Maybe I shouldn't have written my post the way I did. Frankly, I'm tired of talking about OTC. I don't mind debating Sola over them because he takes some of their positions yet isn't a jerk (at least not to me) and its occasionally an interesting discussion. But I see no point in discussing them with you or anyone else, its just silly and an unnecessary comparison. For what its worth, Marc Carpenter has said that one particular belief I hold about judging (specifically, not being judgmental enough about Arminians) is more disgusting than child molestation. The man is a moron who occasionally stumbles on something intelligent, like when he wrote about Iraq. With the exception of those occasions when he stumbles on something intelligent, I see no need to discuss him or his group. Again, he's not posting here, Chris Duncan is no longer posting here, and its a deliberate distraction.