Wow! Paul Ryan sounds a lot like Ron Paul

[JohnEngland]

Check out this speech guys, on sound money. Paul Ryan is certainly impressive. The one disagreement I would have is that he sounds supportive of a central bank - though a radically reformed one that is transparent and limited, unlike now.

 

[Agorism]

Did you see his house speeches during the TARP debate where he was begging republicans to vote for it?


He's also a participant in the congressional pension program unlike Ron Paul. He wen to D.C. to get paid and get rich basically.

 

[low preference guy]

Check out this speech guys, on sound money. Paul Ryan is certainly impressive. The one disagreement I would have is that he sounds supportive of a central bank - though a radically reformed one that is transparent and limited, unlike now.

that's typical of Ryan. he tells you he loves capitalism, requires his staffers to read Ayn Rand... and then is a statist on the important issues.

 

[Sola_Fide]

He is one of the many people in government today who still think that a free market in money is "not possible" or "disasterous".

Just a typical central planner/statist with a little bit of capitalists words and phrases...

 

[JohnEngland]

Obviously he's not Ron Paul, but don't you think Congress would be a lot better off with a load of Paul Ryans? He's one of the most influential Republicans today and it's good that he's talking about sound money.

By the way, the book he was referencing seems to be this one:

http://atlasnetwork.org/guidetosoundmoney/

The book references von Mises, so it can't be all that bad

 

[low preference guy]

Obviously he's not Ron Paul, but don't you think Congress would be a lot better off with a load of Paul Ryans? He's one of the most influential Republicans today and it's good that he's talking about sound money.

No. You will have bailouts and also central banks running the monetary system, while their proponents will call themselves capitalists and thus have capitalism blamed for their failures.

 

[specsaregood]

Obviously he's not Ron Paul, but don't you think Congress would be a lot better off with a load of Paul Ryans? He's one of the most influential Republicans today and it's good that he's talking about sound money.

This speech is from this month. Find me something from when the Republicans were in power where he talks like this. Ya know when they were busy doubling the deficits and spending us into the poor house. Thanks in advance.

 

[Agorism]

Obviously he's not Ron Paul, but don't you think Congress would be a lot better off with a load of Paul Ryans? He's one of the most influential Republicans today and it's good that he's talking about sound money.

Actually no I don't. I think we should kick his ass out.

 

[low preference guy]

Actually no I don't. I think we should kick his ass out.

i agree.

 

[sailingaway]

Rhetoric is easy. My verdict is still out on exactly where he fits in, but while I think he is better than Lindsay Graham, I don't think he is near where Ron Paul is. At the moment he seems like an establishment 'stalking horse', sort of the 'tame' fiscal conservative who doesn't rock the boat.

Right now EVERYONE is trying to sound like Ron Paul

On the other hand, guys, he IS trying to cut, rather than expand, spending, so to lump him with the worst isn't right, either. Ron speaks to educate so he always comes out with the GOAL-- be it the end of central planning for the economy or whatever, but he knows he has to deal with reality, and his 'next step' actions can be modest -- so long as they move us towards the philosophical GOAL. If someone is for the next step and the next step and the next step -- even if they aren't for the goal, they are an ally for years, likely.

Rand ran his entire general election campaign speaking about next steps. Given the distance between what we have now and the philosophical GOAL which we will only ever see if there is general support for it, the goal can turn people off and sound crazy radical. Educators like Ron want to fight the battle of ideas, so support for the goal grows. This is great, because moderation is mushy, compromised, and doesn't inspire. However, politicians move more slowly. Still, right now, there are so few politicians actually moving in the right direction, we can't afford to challenge the ones who are -- barring another Ron Paul running in their district.

My big concern is that suddenly they are talking about tax reform, and while I want it,I 'm leery of the bozos we have in congress and the white house now dealing with it, to tell you the honest truth.

 

[Agorism]

 

[Sola_Fide]

Obviously he's not Ron Paul, but don't you think Congress would be a lot better off with a load of Paul Ryans? He's one of the most influential Republicans today and it's good that he's talking about sound money.

By the way, the book he was referencing seems to be this one:

http://atlasnetwork.org/guidetosoundmoney/

The book references von Mises, so it can't be all that bad

Still, I think he is off.

Regulated commodity currencies are not "sound". The issuing power can't be left to central banks. It has to be in the hands of the people where they are regulated by competition and fraud laws.

 

[agar]

Paul Ryan is a PHONY. Why do you think someone so young was fast tracked by the GOP?

He was hand-picked by Newt Gingrich himself to run for Congress. He also studied at the globalist Aspen Institute.

He voted for the massive robbery in history known as "the Bailout" - and, as a result, the Fed now has power to give counterfeit money to Goldman Sachs and foreign Central Banks.

He is also a pro war monger. Stay away from this cheap imitation of Ron Paul.

 

[teacherone]

Two first names goooooooooooooodddddd.

 

[JohnEngland]

Right now EVERYONE is trying to sound like Ron Paul.

I guess this is it. I haven't followed US politics long enough to realise how badly the Republicans let down conservatives and libertarians when they had all the power (though I do know that they did, with things like the Patriot Act, No Child Left Behind etc).

So for now, they talk a good game but, as many of you suggest, it'll be their actions that define them.

 

[rprprs]

Rule of thumb:
No matter how much someome "sounds" like Ron Paul,... they're not.

 

[Bergie Bergeron]

Let Ron Paul himself decide if someone should be worthy of our support. Worked like a charm so far.

 

[jmdrake]

Did you see his house speeches during the TARP debate where he was begging republicans to vote for it?


He's also a participant in the congressional pension program unlike Ron Paul. He wen to D.C. to get paid and get rich basically.

Uggggh! Call me a "single issue voter" I suppose, but I could never support anyone who supported TARP.

 

[erowe1]

I do think Ryan's monetary policy ideas would be an improvement over the status quo. But he also voted for all of the horrendous Republican legislation during the Bush years: No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part D, the Iraq War, TARP, everything. There wasn't a single example on a real major piece of legislation where he was among the minority who stood up against his party's increasing of the size of the government.

 

[sailingaway]

Uggggh! Call me a "single issue voter" I suppose, but I could never support anyone who supported TARP.

Me either, except in a limited, tactical fashion if the alternative was worse. I don't think it is a matter of being a single issue voter; I think TARP was fundamentally immoral, and a blatant breach both of the Constitution and of the social contract, such as there was, in this country. (The last for those who pretend the Constitution itself isn't the social contract.)

TARP is why a lot of social conservatives are looking at neocons with a jaded eye now. And it is why McCain lost. It isn't that there weren't other bad bills, but there is NO moral justification for that one.