10/3/13 Records: Paul Aide Gave Iowa Senator $25K Check

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Hopefully that'll be the nail in the coffin for Benton's political future. I've never trusted that guy as far as I could throw him but also didn't realize he was in this so deep.

Rand better pick someone else to head any future campaigns.
 
Hopefully that'll be the nail in the coffin for Benton's political future. I've never trusted that guy as far as I could throw him but also didn't realize he was in this so deep.

Rand better pick someone else to head any future campaigns.

How do we know Rand didn't know about this either though? For all we know, they all did. Rand was involved in asking supporters to donate money to Ron Paul 2012, then abandoned those same supporters when he went on national television and endorsed Mitt Romney for a speaking slot at the RNC.
 
Perhaps there was an agreement not to cash the check unless Ron won the caucus. I'm pretty sure we'll never know.

Remember, Ron endorsed him for his senate race, and he abandoned him for Bachmann. I would've been very hesitant to pursue his support after that kind of betrayal. But hindsight is 20/20. We all thought Ron would win at the time.
Huh? Even though the Bachmann campaign paid this guy very well, he turned on her and supported the Paul campaign when it started paying him. We both agree that he is obviously untrustworthy but you have the details backwards.
 
The Campaign was effectively over at that point, remember?

No, the campaign was effectively over when it agreed to help Mitt Romney win the nomination back in January, maybe even before Iowa? So, for all of February, March, April, and into May when they were asking (see: LYING to) supporters for more donations, it was all smoke-and-mirrors...so Ron Paul could drop out and start Ron Paul Channel and charge money for it?

But, if we're talking about the actual endorsement, that doesn't change the fact Rand Paul lied about Mitt Romney's position on the Federal Reserve in his national TV endorsement either. Then, the campaign website, RonPaul2012.com, was used to allow a campaign staffer to defend Rand Paul's lying endorsement of Mitt Romney. MITT ROMNEY. RonPaul2012, was USED to defend an endorsement of MITT ROMNEY.

Since when does RonPaul2012.com, A PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN WEBSITE, get used to defend an endorsement of Mitt Romney? Oh, I guess when they are trying to keep the smoke-and-mirror game going and get people to Florida for a rally?

The whole thing was a fraud and a scam, when they agreed to help Mitt Romney win the nomination.

Who cares about corruption in government, when you have corruption in your own "liberty" campaign? Hypocrites, at all levels really.
 
The question I have remaining that the article didn't answer: WHO is investigating, and WHY?
 
The question I have remaining that the article didn't answer: WHO is investigating, and WHY?

There was an article that mentioned it, I'll look for it and link it if I can find it. The investigator (I think a private one) had filed something like a 500 page report on it? Don't quote me on that, until I find the link...

*goes off searching for a few minutes...

UPDATE:
Found one:
http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/...n-his-denials-may-constitute-a-felony/article

It was an independent investigator that helped investigate stuff on it, and helped filed a 566 page report.

Also, I'm kind of wondering if Ron Paul supporters that donated to the campaign can complain to the FEC to investigate the $70+ thousand in wire transfers Sorenson received...

I mean, Ron Paul went to the United Nations because he didn't want to actually pay for a domain name, and tried to get them to strong arm it away from the owners...why not have the campaign investigated for dishonesty? I think that's what Ron Paul would want, right? Use the government and its agencies when it MIGHT benefit you? Because actually being honest with supporters and people you keep begging for donations is a bit much I guess.

Apparently from THIS investigation that focused mainly on the Bachmann campaign issues, they found the $70+ thousand in wire transfers, but didn't find where they really originated.
 
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No, the campaign was effectively over when it agreed to help Mitt Romney win the nomination back in January, maybe even before Iowa?
Nope, blatant false statement. Now you're making stuff up. Funny that you accuse others of lying when you are doing the same.

So, for all of February, March, April, and into May when they were asking (see: LYING to) supporters for more donations, it was all smoke-and-mirrors...
Not at all, money was still needed to continue operations so that Ron could acquire as many delegates as possible.

Rand Paul lied about Mitt Romney's position on the Federal Reserve in his national TV endorsement either.
huh, lolwut? :rolleyes:




The whole thing was a fraud and a scam, when they agreed to help Mitt Romney win the nomination.
You're free to believe what you want, regardless of facts.
 
Nope, blatant false statement. Now you're making stuff up. Funny that you accuse others of lying when you are doing the same.

Not at all, money was still needed to continue operations so that Ron could acquire as many delegates as possible.

huh, lolwut? :rolleyes:

You're free to believe what you want, regardless of facts.

I'm not making anything up, you have a clear history of defending the lying actions of the campaign and not answering legitimate questions, not me.

According to Doug Wead, and THE VERY ACTIONS of Ron Paul 2012, they agreed to help Mitt Romney win the nomination. It's why they attacked Rick Santorum in Michigan, helping MITT ROMNEY win the state. Instead of attacking Mitt Romney, helping Rick Santorum win the state which would have furthered the brokered convention idea.

Ron Paul 2012 ended with more than a million cash-on-hand, and still has more than a million cash-on-hand. Why the crap did Ron Paul need delegates? So he could throw them under Mitt Romney's bus with Rand's endorsement?!

Ron Paul needed delegates because? Because? The campaign actively gave away half the delegates in Louisiana making sure there was no brokered convention. So, after Ron Paul supporters WASTED...yes, WASTED...their time/money to become delegates, Jesse Benton and crew made sure they wouldn't be an issue at the convention so Rand could have a speech...that nobody even remembers or cares about? CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!

$40+ million dollars WASTED DOWN THE FREAKING DRAIN because of dishonest people in a "liberty campaign" helping Mitt Romney win the nomination. Now, are you still selling dinner tickets? I might want to buy a few hundred so I can learn to help ANOTHER candidate win the nomination, at the expense of MY SUPPORTERS.

Here's Doug Wead saying the campaign agreed to not attack Mitt Romney before/going into Michigan:

http://youtu.be/wbrUPtwIKuk?t=15m20s (Link starts where he talks about not attacking Romney, not sure if embed is/isn't working properly, not showing up right now on my side.

And my text from a post over 2 months ago shows why attacking Mitt Romney and helping Rick Santorum in a few states was very important IF the campaign was actually going for a brokered convention strategy:
"Here are the vote totals for candidates that had won the popular votes in states up until the Michigan and Arizona vote on February 28th (not counting Iowa since it ended in basically a tie for Romney and Santorum):
Mitt Romney had won 4 primaries/caucuses (New Hampshire, Florida, Nevada, Maine).
Rick Santorum had won 3 primaries/caucuses (Colorado, Missouri, Minnesota).
Newt Gingrich had won 1 primary/caucus (South Carolina).
Ron Paul 0.

Again, this is not delegate counts, but the popular vote as reported by the media.

It should be noted here, that Ron Paul lost Maine, by 2% points. Ron Paul 2012 never ran a single attack ad against only Romney in the state, and it was Ron's first chance outside of Iowa to really upset the apple cart with the popular vote totals reported by the media. Ron Paul 2012 had already run attack ads against just Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich, and Rick Santorum, but NONE for just Romney.

Then, on February 28th, Mitt Romney won both Arizona and Michigan. Barely getting a victory over Rick Santorum in Michigan, by 3%, thanks in part to Ron Paul 2012 helping attack Rick Santorum with campaign funds running a TV attack ad against him.

With Romney winning both states on February 28th, that brought his total state victories to 6:
Romney - 6 states (New Hampshire, Florida, Nevada, Maine, Arizona, Michigan)
Santorum - 3 states (Colorado, Missouri, Minnesota)
Gingrich - 1 state (South Carolina)
Paul - 0 states

What was after that?
Wyoming's might have swung to Santorum, because he lost it only by 7% to Romney. Wyoming's is a weird one though, spread over a period of time not just one day from what I'm looking at (apparently something like Maine).
Then on March 3rd there was Washington, and Romney won that one with 38% of the vote to Ron Paul's 25% and Rick Santorum's 24%.

So, before Super Tuesday happened, this was is what the state totals were:
Mitt Romney - 8 (New Hampshire, Florida, Nevada, Maine, Arizona, Michigan, Wyoming, and Washington)
Rick Santorum - 3 (Colorado, Missouri, Minnesota)
Newt Gingrich - 1 (South Carolina)
Ron Paul - 0

Then after Super Tuesday, which had 10 states voting, the results were:
Romney - 14 (picked up Alaska, Idaho, Massachusetts, Ohio, Vermont, and Virginia)
Santorum - 6 (picked up North Dakota, Oklahoma, and Tennessee)
Gingrich - 2 (picking up Georgia)
Ron Paul - 0

Why did Romney win the nomination? Because Ron Paul 2012 never ran a single attack ad against only him, in any state, trying to cause a brokered convention. Ron Paul 2012 helped Mitt Romney defeat Rick Santorum in Michigan, which gave Romney momentum, and taking momentum away from Santorum.

Had Romney lost Michigan to Santorum, Super Tuesday would have been an absolute massacre between Romney and Santorum with attack ads, because of how close the race would have still been.
Romney was pretty much guaranteed only a few wins on Super Tuesday, even if he had lost Michigan:
Idaho and Massachusetts

Newt Gingrich would have probably still won Georgia, and been the only state he grabbed that day like normal.

Rick Santorum though? He picked up North Dakota, Oklahoma, and Tennessee. Those were his only three. He could have probably picked up Alaska, which he lost by 4% points, if Romney had lost Michigan.
Santorum probably would have picked up Ohio as well, because he lost that one by 1% point.

The whole thing would have fallen apart and been a complete mess (brokered convention) if Ron Paul 2012 had not helped Mitt Romney win Michigan. OR, at the very least, tried to help Rick Santorum beat Mitt Romney in states like Ohio and Alaska on Super Tuesday with some attack ads.

Oh, and while Romney was having to spend money on Super Tuesday trying to destroy Rick Santorum in states, that would have given Ron Paul 2012 a chance to try and actually win Virginia. Causing more of a headache for Mitt Romney, especially if Newt and Santorum helped in any significant fashion.

Instead, the campaign helped Mitt Romney by never attacking only him in any state, like they did Perry, Newt, or Santorum. They agreed to not attack Mitt Romney, because they never did. They never released a single Mitt Romney only attack ad, and repeatedly used events to try and defend him...like they did with their Etch-A-Sketch ad making fun of Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich instead.

Then again, anybody that has spent more than 5 minutes doing electoral work would have known and seen this immediately...and despite some of us calling/emailing and basically yelling and screaming for Ron Paul 2012 to attack Mitt Romney in a specific way, they didn't care or listen. They just wanted to drag supporters along, and act like they were serious, to keep on getting donations. Sadly, they apparently were more serious about helping Mitt Romney win the nomination without any waves, and getting Rand a speaking slot at the convention."

So, Ron Paul 2012 couldn't attack only Mitt Romney, and instead chose to kiss the ring on his hand while begging supporters for "more more more" only to throw some of those very supporters under the Mitt Romney bus and COMPLETELY waste their time/money on becoming delegates in some states. Apparently though, they thought it was smart to funnel funds under the table to Kent Sorenson. Political, GENIUSES!

When Ron Paul supporters and delegates were trying to round up funds to get to Florida, the campaign was sitting on a million plus CASH...and still has it. Completely dishonest from the moment they agreed to not attack Mitt Romney and instead help him win the nomination without any waves at the RNC so Rand could get a speech.

If I don't like corruption in my government and a government that lies to me, why would I like it from a campaign?
 
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According to Doug Wead, and THE VERY ACTIONS of Ron Paul 2012, they agreed to help Mitt Romney win the nomination.
Source?


Ron Paul needed delegates because? Because? The campaign actively gave away half the delegates in Louisiana making sure there was no brokered convention.
I cannot speak for what happened in LA, I wasn't there and have no knowledge of it. Although what I have heard was that the RNC just went ahead and chose the non-rump delegates.


$40+ million dollars WASTED DOWN THE FREAKING DRAIN
If you think 2012 was a waste of money and/or time then you are very short sighted and narrow-minded. Just ask Thomas Massie, or AJ Spiker, or the dozens of other elected officials across the country who have come into office or prominence in their Party because of the efforts put forth in 2012.


Don't be so close-minded to think that just because Ron didn't get the nomination that we "lost" in 2012. In fact, if anything, just like 2008 we WON. Ron has an organization and network which has outlasted both his campaigns, and will outlast him. Both of which are the direct result of 2008 and 2012. Neither McCain nor Romney can say that.

Here's Doug Wead saying the campaign agreed to not attack Mitt Romney before/going into Michigan:

http://youtu.be/wbrUPtwIKuk?t=15m20s (Link starts where he talks about not attacking Romney, not sure if embed is/isn't working properly, not showing up right now on my side.

Not attacking =| helping to win the nomination.



Why did Romney win the nomination? Because Ron Paul 2012 never ran a single attack ad against only him, in any state, trying to cause a brokered convention.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/false-cause
Oh, and while Romney was having to spend money on Super Tuesday trying to destroy Rick Santorum in states, that would have given Ron Paul 2012 a chance to try and actually win Virginia. Causing more of a headache for Mitt Romney, especially if Newt and Santorum helped in any significant fashion.

If the rest of your analysis can be tied to this level of thinking, then you're completely incorrect all the way through.


It made zero sense to compete in Virginia. This has been explained over and over again, please try and keep up.



When Ron Paul supporters and delegates were trying to round up funds to get to Florida, the campaign was sitting on a million plus CASH...and still has it.
That's Ron's decision. Besides, the outcome of the convention was already decided by the time we knew who the delegates were. And more to the point, that money will be spent helping other liberty candidates and causes.


Completely dishonest from the moment they agreed to not attack Mitt Romney and instead help him win the nomination without any waves at the RNC so Rand could get a speech.
The more you repeat your lies and untrue statements, it doesn't make them any more true.
 
Source?

I cannot speak for what happened in LA, I wasn't there and have no knowledge of it. Although what I have heard was that the RNC just went ahead and chose the non-rump delegates.

If you think 2012 was a waste of money and/or time then you are very short sighted and narrow-minded. Just ask Thomas Massie, or AJ Spiker, or the dozens of other elected officials across the country who have come into office or prominence in their Party because of the efforts put forth in 2012.

Don't be so close-minded to think that just because Ron didn't get the nomination that we "lost" in 2012. In fact, if anything, just like 2008 we WON. Ron has an organization and network which has outlasted both his campaigns, and will outlast him. Both of which are the direct result of 2008 and 2012. Neither McCain nor Romney can say that.

Not attacking =| helping to win the nomination.

If the rest of your analysis can be tied to this level of thinking, then you're completely incorrect all the way through.

It made zero sense to compete in Virginia. This has been explained over and over again, please try and keep up.

That's Ron's decision. Besides, the outcome of the convention was already decided by the time we knew who the delegates were. And more to the point, that money will be spent helping other liberty candidates and causes.

The more you repeat your lies and untrue statements, it doesn't make them any more true.

Ron Paul 2012 helped Mitt Romney win the nomination by attacking Rick Santorum in Michigan. WHY would Ron Paul 2012 attack Rick Santorum in Michigan, other than to help Mitt Romney win the state? Why? Ron Paul had no chance to win in Michigan, but Rick Santorum did. You can ignore the numbers and facts all day long, which you repeatedly do and tell people to "please keep up" while defending dishonesty, I won't have it though.

I don't have to be close minded to think that "we" lost, I know plenty of Ron Paul supporters first hand that are/were burnt by the 2008 and 2012 campaigns. They are tired of the lies, and "playing the game" to help get candidates like Mitch McConnell reelected.

What good is a supposed "organization", when you are having to endorse candidates like Mitch McConnell? I think that shows anybody that is paying attention, the power of this supposed "organization" Ron Paul built in 2008 and 2012. Such a good organization to sit on the sidelines silently, and go along to get along...for nothing. Literally, for nothing. $40+ million raised in 2012, and fewer votes than Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich. Very effective and awesome campaign...NOT.

There COULD have been a great organization, unfortunately, most involved appear to have been run over by the Mitt Romney 2012 campaign bus as it was pulling away from Florida with Rand on board cheering, and Ron using campaign funds to fly out of of Florida a private jet. While grassroots supporters were trying to raise funds to get to Florida, for a movement betrayed by the very people that were supposed to be behind the supporters.

And again, let me address this that you keep claiming:
"It made zero sense to compete in Virginia. This has been explained over and over again, please try and keep up."

IF it made zero sense to compete in Virginia, the first one-on-one state where it was Ron Paul vs. Mitt Romney and there were Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum supporters trying to help Ron Paul win it, WHY DID IT MAKE SENSE TO ATTACK RICK SANTORUM IN MICHIGAN?


It's all bullcrap and dishonesty, and you sit here trying to defend it and FAILING at it miserably. Your defense of a campaign lying to supporters after it agreed to not attack a candidate, but instead help that candidate win by attacking OTHER candidates in states Ron Paul had no chance to win (like Michigan) is amazing. So, I'm sorry if common sense and honesty isn't "keeping up" with your continued defense of a campaign that was lying to supporters repeatedly and asking for donation after donation when they didn't need them. Ron Paul 2012 should have closed shop the day it agreed to not attack Mitt Romney. Holding back information that they had agreed to help Mitt Romney win the nomination at the RNC without causing any waves so Rand could have a speaking slot, giving away delegate slates to the RNC to help ensure a brokered convention WOULDN'T happen, and then ending the campaign with more than a million cash-on-hand and now we find out they were apparently making under the table payments off the FEC records to Kent Sorenson?

The campaign didn't want to try and win Virginia, but it wanted to pay Kent Sorenson $100K...POLITICAL GENIUSES!

The fact Ron Paul ended his campaign and is now running a "Channel" for subscriptions I think shows it isn't about the message or the movement, but more about the money. It's very sad and unfortunate, all for a seat at the rotten table for Rand? Last I checked, Ron Paul 2012 was setup to get Ron Paul elected as President, not this "gimme gimme gimme more donations" for a 2016 hope.

I can't and won't defend a campaign that kept giving supporters false hope, when they had already decided to not attack Mitt Romney and instead help him win the nomination. That is sick, and in all honesty, anybody that donated a dime to the campaign should be given an apology IMO. If not an apology, maybe we can get an FEC investigation instead?
 

Reading and comprehension aren't really what I expect from your posts and replies these days. I mean, you have peddled so many crapping dinner tickets, I'm amazed you actually think anybody is behind you...when you say, "please try and keep up".

I mean, you'll link people to videos and tell people to attend freaking seminars and conferences...but you can't read posts. NO SURPRISE THERE! Another person looking to waste people's time, while asking for money.
Your defense of a lying campaign is really of no surprise. Birds of a feather...

"And again, let me address this that you keep claiming:
'It made zero sense to compete in Virginia. This has been explained over and over again, please try and keep up.'

IF it made zero sense to compete in Virginia, the first one-on-one state where it was Ron Paul vs. Mitt Romney and there were Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum supporters trying to help Ron Paul win it, WHY DID IT MAKE SENSE TO ATTACK RICK SANTORUM IN MICHIGAN?

The campaign didn't want to try and win Virginia, but it wanted to pay Kent Sorenson $100K...POLITICAL GENIUSES!"
 
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I don't care, on principle, that they paid him. But it's worth pointing out that those who claim to be the moral-majority religious-right are always corrupt with skeletons in their closet.
 
i think jjdoyle should be banned

LOL! Can't address the topics, so kill 'em with a drone strike. Very "liberty" minded of you, and thanks for adding to the topic and addressing the points brought up so far. Would you like to make another donation? I guess just another salesman disappointed by the facts the campaign was dishonest with supporters? You still trying to peddle stuff by Ramit Sethi?

I don't, but he should quit spouting off lies.
Other than you repeatedly defending a campaign that lied to supporters repeatedly, I have at least backed up what I said with facts and history.

Ron Paul 2012 helped Mitt Romney win the nomination, by repeatedly attacking Rick Santorum in states Rick Santorum could have won, like Michigan. Or, by wasting funds attacking Rick Santorum in a state Ron Paul had NO CHANCE of winning, like South Carolina. So, Ron Paul 2012 couldn't win Michigan, but helped Mitt Romney win it by attacking Rick Santorum there.
Ron Paul 2012 couldn't win South Carolina, but attacked Rick Santorum there.
Ron Paul 2012 actually had a better chance of winning Virginia, the first one-vs-one state for Ron Paul. If they had gotten the Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum voters out, which some Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich voters did attempt for Ron Paul 2012...but Ron Paul 2012 couldn't find a dime to spend in the state to even let the voters know he was serious about winning. But, it could find $70K+ to pay to Kent Sorenson under the table?

Considering that I know people, still, that worked within the campaign...some DEEP in the campaign, you have no clue what you're talking about when you sit here and say they didn't help Mitt Romney win the nomination, and kept that information from the supporters.

So, Matt Collins calls members slow, calls other members liars...and is still around because he peddles conferences? Some people point out the obvious campaign lies/issues, with a history of emails, videos, and actions to back them up....and there are no answers for this. We can't move forward with this level of corruption in our own ranks, unless of course we don't care about the message or the movement.
 
I remember watching a video of Sorenson speaking at LPAC and I was very impressed. This is pretty bad news. His political future is ruined (he was considering a U.S. Senate run), but he has no one but himself to blame for it.
 
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