10th DWI=Life

[GunnyFreedom]

I see them every single day. One minute they are driving normal and the next they are all over the place. Put em all in prison for life, I deserve to be kept safe!

And those idiots eating Arby sammiches on the road! Give those m'fers the CHAIR!

 

[euphemia]

I agree. Driving is not something people should do while they are distracted. If people were responsible in the first place, we would not have so many laws. It is the nature of government to take responsibility when people refuse to. Libertarians must be responsible if they expect government to butt out.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I agree. Driving is not something people should do while they are distracted. If people were responsible in the first place, we would not have so many laws. It is the nature of government to take responsibility when people refuse to. Libertarians must be responsible if they expect government to butt out.

A crime has only taken place if and when there is a victim. I am all for impairment being used as a multiplier for an existing crime. Accidentally take out a mailbox sober and it's a traffic ticket and pay the victim to make it whole. Intentionally take out a mailbox and it's a misdemeanor and make the victim whole. Take out a mailbox drunk and call it a felony, accidental or otherwise. However, in the realm of "liberty," you simply cannot have a crime when there is no victim.

 

[Origanalist]

I agree. Driving is not something people should do while they are distracted. If people were responsible in the first place, we would not have so many laws. It is the nature of government to take responsibility when people refuse to. Libertarians must be responsible if they expect government to butt out.

Did I just wander into Police 1 by accident?

 

[Origanalist]

A crime has only taken place if and when there is a victim. I am all for impairment being used as a multiplier for an existing crime. Accidentally take out a mailbox sober and it's a traffic ticket and pay the victim to make it whole. Intentionally take out a mailbox and it's a misdemeanor and make the victim whole. Take out a mailbox drunk and call it a felony, accidental or otherwise. However, in the realm of "liberty," you simply cannot have a crime when there is no victim.

I'm not in favor of that either. If you take out a mailbox you take out a mailbox. Pay for it. In your scenario the poor bastard that had two beers will inevitably end up getting a felony.

 

[euphemia]

Did I just wander into Police 1 by accident?

Of course not, but if you want to drive drunk, you need to be able to pay for the damage. I think an insurance company might not look so kindly on it and might deny your claim. Be prepared. Damages are usually about 2.5 times the actual damages.

If you want freedom, you have to be willing to pay when it doesn't work out so well.

 

[otherone]

Accidentally take out a mailbox sober and it's a traffic ticket and pay the victim to make it whole.

That's a civil matter.

 

[tod evans]

Of course not, but if you want to drive drunk, you need to be able to pay for the damage. I think an insurance company might not look so kindly on it and might deny your claim. Be prepared. Damages are usually about 2.5 times the actual damages.

If you want freedom, you have to be willing to pay when it doesn't work out so well.

Fixed that for you.......

Take "drunk" out of the equation.....

There's more blue-hairs cruising these hills on a cornucopia of pharmaceuticals than there are drunks and believe you me they cause a hell of a lot more damage than the booze hounds...

But really any type of distraction can lead to a fatality including and especially a set of gumballs lighting up your mirror when you're doing 75 at night on the interstate..

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I'm not in favor of that either. If you take out a mailbox you take out a mailbox. Pay for it. In your scenario the poor bastard that had two beers will inevitably end up getting a felony.

I didn't actually mean that a drunk mailbox crasher should actually get a felony, I was exaggerating to explain the concept of a multiplier.

 

[Origanalist]

Of course not, but if you want to drive drunk, you need to be able to pay for the damage. I think an insurance company might not look so kindly on it and might deny your claim. Be prepared. Damages are usually about 2.5 times the actual damages.

If you want freedom, you have to be willing to pay when it doesn't work out so well.

OK mom.

 

[Origanalist]

Of course not, but if you want to drive drunk, you need to be able to pay for the damage. I think an insurance company might not look so kindly on it and might deny your claim. Be prepared. Damages are usually about 2.5 times the actual damages.

If you want freedom, you have to be willing to pay when it doesn't work out so well.

How long have you been driving?

 

[tonyaustin]

Moral of the story: Don't drink and drive kids!

Self driving cars cannot come soon enough for some people.

The government and police/courts/prison industrial complex will not want to end the DWI gravy train. They will likely have some sort of rule that you must be prepared at all times to take over from the AI and therefore must not be impaired.

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

The will government and police/courts/prison industrial complex will not want to end the DWI gravy train. They will likely have some sort of rule that you must be prepared at all times to take over from the AI and therefore must not be impaired.

Oh believe me... Every goon agency that exists is dreading the day we all have self-driving cars. The biggest nightmare for the goons is to lose their gravy-train money machine ticket mill. If all the cars drive according to the "rules" they are all out of work!!

 

[tonyaustin]

Oh believe me... Every goon agency that exists is dreading the day we all have self-driving cars. The biggest nightmare for the goons is to lose their gravy-train money machine ticket mill. If all the cars drive according to the "rules" they are all out of work!!

So it won't happen any time soon and I would go as far as to say some jurisdictions will ban it's use.

 

[Origanalist]

How long have you been driving?

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

Sorry but you are wrong. "My right to swing my arms ends at your nose..." This simple statement puts rights and responsibilities into perspective. I have a right to swing my arms but that right ends when I hit your nose (or other parts). As long as I'm not causing harm to persons or property I have a right to do whatever I want. Shoot a gun in a crowded theater? Yes, if I can do it without hurting anyone or any property then I have that right (it would be pretty hard to pull that off). Drive drunk?? I knew many who could drive better drunk than a lot of people I know driving sober. I don't recommend it but as long as you have not hurt anyone then you have that right. You actually have a "right" to do any stupid thing that you want to do. Most of the time people don't do stupid things because some stupid things result in ending your life and most people want to live...

I guess no one wanted to address the above... Oh well, I'll further comment by bringing up a very famous pilot (whom I will not name). If you have spent any time going to airshows 10 to 30 years ago you probably saw him perform. He is one of the greatest pilots to ever live. Although I have only seen him at appearances I volunteer for the Reno Air Races so I rub elbows with many people who know him well. They all have the same report -- He never flew sober... Put that in your "one size fits all pipe and smoke it" rules. The man could fly anything and make those planes do things the designers say they should not be able to do... Probably never flew with blood alcohol levels under .02...

 

[Origanalist]

I guess no one wanted to address the above... Oh well, I'll further comment by bringing up a very famous pilot (whom I will not name). If you have spent any time going to airshows 10 to 30 years ago you probably saw him perform. He is one of the greatest pilots to ever live. Although I have only seen him at appearances I volunteer for the Reno Air Races so I rub elbows with many people who know him well. They all have the same report -- He never flew sober... Put that in your "one size fits all pipe and smoke it" rules. The man could fly anything and make those planes do things the designers say they should not be able to do... Probably never flew with blood alcohol levels under .02...

I think nobody addressed it because most of us agree.