1 in 4 Americans unaware that Earth circles Sun

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

They need 18,000 hours of forced attendance. 17,000 isn't doing the job.

I mean, what kind of world would we live in if people did not know that the earth is not stationary in place with the sun revolving around it?

Truth be told, I'd sooner travel to a time where they did not know that the earth revolves around an ever traveling sun so long as they appreciated human rights.

I get that it illustrates how uneducated the voting populace may be but let's be real: who practically needs to know this piece of information? Or is just a means so that the as-uneducated can feel superior about their mediocre intelligence. "Look at those stupid 25%ers. They aint even know the earf revolve around the sun!" GTFOH. It's probably why grammar nazis and their ilk annoy me as they do. I'll take a society that can't add, so long as they understand natural law, before I take a society of "geniuses" who think rights come from a majority's say so. And it isn't even as if those who know this fact are even geniuses. No doubt they don't know other meaningless trivia... If they knew morality, we'd get along just fine.

grammar nazis are the worst, and a lot of them typically make the most COMMON of mistakes, like getting "its" and "it's" mixed up. "It's" isn't a possessive. I even see that mistake in movie subtitles, video games, books, news articles, and elsewhere

 

[Origanalist]

You know what's really funny? a year from now everything we have written and discussed here will be gone if the model continues. Seems like kind of a waste of time, doesn't it? So many times we spend a great deal of time discussing something and then eventually the entirety of the discussion and all of the data gathering and forward moton is lost because of some dumb ass web storage setting. And then, we have to start the whole thing back over again whenever the question comes up again. Assuming, of course, the new version of the old question places into relevance the knowledge attained from the old discussion. Which it rarely does.

It's a hoot alright. I was actually reminded of this phenomenon in the astroid thread that CJ started in the science and tech section a bit ago.

People forget, knowledge is lost, rinse-repeat.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

You know what's really funny? a year from now everything we have written and discussed here will be gone if the model continues. Seems like kind of a waste of time, doesn't it? So many times we spend a great deal of time discussing something and then eventually the entirety of the discussion and all of the data gathering and forward moton is lost because of some dumb ass web storage setting. And then, we have to start the whole thing back over again whenever the question comes up again. Assuming, of course, the new version of the old question places into relevance the knowledge attained from the old discussion. Which it rarely does.

It's a hoot alright. I was actually reminded of this phenomenon in the astroid thread that CJ started in the science and tech section a bit ago.

I wish everything I posted from a year ago was gone.

Truth be told, anything you type on this medium is stored and is being stored. If need be, it will be used against you.

I'm of the thought that I've already said some shit I probably shouldn't have, and some things will surely be more intentionally misrepresented than they are already by some here, so "meh."

Fuck em.

It's a shame the science and tech subforum didn't come sooner. Then people, like that anarchist Originalist, wouldn't duplicate threads and post them where they don't belong. I mean, it's as if he has utter contempt for the law. Someone report him. His contempt here is evidence of something.

 

[Origanalist]

I wish everything I posted from a year ago was gone.

Truth be told, anything you type on this medium is stored and is being stored. If need be, it will be used against you.

I'm of the thought that I've already said some shit I probably shouldn't have, and some things will surely be more intentionally misrepresented than they are already by some here, so "meh."

Fuck em.

It's a shame the science and tech subforum didn't come sooner. Then people, like that anarchist Originalist, wouldn't duplicate threads and post them where they don't belong. I mean, it's as if he has utter contempt for the law. Someone report him. His contempt here is evidence of something.

Ummmmm.....thank you?

 

[Natural Citizen]

It's a shame the science and tech subforum didn't come sooner.

Well...it's not working out like I had hoped it would. It isn't set up right. Whatever though. O is OK in my book. Even if he did just tell me that he reads each and every post in each and every thread the other day.

I look at it like this though regarding the latter of your post. Don't ever say anything that you wouldn't be perfectly comfortable saying in a court room or other relevant place and all is well.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

grammar nazis are the worst, and a lot of them typically make the most COMMON of mistakes, like getting "its" and "it's" mixed up. "It's" isn't a possessive. I even see that mistake in movie subtitles, video games, books, news articles, and elsewhere

You did not properly punctuate the end of your last sentence.

 

[Natural Citizen]

People forget, knowledge is lost, rinse-repeat.

Yep. I edited that entire post after a bit of thought though. Knowing that a year from now it will have disappeared anyhow is a sign that my hypocrisy is an open range.

 

[Natural Citizen]

You know, come to think of it, O, the thread works beautifully with the education freedom sub forum considering the way the discussion went now. Hm. Go figger.

Heh. Now watch it get moved to hot topics or open discussion or something. That'll be a hoot.

 

[Origanalist]

You know, come to think of it, O, the thread works beautifully with the education freedom sub forum considering the way the discussion went now. Hm. Go figger.

Heh. Now watch it get moved to hot topics or open discussion or something. That'll be a hoot.

Feverishly trying to figure out a post to get it moved.......

 

[RickyJ]

It is not a true circle around the Sun, so it could be they are just really smart.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Feverishly trying to figure out a post to get it moved.......

It's good where it's at now. At least I think so. If you're forced to forget because the list that serves as the mechanism to recall where you have been and what you have learned isn't compatible with the map that leads the way then you have no true freedom to teach and no practical sense of direction. And so others aren't truly free to learn and pass on what you have shown them in any synergetic way either. And all because of some dumb old web site setting.

I had actually considered this when I first joined. I should probably kick myself in the ass come to think of it. And it's not just here, it's any place on the web community that the phenomenon exists. Am reminded of why Industrial Age logic cannot survive in the Information Age. The only way that it can is if there are specific rules that allow it to dictate it's own relevance. Oh well. I suppose that I'm just thinking out loud.

The ancients did it the right way. Everything was written in stone. And so what they knew and their way of life, both positive and negative will live forever. And others who follow will see it.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

...who practically needs to know this piece of information? Or is just a means so that the as-uneducated can feel superior about their mediocre intelligence.

I'm a little elitist, so I'm probably in that superior category. Sometimes however, there is a distinction between ivory tower knowing and knowing something for practicality's sake. I was using a globe and a model plane the other day to show somebody why you might see nothing but daylight when flying half way around the world in a 20 hour flight. Maybe it was just for curiosity's sake because most people would not even need to formulate such things in every day living.

Examples like this however, might get to the heart of a person's problem solving ability. History is deemed irrelevant by many, until we cite that saying about history being doomed to repeat itself in debating a current issue. Grammar Nazism might be a superior activity; however, people dismissing the importance of written communication sometimes fail to recognize that quality communication might win them a job or a grant. I do contract work and readily dismiss people who can't succinctly and efficiently demonstrate what they need in a project. I'm sure some elitism is coming through, but it's more often the case that I can't waste time. It's also a great screener: the people with poor communication skills often have poorly formulated plans for their business endeavors. I realize too, that a lot of this is very different from forum postings, but I'm less likely to read a post that is poorly constructed (e.g., one long paragraph).

I'm generally with you on this, but it just seems that problem-solving ability is so lacking in our society. That is why people leave things to government so often. It's why people never understand how freedom stands on its own. They never seem to get that introducing one "problem-solving" activity only leads to more problems, and gets us further from freedom.

 

[RickyJ]

That it is likely attributed to the intended context of the question being posed or perspective of the person being asked; to clarify:

1. Technically over the course of 24-hours the sun does circle once around the earth.

No, the Sun doesn't ever circle around the Earth, the Earth rotates on its axis as it is revolving around the Sun.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Ummmmm.....thank you?

Just being a patriot is all.

 

[Natural Citizen]

wtf lol

Well. Here's the nutshell.....

Take the first vid in this thread and then place it into perspective with the larger model shown here. Bada bing.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

I'm a little elitist, so I'm probably in that superior category. Sometimes however, there is a distinction between ivory tower knowing and knowing something for practicality's sake. I was using a globe and a model plane the other day to show somebody why you might see nothing but daylight when flying half way around the world in a 20 hour flight. Maybe it was just for curiosity's sake because most people would not even need to formulate such things in every day living.

Examples like this however, might get to the heart of a person's problem solving ability. History is deemed irrelevant by many, until we cite that saying about history being doomed to repeat itself in debating a current issue. Grammar Nazism might be a superior activity; however, people dismissing the importance of written communication sometimes fail to recognize that quality communication might win them a job or a grant. I do contract work and readily dismiss people who can't succinctly and efficiently demonstrate what they need in a project. I'm sure some elitism is coming through, but it's more often the case that I can't waste time. It's also a great screener: the people with poor communication skills often have poorly formulated plans for their business endeavors. I realize too, that a lot of this is very different from forum postings, but I'm less likely to read a post that is poorly constructed (e.g., one long paragraph).

I'm generally with you on this, but it just seems that problem-solving ability is so lacking in our society. That is why people leave things to government so often. It's why people never understand how freedom stands on its own. They never seem to get that introducing one "problem-solving" activity only leads to more problems, and gets us further from freedom.

I definitely understand the need to be able to communicate within a given forum but I see posts with great substance responded to with a simple asterisk documenting a simple error or typo. Eduardo is a big one for that so I made a point earlier to correct one of his misspellings of a word (I'm super-duper smart that way, lol). Here, so long as it is known what is being referred to, grammar doesn't particularly matter. I actually type more correctly than I speak though I make corrections to my urban dialect given a said forum.

The difference is notable here, on who actually has an argument of substance rather than nitpicking little things as a means to avoid discussing the point of a given post.

I do agree though, that the level of which the average person can hold a conversation is a little disconcerting. They know every football stat from 1946 to now but can't hold a logical conversation regarding the legitimate role of government. Or more than likely, they don't care. I'm preaching to the choir but frankly, the effect of propaganda, studied for decades, has finally been realized. People are bought and sold and love it. This is the brave new world. It doesn't take a dystopian prophet to recognize the direction we are headed.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I have this kind of sadistic thing that I do. Sometimes if I know full well that whomever is debating me relentlessly has no ground to stand on and no matter what they say just to keep the argument going, they'll still lose in the end, what I do is give them an easy out in a way in which they feel empowered. I'll spell some things wrong or punctuate wrong on purpose just so they have some self fullfilling means of feeling like they won by pointing out my errors. It's a humane way to end those kinds of gripes, I think. Once they correct you it's as if they have the "yeah, I showed him" power and it's an easy out at that point for them without having to carry on the debate that they knew they were destined to lose anyhow but were just arguing for glory's sake. It's silly, I know, but the human ego is a powerful thing.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

KC Chief,

I was wondering if formal educational attainment is correlated with attitudes regarding freedom. I might guess that it is not correlated. People with doctorates are probably just as big government as the high school dropout. Any thoughts on that? (I'm too lazy to look it up.)
I'd bet though, that most people on here have a different idea of valuable education, so maybe my question does not matter.

I really see your point though. I could not care less if somebody knows cultural literacy or whatever the fuq. If it's an either/or, then dumb as rocks with freedom trumps Mensa and big government.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

KC Chief,

I was wondering if formal educational attainment is correlated with attitudes regarding freedom. I might guess that it is not correlated. People with doctorates are probably just as big government as the high school dropout. Any thoughts on that? (I'm too lazy to look it up.)
I'd bet though, that most people on here have a different idea of valuable education, so maybe my question does not matter.

I really see your point though. I could not care less if somebody knows cultural literacy or whatever the fuq. If it's an either/or, then dumb as rocks with freedom trumps Mensa and big government.

Frankly I see the topic of education quite differently than the average, or so I am led to assume. I certainly wouldn't advocate the average person going tens of thousands of dollars into debt as a means to point to said state approved certificate and exclaim "Intelligence!" Book smart doesn't equal common sense, for instance.

I regret, in large part, attending schooling. All A's and in one class the teacher didn't even know my name. And while I knew a few students in the class, they were unaware I was even supposed to be in their class, it had been that many days since I showed up. Some 100 or so. I was just uninterested. As a sophomore, I stayed til the normal 2:30 P.M. leaving early sometimes. As a junior, I couldn't last past 12:00. As a senior they were surprised to see me even though I was only scheduled some 4 hours every other day. It was a joke, I use to walk right out of the front doors.

My de-"education" came later when I heard a message that actually coincided with what I believed. I have devoted countless hours to research since then and have read many books, articles, theses etc. I have educated myself... much more-so than any school or "higher learning" ever did.

I appreciate people having a general understanding of what I am speaking about but am ultimately unconcerned with their level of "intelligence." (What is an I.Q., for example, and why should I consider that to be the sole arbiter of one's intellect?) I would be unconcerned with their intelligence if they did not think rights were granted on majority whim. THAT, of all things, is what I wish to be combated. I don't particularly care about who know certain factual talking points or statistics so long as they recognize Natural Law.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I certainly wouldn't advocate the average person going tens of thousands of dollars into debt as a means to point to said state approved certificate and exclaim "Intelligence!" Book smart doesn't equal common sense, for instance.

Yeah, I would hate to be an 18 year old American, thinking about his prospects and what college will actually get him in a crumbling society.

Guess I was also one of those suckers awed by the knowledge of the PhD on TV. It's sort of funny because all of my in-laws in another country barely have any grade school education. I am however, often in awe of their life skills. They perform such manual skills with all the dexterity and humbleness often lacking in the American. What is really funny is how they are somewhat shy around me because I'm this formally educated American. The area in which they live and its many freedoms are really a pipe dream for people like us.