10th DWI=Life

That sounds like a nice utopia. A problem being no-one else is ever held accountable when people get killed by drunk drivers.

When there is someone dead there is a crime. When there is a crime there should be justice.

I believe driving impaired is an act of aggression against people.

Giving someone the middle finger and telling them to, 'fuck off' is an act of aggression. That doesn't make it a crime.

I believe you drive past drunks on a daily basis and nothing ever happens... then every once in while 1 out of 100 drunk drivers gets pulled over and made an example of by the nanny state.
 
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Keep him off the streets before he kills some innocent folks.

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No wrecks? Guy sounds like a professional to me and should be teaching courses. Of course with the push for .05 BAC many will be racking up multiples soon. Watched a distracted (texting) driver almost rear end someone last week. She had to whip off the road and destroyed a mailbox. I suppose her phone records and GPS should be looked into and if there were more than 10 violations of texting while driving she should be given a life sentence.
 
There is a whole bunch of people calling for the nanny state to protect them going on here for a liberty forum.

and at the same time, as usual the liberty folk pretend to be obtuse when its actually a difficult situation with no right answer. they argue that we should wait until he kills someone before doing anything about him driving impaired and that just doesn't jive with reality. I dont' think life in prison is the answer, but doing nothing cuz he hasn't killed anybody yet isn't the right answer either.
 
No wrecks? Guy sounds like a professional to me and should be teaching courses. Of course with the push for .05 BAC many will be racking up multiples soon. Watched a distracted (texting) driver almost rear end someone last week. She had to whip off the road and destroyed a mailbox. I suppose her phone records and GPS should be looked into and if there were more than 10 violations of texting while driving she should be given a life sentence.

I see them every single day. One minute they are driving normal and the next they are all over the place. Put em all in prison for life, I deserve to be kept safe!
 
they argue that we should wait until he kills someone before doing anything about him driving impaired and that just doesn't jive with reality.

If you feel that way you should go to your local bar and preach next Friday... else you're just being a baby in a crib crying for nanny.

State enforcement of morality is NOT THE ANSWER.

Sticking this guy in a cage for the non crime of a dui is no different than ISIS cutting off your head for kissing a girl in public. Depending on your worldview, and the weathervane of political power, both are equally "immoral acts of aggression".


libertarians recognize that there’s no way to allow government to control morality while keeping it constrained on other matters. Hunter lamented libertarians’ deprioritization of “individual responsibility (and) limited government,” but conservatives who argue that government should be empowered to stop people from making immoral decisions must reconcile that position with their belief that government should be strictly limited. Exactly how government is to be, on the one hand, powerful enough to halt a wide swath of immoral activity and, on the other, limited enough to not intrude on other freedoms is unclear. It is easy to see how quickly this idea unravels any design at limiting government to any meaningful degree.

The State is Immoral

Beyond this, state involvement in morality poses another problem, because the state tends to corrupt rather than propel morality. What politicizing moral issues ultimately accomplishes is the state’s acquisition of the power to define what is and isn’t moral. Even worse, it allows the state to use its violent and coercive powers to enforce these definitions.

This might seem appealing at first blush, but it can only remain so as long as the state’s definition of morality is on your side. What happens, however, if the people in power change their mind about what is moral, or if people with different conceptions of morality ascend to power? Suddenly all that political power to define and enforce morality is turned against you.
http://www.thegreatfiction.com/2015...-the-state-morality-in-a-libertarian-society/
 
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The Principles of Liberty

The initiation of force to take life is murder

Impairment meaning loss of control of ones actions. To do this voluntarily and get behind the wheel is initiation of force? I say yes.

If you seek impairment and loss of control, you have the option of staying home and not bothering anyone.

Additionally for someone who seeks impairment and loss of control of ones actions, can they be said to retain self-ownership? I say no.

What do we do with people that subvert these principles?

Specs is right. This has probably been debated ad nauseam multiple times without agreement. Sigh...
 
The conservative movement, to which I subscribe, has as one of its basic tenets the belief that government should stay out of people's private lives. Government governs best when it governs least - and stays out of the impossible task of legislating morality.
-Barry Goldwater
 
It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.
-Robert A. Heinlein
 
This has probably been debated ad nauseam multiple times without agreement. Sigh...

Don't you worry none. In another 20 yrs. autonomous cars will be mandated to subvert the "privilege" of travel. Then everyone will be safe. Of course you will still have to blow in a breathalyzer to start the damn thing...because children.
 
Impairment meaning loss of control of ones actions. To do this voluntarily and get behind the wheel is initiation of force? I say yes.

If you seek impairment and loss of control, you have the option of staying home and not bothering anyone.

Additionally for someone who seeks impairment and loss of control of ones actions, can they be said to retain self-ownership? I say no.

What do we do with people that subvert these principles?

Specs is right. This has probably been debated ad nauseam multiple times without agreement. Sigh...

Will you argue as vehemently for those impaired by other issues?

Drowsiness actually causes more traffic injuries than alcohol.

I'm calling you out on being a member of the politically correct morality police, shame on you. :mad:
 
Drowsiness actually causes more traffic injuries than alcohol.

Don't worry that can be fixed. We can mandate electronic sleep monitors for those seeking the driving privilege. The technology is already there. We can make it so you get 100 miles per 30 minutes of electronically documented REM. That will solve it.
 
That sounds like a nice utopia. A problem being no-one else is ever held accountable when people get killed by drunk drivers.

NO one said that. you made it up out of your own cowardly fear.

the rest of your post is just more fecal matter from the same orifice.

You do not understand the first thing about liberty ,, if you will take a mans life based solely on your fears.

like a fucking cop that shoots and naked and unarmed man because he is scared.
 
Will you argue as vehemently for those impaired by other issues?

Drowsiness actually causes more traffic injuries than alcohol.

I'm calling you out on being a member of the politically correct morality police, shame on you. :mad:

Age, physical disability (my father in law was crippled and drove like a fucking maniac), prescription drugs, kids (a screaming baby's an impairment)....
 
Impairment meaning loss of control of ones actions. To do this voluntarily and get behind the wheel is initiation of force? I say yes.

Likewise getting drunk in the company of the opposite sex is the initiation of rape, no doubt.
 
Whats going on here? Just a bunch of sarcastic posts. I'll see myself out thanks. I wish you all well.

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if you will take a mans life based solely on your fears.

wtf that same post of mine says don't take the mans life. Bite me.
 
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