suspect that I did not truly believe what I was telling them (just to win their support), so no one wins in that case.

As to the broader picture, of politics and perception in general,

I can talk about the virtues of democrats and most people won't listen, because they'll think I'm full of crap. I could talk about the virtues of republicans and most people won't listen, because they'll think i'm full of crap. —Because out there, outside of the two-party establishment, out there, exists a world where people hate both sides, but aren't very vocal about it. It is THOSE people I want to gain the support of (they are, by far, potentially, the largest political force that isn't . . . yet), because I too am fed up with the system and wouldn't have to change one thing I believe about the system in order to find agreement with them. To pick a side now would blow every shred of credibility with them, that I have mustered thus far.

I don't think that people take the time to consider their own personal credibity in who is watching them, whenever they so nonchalantly go along with supporting candidate so-and-so.

Who is watching you, R3volution?

Take time to think about how your actions will reflect what you have gained in the eyes of the apathetic, the disheartened, and the frustrated. Will you be another rock that will not budge when the river flows over you? Or will you go along to get along, proving yourselves in the eyes of the spectators to simply be another chapter in the story of those who fought against it all, only to become it all—same as the rest?

 

[jj-]

2. Hes a Ruplican politican that endorsed the Nominee and did what he had to go to get up on the political ladder.

I didn't know the convention occurred already.

 

[randpaul2016]

 

[randpaul2016]

2 (revised). Ron Pauls movement tried to take over the Republican Party, but the opposite is occuring

 

[TIMB0B]

I think it was done to get Romney supporters to warm up to Ron Paul over the summer, because Dr. Paul is going to win in Tampa and will need them in the general election. Planting a seed.

 

[Okie RP fan]

People, please stop. While I think speculating is good, and the need for questioning the principles the Paul's have stood for and the timing of the endorsement is necessary at this point, I ask all of us to remain TOGETHER.

We are beginning to see the fabric tear apart. However, we can sew it back before it is too late.

Let Rand's endorsement play itself out, there is nothing else we can do. Just remain calm and vigilant, and let's trust each other. Remember, this revolution is much larger than any one person. Buck up and realize that.

 

[dancjm]

Another way of looking at it is:

We now have a Paul in both camps of the Republican Party.

 

[randpaul2016]

People, please stop. While I think speculating is good, and the need for questioning the principles the Paul's have stood for and the timing of the endorsement is necessary at this point, I ask all of us to remain TOGETHER.

We are beginning to see the fabric tear apart. However, we can sew it back before it is too late.

Let Rand's endorsement play itself out, there is nothing else we can do. Just remain calm and vigilant, and let's trust each other. Remember, this revolution is much larger than any one person. Buck up and realize that.

yes good post

 

[neverseen]

Anyone want to borrow my copy of the Art or War? He's just doing what's needed to get to the top. Just like Obama did. Do you think if Obama ran with the slogan "More socialist than hitler" he would be president right now?

 

[nobody's_hero]

Do you think if Obama ran with the slogan "More socialist than hitler" he would be president right now?

You know, I'm scared to answer that question honestly. But given the sad state of politics . . .

 

[unknown]

Does anyone here really believe that the "apple falls that far from the tree"?

We know what this is about. He's makin nice with the Party bosses to ensure a future so that we have at-least ONE person on our side.

Come on people, give the guy some credit.

 

[cheapseats]

...I can talk about the virtues of democrats and most people won't listen, because they'll think I'm full of crap. I could talk about the virtues of republicans and most people won't listen, because they'll think i'm full of crap. —Because out there, outside of the two-party establishment, out there, exists a world where people hate both sides, but aren't very vocal about it. It is THOSE people I want to gain the support of (they are, by far, potentially, the largest political force that isn't . . . yet), because I too am fed up with the system and wouldn't have to change one thing I believe about the system in order to find agreement with them. To pick a side now would blow every shred of credibility with them, that I have mustered thus far.

Forty percent of Americans now identify as "Independent", and a whopping FIFTY PERCENT doesn't vote at all.

That's a big pool of Voters and, to mix metaphors, it needs a Big Tent.

I don't think that people take the time to consider their own personal credibity in who is watching them, whenever they so nonchalantly go along with supporting candidate so-and-so.

In my travels, ONLY PARTY LOYALISTS don't heap contempt on the two par-taaays.

Hands-down, the commonest refrain I hear is (and I DO quote): "They're all a buncha crooks." If I had a thousand bucks for every time I've heard that, I'd be a fucking MILLIONAIRE.

Who is watching you, R3volution?

God (for Believers), Posterity and Partisan Power Mongers.

Take time to think about how your actions will reflect what you have gained in the eyes of the apathetic, the disheartened, and the frustrated. Will you be another rock that will not budge when the river flows over you? Or will you go along to get along, proving yourselves in the eyes of the spectators to simply be another chapter in the story of those who fought against it all, only to become it all—same as the rest?

Tale as old as time.

WORK WITHIN THE BROKEN SYSTEM TO TAKEOVER THE CORRUPT GOP people should watch "The Last King of Scotland" about Idi Amin.

 

[randpaul2016]

Anyone want to borrow my copy of the Art or War? He's just doing what's needed to get to the top. Just like Obama did. Do you think if Obama ran with the slogan "More socialist than hitler" he would be president right now?

you see the pattern there?

Does anyone here really believe that the "apple falls that far from the tree"?

We know what this is about. He's makin nice with the Party bosses to ensure a future so that we have at-least ONE person on our side.

Come on people, give the guy some credit.

yea we have to stay positive

 

[nobody's_hero]

Tale as old as time.

WORK WITHIN THE BROKEN SYSTEM TO TAKEOVER THE CORRUPT GOP people should watch "The Last King of Scotland" about Idi Amin.

Been a while since I've seen that one, I can't remember much about it.

The more I see how, not only those in the GOP respond to us, but those in the democratic party trenches as well, the more I begin to realize that the 4/10 people who pass you on the street who couldn't give a **** about politics and don't vote, have a much closer shot at saving this country than those who have been involved their entire lives. But I believe that they are watching us. The quickest way to get them to stop watching is to become meshed into the folds of the GOP. "Oh, another "tea party"". A bunch of people who angrily opposed the establishment only to walk so far away in one direction that they arrived exactly back where they were.

As for those who aren't involved, an old quote comes to mind:

"A man who knows nothing is closer to the truth than a man whose head is filled with falsehoods and lies."

 

[vita3]

The way I see it is Rand is a very ambitous person that loves the good life. Nothing wrong with that. As soon as he voted for the Iran financial sanctions I drew a distinct line of difference between himself & his Dad.

Ending the on-going endless war is a huge issue for me & I know Romney will be worse than Obama.

Lots of people in the tea party tent are really pro-war & they can side w/ Rand & Mitt.

& a lot are aiming for peace & we will rally behind someone other than the R & D party.

 

[Eroberer]

Maybe it's as simple as this: Rand shows loyalty to the Republican party by supporting Romney. This removes some doubt about where he stands and lessens the damage that may occur by Ron Paul doing something that would potentially anger the Republican party. I don't think that Ron will run third party for the many good reasons discussed on this forum, but this would leave the door open without taking Rand down as well if that were to be the plan.

 

[P3ter_Griffin]

Does anyone here really believe that the "apple falls that far from the tree"?

We know what this is about. He's makin nice with the Party bosses to ensure a future so that we have at-least ONE person on our side.

Come on people, give the guy some credit.

How can someone make nice with the party bosses at the same time be on our side? If he truly believes in the message his father is conveying, and it is the reason he is participating in politics, then it is just an eventuality before he has to fight the MSM and GOP like Ron is having to now. Why not take a stand now while Ron is doing so well? He needs to reveal his true colors, if endorsing Romney wasn't his true colors, because no one can see inside his head. Giving him a pass because of who his father is is incompatible with my distrust for politicians.

 

[nobody's_hero]

Maybe it's as simple as this: Rand shows loyalty to the Republican party by supporting Romney. This removes some doubt about where he stands and lessens the damage that may occur by Ron Paul doing something that would potentially anger the Republican party. I don't think that Ron will run third party for the many good reasons discussed on this forum, but this would leave the door open without taking Rand down as well if that were to be the plan.

Well, we wouldn't want to make Republicans angry, now would we? Nevermind the fact that they're already angry at us, shown more aggression, hostility, and in some cases completely unwarranted acts of violence towards us than even the democrats, whose political platform does not even bother to conceal the use of government force to enforce its aims. Republicans should be ashamed of themselves, long before they bother to share their opinions on the liberty movement.

And it'll be a cold day in hell before I ever again give two sh*ts about what they think of me.

I'll be glad when the day comes that both these parties are completely irrelevant, for all the suffering they've inflicted on this country and freedom-loving people.

I don't want to build any more bridges with the GOP. They had bridges and they burned them from their end when they had the chance. Soon they'll return once they realize they needed us, only to find that the river has been widened and filled with pitch, ready to be set ablaze by my burning arrows. If they want my vote they can swim across it. It's about time they learned what it means to fight for something.

 

[Guzabuza]

Some of you people are really tick headed (no offense). There is a reason why politics is called politics. If you want Rand taking the spot in 2016 as he should HE NEEDS to play games with the GOP. What is the smarter choice ? Say F*** Romney and then have the RNC and the media do the same thing to him in 2016 as they did to RP? OR infiltrate those m-f***ers and when the time is ripe you attack!

Rand Paul has backed everything his father stands for. Regarding this: "As soon as he voted for the Iran financial sanctions I drew a distinct line of difference between himself & his Dad."

If he would have voted agaisnt it he would have been the only one agaisnt that and he would have been out casted on the spot. What you forgot to mention, is that he was the only senator that stopped a new Iran bill that opens up the door to a possible war with Iran. "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYn_4tSrD1s"

HE IS PLAYING THERE GAME, he is using the system agaisnt them. That is why he is a REAL politician. There has never been a politician that drives on a straight line all the way. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE. That is why Ron was an outcast because he would not divert or turn sometimes left or right on that line.

I believe that Rand and Ron talked about this issue and came to the conclusion that if the liberty movement wants to take over when the economy needs it as most then it is 2016 NOT 2012. If Rand want to be the president in 2016 he needs to play politics AND MAKE ALLIES. Ron Paul had almost 0 allies in congress or the senate.

Also what most of you also don't get or what is not discussed on these boards, do you really, and i mean really want to have Ron Paul that represents libertarian and free market economics take over at the PEAK of the stock market and at a PEAK in bond prices ?? For you that don't understand, Ron Paul would be at the wheel when the economy crashes, and there is no policy he could enact to turn the course.

Let Mittens or Obama be at the helm when this whole house of cards collapses (and it most) then the liberty movement shall come in and take over. For jesus sake, libertarianism would be lynched if Ron Paul denied the economy more stimulus and made it go cold turkey after 40 years of spending.