12-year-old American Girl in S. Ossetia Coffee Shop while bombs fall, Tells her story

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EDIT:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5idQm8YyJs4
(Had to change the link, because the original video was removed for "Terms of Use Violation" - which is BS, because there's still 20 other videos that show the same thing.)

Poor girl.

Looks like the video's pretty popular.

"I want to say thank you to the Russian troops that were helping us out."
 
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This is about the third time I've seen this video posted here (not complaining, just pointing out how wide spread it already is).

This thing has some wings to it... over 77,000 views already. Check out the honors on this 2 day old video:

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Spread this video far and wide... it's another opportunity to caffeinate the sheeple.
 
i saw that LIVE on the air.... foxnews OBVIOUSLY wanted to make it look like russia was murdering american children and the guest turned it on them HARD and they tried to end the segment on her. i was dying of laughter.. as serious as the situation is, i take incredible joy in watching foxnews fail at propaganda.
 
The young lady stated that the cell phones were not working. This statement implies multiple cell phones... So, if Georgia attacked their own people, did they also shut down the cell phone network? If so, was this to prevent the truth from coming out?

Also, the way that news guy tried to play Mr. Sympathy is pathetic. I am so glad I canceled satellite years ago...

If that 'news reporter' were a real reporter, then why does he not investigate the statements made?
 
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Yes, the end of self-determination for ex-Soviet Republics and the return of Russian dominance is a good thing.:rolleyes:

I think you people would be happy to see a sovereign nation (Georgia) disappear from the face of the earth over what you think is pro-American propaganda. Cutting off your nose to spite your face is just plain stupid.

While we can debate until we're blue in the face of who attacked who, if Georgia was justified in controlling thier land, or whether that land should have had the right to secede, etc. But what it comes down to is, it is a FUCKING ethnic war with roots that go back hundreds or thousands of years!

Russia cannot control, or even cares to control, the Ossetian thugs rampaging through Georgian (yes IN GEORGIA proper) towns and cities. This is why Georgia tried to go into S. Ossetia to wipe these criminals out. And, what the hell is Russia doing INSIDE Georgia?

And while the United States should stay the hell out of it, we DO need to be vigilant against Russian aggression in the region.

Maybe instead of reading Prison Planet all day, maybe you can start doing some research on the history of Eastern Europe and Russian/Soviet aggression, REGARDLESS who was sitting in power in Moscow. Look up Forest Brothers on Wikipedia and start following links -- you'll spend a nice long weekend being horrified.
 
Yes, the end of self-determination for ex-Soviet Republics and the return of Russian dominance is a good thing.:rolleyes:

Your points are valid. Your points are beyond valid.

People are so sick of the constant and unyielding misinformation spewed by the media these days that they are starving for "the rest of the story," as Paul Harvey puts it. So, whenever they say blue, we go check. Soon their credibility will be so bad that they'll start spinning their crap the opposite way so we come to the opinion they approve of through reverse psychology. In any case, we are likely to make the case for the other side just because it pays for Americans to realize that every dispute has two sides to it--a fact the media likes to ignore.

We don't tend to believe in intervention. We tend to believe sovereign nations make mistakes, and we'd rather just deal with the mistakes we make than the mistakes every nation makes. So, we focus on the fact that we don't know the whole story, and the fact that even after working hard sifting thorught he MSM's whole output on the subject we're still ignorant.

Ya get spun and ya get dizzy. Sometimes the best cure is to spin the other way for a minute.
 
Yes, the end of self-determination for ex-Soviet Republics and the return of Russian dominance is a good thing.:rolleyes:

I think you people would be happy to see a sovereign nation (Georgia) disappear from the face of the earth over what you think is pro-American propaganda. Cutting off your nose to spite your face is just plain stupid.

While we can debate until we're blue in the face of who attacked who, if Georgia was justified in controlling thier land, or whether that land should have had the right to secede, etc. But what it comes down to is, it is a FUCKING ethnic war with roots that go back hundreds or thousands of years!

Russia cannot control, or even cares to control, the Ossetian thugs rampaging through Georgian (yes IN GEORGIA proper) towns and cities. This is why Georgia tried to go into S. Ossetia to wipe these criminals out. And, what the hell is Russia doing INSIDE Georgia?

And while the United States should stay the hell out of it, we DO need to be vigilant against Russian aggression in the region.

Maybe instead of reading Prison Planet all day, maybe you can start doing some research on the history of Eastern Europe and Russian/Soviet aggression, REGARDLESS who was sitting in power in Moscow. Look up Forest Brothers on Wikipedia and start following links -- you'll spend a nice long weekend being horrified.

Russia stepping up to stop the spread of American fascism may save us all from destruction. It is our leaders who have publicly proclaimed their intention to control the resources of that region at any cost. Russia is just letting us know that that cost may be our complete destruction.
 
Russia stepping up to stop the spread of American fascism may save us all from destruction. It is our leaders who have publicly proclaimed their intention to control the resources of that region at any cost. Russia is just letting us know that that cost may be our complete destruction.

Comments like this from Ron Paul supporters are EXACTLY why we got 5% in primaries.

So, in your view, Russian fascism is preferable to what you call "American fascism"?

Do the Georgian people not have the right to self-determination, and have the right to ally with anyone they so choose?

Georgia's president is just like Ron Paul on economic issues. He took a corruption-fueled tinpot dictatorship and made it one of the economic powers of the region in less than five years, by implementing the FREE MARKET.

I've seen such ridiculous statements like Putin is fighting the NWO on oil distribution. You do realize that he NATIONALIZED Yukos, which was one of Russia's leading oil producers, and was pumping out millions of barrels a day back in the late 90's (those few years where Russia was actually capaitalist). So, if you agree with that, you must love Chavez's threats to do the same in Venezuela.

Some of you so-called Ron Paul supporters have gone off the deep end.

This movement is about restoring Constitutional priciples to the United States, sound money, and having us take a non-interventionist (neutral) stand in world affairs. It's basically brining back the traditional Republican party. It's not about us turning our backs on evil and praising former KGB officers. Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan are turning over in their graves listening to this pro-Russia tripe come from the majority of so-called Paul supporters.
 
Where is Ron Paul in all of this? I know he is going through some tough times, but.. This is big.

Has he made a statement on the conflict?

This entire conflict seems staged to me. Especially when one considers the evidence of the Cold War itself being an agreement. In fact, all of you history buffs are probably aware of the fallacies of nearly every war. We work with all these countries who are made out to be our enemies every dozen years or so. Even with China, we gave them a *ton* of military tech. under Clinton. Why would we do that? It seems obvious. This whole thing is just downright eerie.

I don't believe any of this garbage for a second. Both sides knew what was going to happen before it happened. Well before. That much is obvious. Zbigniew Brzezinski, ahem, I mean, the Georgian President was propped up from the beginning. We've been dumping aid in their country under the guise of "Terrorism" (LOL at anybody who thinks Al Qaeda could be in Georgia) for quite some time. Our military has been training there for quite some time. Brzezinski has been grooming Saakasvili (sp?) for quite some time.

And Ron Paul's silence concerns me a great deal. I will be waiting anxiously for his opinion.
 
Maybe instead of reading Prison Planet all day, maybe you can start doing some research on the history of Eastern Europe and Russian/Soviet aggression, REGARDLESS who was sitting in power in Moscow. Look up Forest Brothers on Wikipedia and start following links -- you'll spend a nice long weekend being horrified.

Thought the video was from FoxNews...
 
And Ron Paul's silence concerns me a great deal. I will be waiting anxiously for his opinion.

I'll not be holding my breath. With a wife ill and plenty of hot air coming out of the Capitol over this matter already, he may or may not bother. One thing is certain to me--he won't be calling for intervention.

I feel for the people on the ground. I have no idea if the Georgian regime is as free market as you say. I realize that the Russians are motivated by the Georgian pipeline--it's pretty obvious that they want to control all the ways oil and natural gas get from Asia to Europe--and have aimed some serious propaganda at the Ossetians. Even so, propagandized or not, these people have a right to self-determination. On the other hand, it would seem to me that if they had the ability to travel freely, those who wished to be in Russia would be north and those who wished to be in Georgia would be south already.

Well, I too would love to hear Dr. Paul's take on it, as I think it would be educational and I'm ready for some reliable information on the situation. Nonetheless, if he finds his wife, the upcoming R4R, and the other things that are undoubtedly on his plate more important than this, I'll not blame him for prioritizing this off his menu. I think we all know the bottom line is liable to be that we have no real interests involved and no real right to jump in between these neighbors.
 
Yes, the end of self-determination for ex-Soviet Republics and the return of Russian dominance is a good thing.:rolleyes:

I think you people would be happy to see a sovereign nation (Georgia) disappear from the face of the earth over what you think is pro-American propaganda. Cutting off your nose to spite your face is just plain stupid.

Obviously you have some research to do regarding our presence in Georgia.
While we can debate until we're blue in the face of who attacked who, if Georgia was justified in controlling thier land, or whether that land should have had the right to secede, etc. But what it comes down to is, it is a FUCKING ethnic war with roots that go back hundreds or thousands of years!

First of all: there is no debate as to who started the bombing in South Ossetia. Georgia did. Even their own generals admit this.

Second: Russia clearly knew this was going to happen, we saw this in their quick response.

I don't pick either side. It's like trying to pick between in Obama or McCain - - once you think you've started to lean a certain way, everything comes up Brzezinski.

This whole conflict is straight out of the Brzezinski blueprint: use a surrogate to do your dirty work. Nobody should be surprised that Saakasvili (sp?) was groomed by Z-Big.

(NOTE: Brzezinski is Obama's Foreign Policy adviser, meanwhile, his son writes foreign policy speeches for McCain)

Russia cannot control, or even cares to control, the Ossetian thugs rampaging through Georgian (yes IN GEORGIA proper) towns and cities. This is why Georgia tried to go into S. Ossetia to wipe these criminals out.

You actually believe this nonsense? But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here and ask you for some proof.
And while the United States should stay the hell out of it, we DO need to be vigilant against Russian aggression in the region.

Yes, clearly, vigilance is needed :rolleyes:

After all, who doesn't want to piss off a country with over 10,000 nuclear weapons, right? Are you nuts?

Next thing you're going to tell me is we should sanction Russia? Or better yet, how about this whole missile shield thing, that's a great idea - right? And NATO troops, yeah, heck, use them all, Russia will back down - we have so many chips, don't we?



Maybe instead of reading Prison Planet all day, maybe you can start doing some research on the history of Eastern Europe and Russian/Soviet aggression, REGARDLESS who was sitting in power in Moscow. Look up Forest Brothers on Wikipedia and start following links -- you'll spend a nice long weekend being horrified.

I agree that Prison Planet is garbage, but clearly for different reasons than you. Alex Jones is paid disinformation. Anybody who can't see that is probably a 20-year-old boy playing on the Alex Jones dodge ball team. Ask yourself why he was paid by ABC to sell-out the Waco story. Or heck, ask yourself why GCN is an ABC affiliate. Ask yourself why Alex Jones appears on Fox News, CNN, etc. etc. Clearly they aren't afraid of him. Ask yourself why Jones tried to convince the entire state of Texas that Y2k was inevitable and they should riot, take up arms against gov't, etc. etc. He has been spewing his poisonous venom for years.

I hate to say it, but guys: we're in deep trouble. Alex Jones has it half-right (as usual) for a reason. To lead you in the wrong direction. Do your own research, come to your own conclusions.

The rich will always join with the rich to protect the rich. The masters of war are the builders of war: we're being played. There isn't always two sides to the story. Sometimes there is just one.

Peace, brothers. Sorry for the rant.
 
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Did I really just hear Dubya say, "Bullying and intimidation are not acceptable tools of diplomacy in the twenty-first century"?!
 
Comments like this from Ron Paul supporters are EXACTLY why we got 5% in primaries.

So, in your view, Russian fascism is preferable to what you call "American fascism"?

Do the Georgian people not have the right to self-determination, and have the right to ally with anyone they so choose?

Georgia's president is just like Ron Paul on economic issues. He took a corruption-fueled tinpot dictatorship and made it one of the economic powers of the region in less than five years, by implementing the FREE MARKET.

I've seen such ridiculous statements like Putin is fighting the NWO on oil distribution. You do realize that he NATIONALIZED Yukos, which was one of Russia's leading oil producers, and was pumping out millions of barrels a day back in the late 90's (those few years where Russia was actually capaitalist). So, if you agree with that, you must love Chavez's threats to do the same in Venezuela.

Some of you so-called Ron Paul supporters have gone off the deep end.

This movement is about restoring Constitutional priciples to the United States, sound money, and having us take a non-interventionist (neutral) stand in world affairs. It's basically brining back the traditional Republican party. It's not about us turning our backs on evil and praising former KGB officers. Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan are turning over in their graves listening to this pro-Russia tripe come from the majority of so-called Paul supporters.

Russia or Venezuala nationalizing their oil production is of no concern whatsoever to me. That is their business. Not ours.

What right did Cuba have to self determination and to be supplied with nuclear weapons by her allies in Russia?

What right did Iraq and Afghanistan have to self determination? Georgians killed 2000 people in an unprovoked attack and you want us to support this? We don't need any more "democracies" that are allied with our Nazi leaders in their attempt at world domination.
 
Whoever thinks Russia is right hopefully supported Clinton in his bombing of Serbia.

Otherwise, you're a hypocrite.

As for Georgia's "attack" being "unprovoked", I have to laugh. So, it's perfectly okay to shoot at government troops and a minority population?

Everyone needs to understand the situation a little more clearly before anyone accuses anyone of "starting" this. As I have said, this is an ethnic war that's gone on for hundreds of years. They HATE each other.

Show me documented proof of Georgian military killing 2000 civilians, please. I don't doubt for a second that there were innocents killed when Georgia moved in to quell a disturbance. But, I highly doubt it was 2000. Human Rights Watch is putting the number killed around 250. And, it's entirely possible that 250 had something to do with the troubles in S. Ossetia.

Look, the Georgians are no angels in this. But, the Russian response hasn't exactly been something anyone should be supporting either.

What would you be saying if the Mexican government started issuing passports to illegals living in South Texas, and the population swelled to a majority. Then, that population claims they should be autonomous from the United States because they really feel like they should be part of Mexico. The illegals form a militia supplied by the Mexican military, and harrass American citizens living in the area. Then, the United States sends in a small detachment to regain law and order. In response, Mexico launches airstrikes at Dallas and Houston, and encourages an uprising in Los Angeles. What would you say then?
 
Do the Georgian people not have the right to self-determination, and have the right to ally with anyone they so choose?

Do the Ossetians not have the right to self-determination? They've been fighting for nearly 20 years (and repeatedly beating the Georgian military) for the right to be free, supported by 95% of their population voting in a referndum - 99% in favor of independence. BUT Georgia thinks that using force will quell the uprising and squash their opinion. The resistance to THAT is what I support. And we all know for a fact now how much input USA has put in to help crush the Ossetians.
 
Whoever thinks Russia is right hopefully supported Clinton in his bombing of Serbia.

Otherwise, you're a hypocrite.

As for Georgia's "attack" being "unprovoked", I have to laugh. So, it's perfectly okay to shoot at government troops and a minority population?

Everyone needs to understand the situation a little more clearly before anyone accuses anyone of "starting" this. As I have said, this is an ethnic war that's gone on for hundreds of years. They HATE each other.

Show me documented proof of Georgian military killing 2000 civilians, please. I don't doubt for a second that there were innocents killed when Georgia moved in to quell a disturbance. But, I highly doubt it was 2000. Human Rights Watch is putting the number killed around 250. And, it's entirely possible that 250 had something to do with the troubles in S. Ossetia.

Look, the Georgians are no angels in this. But, the Russian response hasn't exactly been something anyone should be supporting either.

What would you be saying if the Mexican government started issuing passports to illegals living in South Texas, and the population swelled to a majority. Then, that population claims they should be autonomous from the United States because they really feel like they should be part of Mexico. The illegals form a militia supplied by the Mexican military, and harrass American citizens living in the area. Then, the United States sends in a small detachment to regain law and order. In response, Mexico launches airstrikes at Dallas and Houston, and encourages an uprising in Los Angeles. What would you say then?

My wife is Russian so I happen to have access to "Russia Today"...a Russian TV news channel in English at webtelek.com

I did see evidence of the proof you requested...reports of hundreds of civilians getting killed...reports of Georgian troops shooting mercilessly at civilians...images of the damage Georgian troops left behind, etc.
 
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