1984, Animal Farm e-books just got digitally burned

Sandman33 said:
Why would you buy an E book anyway? Thats retarded. It can be deleted by accident or THIS weird copywright thing could happen. Your cpu could get hacked or your hard drive could crash. etc.

Plus if the shit hits the fan and theres no power....you cant read it.

I'd download a book for free but if I'm buying a book I want paper.
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I'm guessing you're not a fan of that whole itunes craze?
 
WRITE AMAZON! - Tell them how pissed of you are!

Tell them to reverse this decision or never see your business again!

-t
 
Ok, been seeing a lot of hubbub about this. here's what happened.

Copyright varies across the world, in some countries these books are in the Public Domain. Someone in one of those countries uploaded a public domain work and sold it online. (completely legal).

problem is, here in the US, they are not public domain so it is a violation of copyright. People who purchased the books from the actual publisher didn't have their copies removed and their money refunded, the copies that were deleted were those that were purchased from someone in another country pretending to be authorized to sell them in the US

Amazon is protecting itself from potential suit as this could be seen as enabling copyright infringment.

Having said that, I will never buy a kindle, or an I-Pod, or anything else where the companies have the ability to remove things I've paid for.
 
Sandman33 said:
Why would you buy an E book anyway? Thats retarded. It can be deleted by accident or THIS weird copywright thing could happen. Your cpu could get hacked or your hard drive could crash. etc.

Plus if the shit hits the fan and theres no power....you cant read it.

I'd download a book for free but if I'm buying a book I want paper.
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All of your purchases are saved at Amazon's website, so if your Kindle were to crash, you could re-download all of your purchases after the unit is repaired or replaced, IIRC. I believe the Kindle also connects to some type of wireless network similar to EV-DO, as well as wi-fi, but I might be wrong about that.

It doesn't require much power. I imagine a tiny solar kit would work.
 
A Kindle is a feel-good leftist yuppie product. No trees were killed in the making of this book.
Like driving a hybrid suv. Lame, very very lame.
 
P.S. If you think the Amazon is heavy handedd, better take a look at what Apple is pumping out.
 
Kade said:
Shouldn't that be at the discretion of the buyer?

This is equivalent to buying a movie at Best Buy, and then having them come into your house and take your copy, and leaving a charge receipt on your table.

If I want a refund, I will return my product back to them.
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Exactly. "Fair value" doesn't matter here, because as Conza would say, "value is subjective." If you previously agreed to exchange your money for the book and Amazon agreed, then clearly you valued the book more highly than the money, and clearly Amazon valued the money more highly than the book. It was a fair trade because both sides obtained what they wanted...and it's not Amazon's place to go back and unilaterally cancel that trade without your consent.

Furthermore, this highlights the dangers of buying into technologies that the consumer has no control over: If something like the Kindle were ever to literally replace physical books (say 100 years from now), censors could easily silence entire publishings. Thankfully that will never happen without the government taking control of the publishing industry or mandating that all books be digital and centrally controlled, since there's a high enough demand for real books...but it goes to show why the "real thing" is so superior.
 
Your rights under this Agreement will automatically terminate without notice from Amazon if you fail to comply with any term of this Agreement. In case of such termination, you must cease all use of the Software and Amazon may immediately revoke your access to the Service or to Digital Content without notice to you and without refund of any fees.

Amazon, Kindle Terms of Service
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You may not sell, rent, lease, distribute, broadcast, sublicense or otherwise assign any rights to the Digital Content or any portion of it to any third party, and you may not remove any proprietary notices or labels on the Digital Content. In addition, you may not, and you will not encourage, assist or authorize any other person to, bypass, modify, defeat or circumvent security features that protect the Digital Content.

Amazon, Kindle Terms of Service, 2007
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Read the EULA
It will save you from wasting your money.

Also related
http://www.teleread.org/2009/07/06/...y-doctorows-pesky-questions-about-the-kindle/
 
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Dude we read Animal Farm in 10th grade and for 11th grade this year we are reading 1984... I CANT WAIT
 
A lawyer points out that Amazon just breached their contract with Kindle owners:

http://www.technicallylegal.org/amazon-breaches-kindle-user-contracts/

Amazon Breaches Kindle User Contracts July 17, 2009

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Amazon recently deleted copies of 1984 by George Orwell from both Kindles and the Kindle store.

The Kindle User License Agreement clearly states:

Upon your payment of the applicable fees set by Amazon, Amazon grants you the non-exclusive right to keep a permanent copy of the applicable Digital Content and to view, use, and display such Digital Content an unlimited number of times, solely on the Device. . .

So Amazon is pretty clearly in breach of their contract to Kindle users who purchased the book, as Amazon did not allow them to keep a permanent copy of the book on their device.
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I'll buy a Kindle just as soon as they become PDF friendly.

It's a really neat technology that's still in it's awkward (and expensive) stage.
 
I'd like to see them try to delete our copies of Atlas Shrugged. You know, the ones we've laser-engraved on 1,096 fine gold plates and burried in our backyards of course.
 
The Cybook Gen3 and Sony Reader PRS-505/700 are much better than the Kindle simply because of the formats they support. With either you can go to stores that sell non-DRM books that cannot be forcibly deleted from your reader. Kindle is just a crappy example of the usage of ebook technology.
 
This is why I believe in using things that only have open hardware that is at my discretion. Though I don't like this being done I see nothing wrong with it.
 
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