#126 - Bob Barr wins Nominations

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Hey Everybody,

Bob Barr is officially the Libertarian Nominee for president. People have had many criticisms of Bob Barr and his vote for the patriot act and his former support of the drug war. I do believe the guy has changes sincerely for the better and is probably the best viable option for a general election vote.

To be fair, have you ever changed your thoughts on policy, how many of us were collectivists of some sort before Ron Paul, or if your older, Barry Goldwater showed you an alternative? Bob Barr made his mistakes but his his pros in his career definetley outweigh the cons and our other options.

Bottom Line: He's no Ron Paul, but who is? I don't think we can look to even those within our ranks who are running for office and say anyone has had as much integrity and focus as the life of Ron Paul.

Again, let's not lose sight of what the goal is here, not to have society of perfect never been wrong liberty minded elitist but to actually strive to change the heart and minds of the nation and effect policy in way that fixes fundamental questions such as:

- The role of government the manipulation of economics forces

- the role of government in the internal affairs of others nations

- The role of government in peoples personal behavior

- The role of Government in peoples personal property

this is the focus of this entire movement, let's not lose sight of our ability to consolidate and follow a point. I will always listen to what Ron Paul has to say cause I trust him, but I can trust Barr enough to vote for him in the general election.

While I plan to continue on in the reforming the republican party, for the general election I will endorse Bob Barr as fairly better choice than what we've had even in a libertarian candidate since well... Ron Paul.

- Alex Merced
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Bob Barr has had his chance to build an honorable voting record and he chose to fight the War on Drugs and endorse the Pat Act. I don't care what he says now, I don't trust him!

I was actually considering changing to the Lib Party...:rolleyes: Not now!
 
I understand his votes for the Patriot Act and his support for the War on Drugs but he has claimed to have changed his stance since then. Like Alex said, He's no Ron Paul, but who is? I trust Barr far more than I trust Obama or McCain, thats for damn sure. I will support Barr/Root this fall. Currently he is the most viable candidate out there. CP is too socially conservative and has even less ballot access than the LP.
 
Printo said:
I understand his votes for the Patriot Act and his support for the War on Drugs but he has claimed to have changed his stance since then. .
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If McCain comes out for the gold standard are you going to vote for him because he claimed to have seen the golden light? Barr was willing to say or do anything just to have a chance to pick up some of the Ron Paul spotlight. The problem is the spotlight is fixated on the star (Ron Paul). Ron puts his money where his mouth is. He doesn't claim to have "changed". His votes back up his politics. Barr is like every other politician, votes don't match the words coming from their mouth.

There is only one candidate!
RON PAUL
 
TruthisTreason said:
If McCain comes out for the gold standard are you going to vote for him because he claimed to have seen the golden light? Barr was willing to say or do anything just to have a chance to pick up some of the Ron Paul spotlight. The problem is the spotlight is fixated on the star (Ron Paul). Ron puts his money where his mouth is. He doesn't claim to have "changed". His votes back up his politics. Barr is like every other politician, votes don't match the words coming from their mouth.

There is only one candidate!
RON PAUL
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Bob Barr is surrounded by long time Libertarians. Picture a dog on a leash.
Write in Ron Paul. You'll really make a difference.
Just to let you know.. Ron Paul is a rarity. If he is the standard by which to judge all future candidates, there will be almost nil to vote for...
Well, i guess you could just write in Ron Paul on every ballot. That will show those collectivist we are a real threat. A house divided.
 
There is a bigger war going on here.. and the people calling the LP sellouts are shooting their own team.
You want to see how fast this movement self-destructs. Keep it up. You'll get your wish soon enough.
 
torchbearer said:
There is a bigger war going on here.. and the people calling the LP sellouts are shooting their own team.
You want to see how fast this movement self-destructs. Keep it up. You'll get your wish soon enough.
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This man speaks the truth. So many people on these boards are going at each other like dogs at Michael Vick's house. "Write in Ron Paul! No, vote Bob Barr. No vote Chuck Baldwin. Don't vote at all!"

People on this board are treating their own worse than McCain or Obama supporters. Ron Paul is one of kind, we all understand that & we would all vote for him if he were running 3rd party, but he's not. If the Revolution is to continue on, we cannot destroy ourselves, which is exactly what is happening with they way people are treating each other because of what they're going to do this fall.

Lets treat each other like human beings. Also, if you want to attract McCain/Obama supporters, you're best bet is being kind rather than calling them idiots and ridiculing them for everything. You'll attract more bees with honey than you will with vinegar.
 
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I read somewhere in the blogs that there is a debate in the LP about including libertarian conservatives or conservative libertarians (like Bob Barr) in its party.

The conclusion of the piece was that the LP needs both kinds of people and Bob Barr is the best hope to thrust the LP into the mainstream debate.

Goldwater was at best a conservative libertarian (being a supporter of aggressive foreign policy and other non-libertarian ideals). Yet we see what a great impact the Goldwater candidacy was for establishing the philosophical and organization base to push another conservative libertarian in Ronald Reagan (its the only modern example I have to go on so no Reagan comments lets stick to the subject).
 
In the old days, the debate in the Libertarian Party was between the anarchists and the minarchists.

Now it's between the minarchists, Republican-lite candidates and Democratic-collectivists.

The party has certainly come of age. But I don't get the concept of nominating a Bob Barr in the Libertarian Party. If the party was going to do that, why not just nominate Fred Thompson/Giuliani for the ticket. Hey, it would get lots of press and they'd be sure to be included in the debates. How do I know? Because they never had any support in the R party and they were included in all the debates.
 
I will take Bob Barr at his word that he will make the most impact the LP has ever made on the general election.

As for BKom's comments, I assume the LP wants to expand its base and do their best to contest the presidential election.

If we are to be serious about staging this r3volution then we have to be prepared to work with those who have not worked with us in the past. Division is not a good policy, but consolidation and maturity are what we must focus on now.
 
TruthisTreason said:
If McCain comes out for the gold standard are you going to vote for him because he claimed to have seen the golden light? Barr was willing to say or do anything just to have a chance to pick up some of the Ron Paul spotlight. The problem is the spotlight is fixated on the star (Ron Paul). Ron puts his money where his mouth is. He doesn't claim to have "changed". His votes back up his politics. Barr is like every other politician, votes don't match the words coming from their mouth.

There is only one candidate!
RON PAUL
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even Ron Paul changed his views on the death penalty, I mean if Mccain did make those changes I'd have evaluate the larger context

The larger context tell me I can trust Barr, you have to be able to evaluate the larger picture.

Again, if we become elitist idealist, we'll achieve nothing. Barr is pretty feaking close to where we'd want someone on all issues, I rather he have a good showing which will put pressure on the big to embrace libertarian view abit more.
 
Amen to that! Good way to put it. Now....

What do we do now? Continue in the GOP (for some of us) or jump ship and back Barr now or even do both (if that is possible). Any ideas?

(I am going to start wearing Goldwater buttons and shirts from now on...at least at all GOP functions (except McCain functions which I will generally try to avoid.)
 
hroos said:
Amen to that! Good way to put it. Now....

What do we do now? Continue in the GOP (for some of us) or jump ship and back Barr now or even do both (if that is possible). Any ideas?

(I am going to start wearing Goldwater buttons and shirts from now on...at least at all GOP functions (except McCain functions which I will generally try to avoid.)
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You can back barr without registering in the LP.
You can stay in the GOP and support Barr.
Same things are needed, donations, volunteers... vote..etc...
All of that can be done without changing your party registration.
You can still work within the GOP, especially locally, and support Barr.
No compromise is needed.
 
AlexMerced said:
even Ron Paul changed his views on the death penalty, I mean if Mccain did make those changes I'd have evaluate the larger context

The larger context tell me I can trust Barr, you have to be able to evaluate the larger picture.

Again, if we become elitist idealist, we'll achieve nothing. Barr is pretty feaking close to where we'd want someone on all issues, I rather he have a good showing which will put pressure on the big to embrace libertarian view abit more.
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Yeah theres sticking to your guns and then theres being flat out obstinate. Barr is saying most of the right things, so i think its worth it to take him at his word. We are never going to have a full on libertarian government, the idea should be to try to approach it. The only thing shunning Barr would do is the set the party even further back from the mainstream and therefore the movement back years.
 
BKom said:
In the old days, the debate in the Libertarian Party was between the anarchists and the minarchists.

Now it's between the minarchists, Republican-lite candidates and Democratic-collectivists.

The party has certainly come of age. But I don't get the concept of nominating a Bob Barr in the Libertarian Party. If the party was going to do that, why not just nominate Fred Thompson/Giuliani for the ticket. Hey, it would get lots of press and they'd be sure to be included in the debates. How do I know? Because they never had any support in the R party and they were included in all the debates.
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Neither guiliani or thompson even approach the libertarian platform whereas at least barr is generally speaking like one.
 
crazyfingers said:
I don't know why people keep referencing Barr's "former" support for the War on Drugs, when he has recently called for expanding U.S. government intervention into South America in order to fight so-called 'narco-terrorists'.

http://www.bobbarr.org/default.asp?pt=newsdescr&RI=931

This man is not on our side, no matter how much you all want it to be so.
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He's duped all of the LP leadership and majority of LP delegates! :rolleyes:
 
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